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Ohio State 2010/2011 - No way but up.

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Sportsfan1 said:
You cite Rich Rodriguez and Ryan Mallet.
Ryan Mallett chose to leave Michigan and red shirt at the University of Arkansas. Several other players from Michigan left as well after Rodriguez took over. It's a matter of public record.

Perhaps not a full ride for the four years...but ask yourself "how is it divided?" "what is the scholarship offer?"
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Actually I also have connections with Michigan's athletic department as well and despite "public record" inside information is much more accurate and mine came from an assistant AD I know at U of M. Mallett was released by Rodriguez and I simply used that as an example of a new coach releasing a player who he feels won't fit into his scheme of things so why contradict? By the way, I have no respect for Rodriguez.
How scholarship money is divided and how much is given to any one player is a decision made by the head coach and I've never heard open discussion even among players on how much they get. If a player's scholarship is not renewed the school must inform him in writing by July 1st and there is an appeal process. But if you are no longer on the team that does not apply.
 
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Sportsfan1 said:
By cutting these three Canadian players from the team due to "numbers" it has damaged the reputation of the Ohio State University and the NCAA program
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Are you telling me these are the first three Canadian kids ever cut from an NCAA team? :eek:

It really must have done serious damage to OSU's reputation in Canada because they have only received commits from two Canadian kids since they cut these three. If they had kept the terrific trio they might have had three or four Canadian commits by this time.;)

I have no idea why the cuts were made, but I have no desire to throw a new coach under the bus because he felt three players weren't going to contribute. Maybe Oz is just worried about border security and wants to get rid of all international players to keep Columbus safe. Come to think of it - there are no Mexican players on the roster. They must be really offended south of the border.
 
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Draiglight
After weeding my way through the sarcasm of your post, I realize that you have completely missed the point.
Canadian scholarships to Ohio State are worth roughly 4 times the $$ more than US scholarships as they are considered International students.
Dollar for dollar....if you do the math...if two or three Canadians leave and no longer utilize their scholarship it now releases a nice chunk of scholarship money for 2011 recruiting.
As for the Canadians signing on to play at Ohio State...of course they will. As I said...NCAA recruiters and coaches do a great job of selling their package. Unfortunately, it seems that Osiecki and Ohio State are not true to their word about committing to a student athlete for a four year commitment.
Will kids from the US, Canada, and even Mexico continue to commit to Ohio State in the future? Almost certainly. But there will be some that will read something, or hear something about this and perhaps consider another D1 school with a better history of honoring their word. After all the hockey world is very small and word spreads very quickly..
No one is throwing Oseicki under the bus since he hasn't made it to the bus stop yet. If he concentrates on developing the team he currently has and shows an improvement his recruiting drive will ultimately be more successful.
 
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I'd say Oz is most likely not the first coach to cut players after taking over a program but I'm 100% certain OSU's reputation among prospective recruits had taken a number of serious hits under Markell's tenure. John kept himself isolated from his players for the most part and a high percentage of them absoultely despised him after their freshman year. He released a couple of players several years ago, one of them Canadian as well and gave his reasons. However what the kids said about their release was not even close to Markell's version and almost caused a scandal. When you have ****ed off players they tend to know a lot of kids or have younger brothers playing in the juniors and in this day and age word spreads fast. I heard we lost more than a few potential players due to what was floating around out there about what it would be really like if they came and played for OSU.
And I'm sorry Sportsfan1 but I just don't understand where you're coming from about honoring a 4 year commitment when the NCAA says you can't offer one. And since it's now Oz's program what promise did he make that he's not honoring? Like I said before, the NCAA rules are specific on what is binding and what is not. Scholarships are 1 year deals only and it's solely the head coaches decision on whether to renew or not. I think you simply have a difference in perspective from some of us on whether the program has an obligation or the coach and what the difference is between the two.
 
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There are no guarantee's in life unless it's signed in BLOOD. Coach OZ said in one of his first team interviews that there was some upperclassmen that acted like they didn't want to be here. I think it's normal for any sport to trim the fat from the top down. He cut some Senior and Junior players. I don't think he cut them on where they came from , but from previous stats and this years attitude coming into to the new systems. I think he said that some players came back out of shape. As a player you can't come back to training camp out of shape because that sends a bad signal to the Coaching staff. They have records of previous years to compare to, new Coach or not. I also think it sends a strong message to his current players and his future players to be.
I just get a sour stomach just thinking what damage the old Coach Markell has done to a school this size that should be much stronger in the hockey program. Markell didn't rotate his Freshman much last year and just burnt out one Freshmen that didn't put up any points. Now what scares me about Coach OZ is , he's playing most all of his Freshmen and not playing his Sophomore's much. Then next year he will cut some JR's and they didn't even get a chance to prove themselves. I know this season is still early and he has a chance to prove me wrong. I just don't want Coach OZ to make the same mistakes that Markell did. I want Coach OZ to play all his lower class men in a rotation and overplay the ones that stand out. So when he makes cuts next year they will be true cuts on how the players performed. I want Coach OZ and his staff to turn this hockey program around A.S.A.P.

" GO BUCKS GO. "
 
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What I'm trying to do is let hockey players and their families be aware that a commitment to Ohio State and Osiecki as of earlier this month is in fact a yearly tryout.
If you sign on as a student athlete to the hockey team....don't make long term four year plans. Clearly it's now going to be a year to year plan. Always have a back up plan in place.
What I'm trying to do in this forum is let hockey players and their families know that when they go to an information session for the NCAA or if they speak to someone from the NCAA and particularly Ohio State...to ask the right questions.
You speak of some mess that Markell was involved in years ago. No surprise there. The man is a moron. Without knowing the details, I can't really comment except to say that past mistakes don't make this situation right. You say that the reputation of the school and the hockey program suffered then as well.
I do have a different perspective from some of you whether the "program has an obligation or the coach".
If I'm reading what you are saying correctly, it doesn't really matter that Osiecki represents The Ohio State University... and the school's commitment to these athletes means nothing now that he's the new coach. He should be able to do what he wants with the team.
If that's the case, I would be very worried if I were the remaining Juniors, the Sophomores, the Freshmen, and any recruits that signed prior to HIS contract signing this spring.
If he wasn't part of the process....then they are all fair game and may be the next to go because of "numbers" or whatever reason he comes up with.
Not a good feeling in that newly painted locker room I'll bet. Maybe one of the four "C"s that he doesn't really think deserve the letter can help with that.
 
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The Ohio State:
Just a couple of points to make regarding your addition to the forum earlier today. You have your opinions as to why Osiecki made his cuts to the roster. We can agree to disagree however check the stats again from last year. How many games/points did Martell play? Check the roster. Where is he from?

Also in one of the Canadian media interviews with one of the players released stated that all three of the players released by Oseicki stayed at OSU over the summer to work out with the team and OSU Strength and Conditioning staff. This was suggested by Coach Oz to all players during his introductory meeting with the team. Many of the players stayed back and I highly doubt they were the ones not in shape considering the number that returned after a summer at home… Again we can agree to disagree..
 
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Sportsfan1 said:
Maybe one of the four "C"s that he doesn't really think deserve the letter can help with that.
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Not sure what you are driving at with this. Implying that the coach does not agree with the players' choice for one of the captains? How might you know this - insider info? If the coach is so cutthroat why wouldn't he simply say 'No, I do not think that player worthy of being a captain" and not give them a 'C'? :confused:

It totally sucks that some kids got released, but anger and bitterness won't change their situation, and poisoning the well for the 'survivors' is not productive. Just sayin.
 
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Osiecki said in an interview last week that no one on the team has shown leadership. He didn't know that they were going to even pick a Captain for the team as no player had "stepped up".
When the "C"'s were announced on the 15th, Osiecki said "There wasn't a clear-cut choice for our captain after the team vote so we ended up with the four players who will all wear "C"s for us this season.
Either all four "stepped up" in a few short days or not?
 
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Sportsfan1 said:
What I'm trying to do is let hockey players and their families be aware that a commitment to Ohio State and Osiecki as of earlier this month is in fact a yearly tryout.
If you sign on as a student athlete to the hockey team....don't make long term four year plans. Clearly it's now going to be a year to year plan. Always have a back up plan in place.
What I'm trying to do in this forum is let hockey players and their families know that when they go to an information session for the NCAA or if they speak to someone from the NCAA and particularly Ohio State...to ask the right questions.
You speak of some mess that Markell was involved in years ago. No surprise there. The man is a moron. Without knowing the details, I can't really comment except to say that past mistakes don't make this situation right. You say that the reputation of the school and the hockey program suffered then as well.
I do have a different perspective from some of you whether the "program has an obligation or the coach".
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I am not really sure what your point is in all of these posts. Everyone should have to "tryout" every year. Just because you are on the team as a freshman, doesn't mean you should get a pass for the remaining 3 years.

Sounds to me like you have an axe to grind with Oz because of who he cut. If you are just mad, then be mad, but don't ruin it for everyone else who has high hopes for the future!
 
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You are missing the point, The point is that NCAA schools make promises (yes for 4 years) to young hockey players to attend their schools to earn both Degrees and play at a higher level. They promote this as a better way than Jr Hockey because of no trades and no release policies. I have sat in on many NCAA recruiting sessions over the last 12 years and I can assure you that the message is that you will come to our school and play for 4 years.. Yes everyone has to earn their spot in the line up and if you don't measure up then you usually sit. I agree no one gets a "PASS". Yes NCAA rules state that the "contract" is for one year, renewable providing you do not commit criminal acts or fail to maintain academic expectations. I have no axe to grind, I am only making the point that to release three players (albeit Canadians) from the team for what the coach claims to be a numbers issue is not fair to the program and more importantly those players that have been recruited.
Yes I am upset over OSU allowing an inexperienced NCAA Coach to make a decision that will put the program in a bad light.
After the release of one of their prospects/draftee the Nashville Predators will certainly discredit OSU and their program at any opportunity.
I am real sorry if the truth "ruins it" for you. My suggestion is to not read the response or skip past my postings when they come up.
I have as much right to express my displeasure with the School program as the next guy.
 
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Sportsfan1 I certainly agree 100% of your right to your opinion about the program whether it's positive or negative. That's the whole point of forums, not that we all totally agree but to discuss and debate our different opinion and perspectives. Since we all support Ohio State hockey we should not be adversairal to each other and that if someone says something we don't agree with it doesn't automatically make the other guy a jerk ( unless they're a Michigan or Miami fan) lol! And I'm not directing this at you but to everybody who posts on this thread. Go Bucks!!
 
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Dirty Hobbit said:
So what is everyone's guess which former player is "Sportsfan1"?
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Not a former player. Not even close. Just someone who is upset with the way the program's reputation is now in question. How will this affect the team in place for this year? How will this affect future "commitments?"
 
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Sportsfan1 said:
The Ohio State:
Just a couple of points to make regarding your addition to the forum earlier today. You have your opinions as to why Osiecki made his cuts to the roster. We can agree to disagree however check the stats again from last year. How many games/points did Martell play? Check the roster. Where is he from?


Overall: 15-18-6 • Conf: 10-12-6 • Home: 10-7-3 • Away: 4-11-3 • Neut: 1-0-0




OK , Here's last years Freshmen players.

Shots Penalties Goals
# Name GP G A Pts Shots Pct +/- No-Min Min Maj Oth PP SH FG GW Gtg OT HT PN UA Blk

27 Devon Krogh 32 3 6 9 28 .107 +8 5-10 5 0 0 2 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 25

14 Alex Carlson 13 1 1 2 11 .091 0 1-2 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 9

13 Paul Kirtland 21 1 0 1 15 .067 -6 5-10 5 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 7

5 Brandon Martell 7 0 0 0 2 .000 -1 2-4 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2

25 Jeff McNeil 35 0 0 0 8 .000 -4 4-8 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 23

NOTICE: What I'm about to say is nothing personal against any player , it just reflects poor Coaching on old Markell.

Ok , take a look at the D-Men. Krough got ice time and he did very good. Martell didn't get much rotation. Martell is getting more ice time this year so far due to a shortage on D-Men.

Forwards. McNeil got over kill on ice time and didn't put up any points. Kirkland and A. Carlson didn't get that much ice time and put up a few points. Here's a really good example of bad Coaching from last year. Carlson scores in his first game and Markell plays him a few more games. He then sits him mid-season and then plays him again towards the end of the season.

Now, so far Coach OZ is doing the total opposite with this years Freshmen. He's playing mostly all Freshman and not much of the Sophomores. Until Coach OZ and last years Markell learn that if you don't rotate your younger players , your not going to produce a very strong upperclassmen as in JR and SR players. I'm just saying to play your stand outs in the Freshmen and Sophomore's and rotate the others so they become well developed for the future.

" GO BUCKS GO. "
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To: KHD
A parent yes, of one of the "former" players cut,,,,No... Just a Buckeyes fan that takes the time to research the facts before he posts them.... Something that I really doubt you do before you spout off... Everyone on this blog is hoping for a return to a quality Hockey program at OSU. Its unfortunate that its gotten off to a bad start. Hopefully that can be corrected and OSU's reputation in the recruiting process can start to improve.
 
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I don't think we've gotten off to a bad start and as far as recruiting goes that was one of Oz's specialties at Wisconsin but for the real evidence of our current ability to recruit will come in 2 weeks when the first of OZ's NLI's are signed.
 
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The following is from the College Hockey News article about Osiecki:

To put it succinctly: the Buckeyes hockey program and its players may be in for a culture shock. Some of that has already taken place, with some players being let go from the team, albeit with scholarships intact.

If the players were released from the hockey team but kept their scholarships, what's the problem with that and how will this hurt recruiting?
 
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