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Agree with all...including the last sentence. The question of the extent of just what drives Medvedev is very much TBD...yet its good news to see vocal domestic stances that shouldn't be priorities in a strong man dictator situation. IMO it shows the emerging power of Russian public opinion in policy.
Agree with all...including the last sentence. The question of the extent of just what drives Medvedev is very much TBD...yet its good news to see vocal domestic stances that shouldn't be priorities in a strong man dictator situation. IMO it shows the emerging power of Russian public opinion in policy.
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This is me praising Obama: I think that in his public remarks in China, he took just the right tone; and it's a place where his verbal delicacy is most apt:
Now back to our regularly scheduled bashing.
This is me praising Obama: I think that in his public remarks in China, he took just the right tone; and it's a place where his verbal delicacy is most apt:
It seems to me that this kinder, gentler "TEAR DOWN THIS WALL" might be most effective with China and human rights there.
Now back to our regularly scheduled bashing.
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While I still don't think the president's bow-a-rama to HIM in Japan is a big deal, it is interesting to note that another recent american president got whacked in the NYT for APPEARING to bow to this same emperor.
"Former President Clinton got slammed for coming close to bowing to the Japanese emperor in 1994. The New York Times ridiculed him, noting, "The image on the South Lawn was indelible: an obsequent President, and the Emperor of Japan." But the paper wrote that the "thou need not bow" standard in State Department protocol has been constant since the country's founding."P
This incident reminded me (don't ask why) of the March of the Peers from Gilbert and Sullivan's Iolanthe:
Bow, bow ye low and middle classes. Bow, bow ye tradesmen, bow ye masses.
While I still don't think the president's bow-a-rama to HIM in Japan is a big deal, it is interesting to note that another recent american president got whacked in the NYT for APPEARING to bow to this same emperor.
"Former President Clinton got slammed for coming close to bowing to the Japanese emperor in 1994. The New York Times ridiculed him, noting, "The image on the South Lawn was indelible: an obsequent President, and the Emperor of Japan." But the paper wrote that the "thou need not bow" standard in State Department protocol has been constant since the country's founding."P
This incident reminded me (don't ask why) of the March of the Peers from Gilbert and Sullivan's Iolanthe:
Bow, bow ye low and middle classes. Bow, bow ye tradesmen, bow ye masses.
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I'm not the right person to comment on manners or etiquette, but is part of the difference that Clinton was the host, at the White House, while Obama was the guest? I wouldn't know, but I wouldn't be surprised if better-raised, more cosmopolitan folks than me think there's a difference.
Either way, it's all instrumental as far as I'm concerned. It's process. I'd rather look at outcomes. Can Obama serve U.S. interests? If he can, then whatever works (within reason). If he can't, then that's what I'm going to (metaphorically) hit him over the head with.
I'm not the right person to comment on manners or etiquette, but is part of the difference that Clinton was the host, at the White House, while Obama was the guest? I wouldn't know, but I wouldn't be surprised if better-raised, more cosmopolitan folks than me think there's a difference.
Either way, it's all instrumental as far as I'm concerned. It's process. I'd rather look at outcomes. Can Obama serve U.S. interests? If he can, then whatever works (within reason). If he can't, then that's what I'm going to (metaphorically) hit him over the head with.
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Sounds right. Regarding bowgate, the problem for him is that his previous bow to the king of Saudi Arabia was described as "not a bow" by WH flunkies.
And if he were going to render honors to HIM, a simple nod of the head would have sufficed, not his human pretzel imitation.
While, like you, I'm not an expert in these matters, I believe the NYT was concerned about an American president bowing to an emperor. The venue was not uppermost in their minds. I am not optimistic that they will criticize the current president for a much deeper bow.
Sounds right. Regarding bowgate, the problem for him is that his previous bow to the king of Saudi Arabia was described as "not a bow" by WH flunkies.
And if he were going to render honors to HIM, a simple nod of the head would have sufficed, not his human pretzel imitation.
While, like you, I'm not an expert in these matters, I believe the NYT was concerned about an American president bowing to an emperor. The venue was not uppermost in their minds. I am not optimistic that they will criticize the current president for a much deeper bow.
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MSNBC uses photoshopped pics of Palin on a news cast, TF
http://www.mrc.org/biasalert/2009/20091113035138.aspx
MSNBC uses photoshopped pics of Palin on a news cast, TF
http://www.mrc.org/biasalert/2009/20091113035138.aspx
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Why sure, if there aren't real photos that fit your narrative of her being an airhead bimbo, just make some up. To its credit MSNBC has apologized (although these apologies always come after the damage is done).
Ms. Palin gets a better deal than Limbaugh did with his "quotes" about praising James Earl Ray and slavery. Ultimately CNN and others agreed that the "quotes" couldn't be "sourced," and that they shouldn't have aired (repeatedly). But the statements always seemed couched in terms that if these particular racist quotes were made up, there were others out there just as bad. Sort of the Dan Rather explanation, that it didn't matter if the documents were forgeries.
Why sure, if there aren't real photos that fit your narrative of her being an airhead bimbo, just make some up. To its credit MSNBC has apologized (although these apologies always come after the damage is done).
Ms. Palin gets a better deal than Limbaugh did with his "quotes" about praising James Earl Ray and slavery. Ultimately CNN and others agreed that the "quotes" couldn't be "sourced," and that they shouldn't have aired (repeatedly). But the statements always seemed couched in terms that if these particular racist quotes were made up, there were others out there just as bad. Sort of the Dan Rather explanation, that it didn't matter if the documents were forgeries.
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Looks like Obama has changed his mind on another subject:
http://www.breitbart.tv/bombshell-uncovered-obama-statement-ksm-will-get-full-military-trial/
Looks like Obama has changed his mind on another subject:
http://www.breitbart.tv/bombshell-uncovered-obama-statement-ksm-will-get-full-military-trial/
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Didn't Time magazine come under fire for not airbrushing Palin when they put her on the cover during the campaign?
MSNBC just played it extra safe.
What's funny is that I'm sure there's no lack of footage of her looking like an airhead bimbo. This was amplifying for comedic effect. Definitely more appropriate on John Stewart than a news channel. I'd argue there's still a difference between this and using deceptive footage to actually create news (e.g., turning Michelle Bachman's rally from borderline failure into a success), but maybe that's just me.
Didn't Time magazine come under fire for not airbrushing Palin when they put her on the cover during the campaign?
MSNBC just played it extra safe.
What's funny is that I'm sure there's no lack of footage of her looking like an airhead bimbo. This was amplifying for comedic effect. Definitely more appropriate on John Stewart than a news channel. I'd argue there's still a difference between this and using deceptive footage to actually create news (e.g., turning Michelle Bachman's rally from borderline failure into a success), but maybe that's just me.
walrus
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Why can't they report the news as it happens? I know, no money in that so...
Didn't Time magazine come under fire for not airbrushing Palin when they put her on the cover during the campaign?
MSNBC just played it extra safe.
What's funny is that I'm sure there's no lack of footage of her looking like an airhead bimbo. This was amplifying for comedic effect. Probably more appropriate on John Stewart than a news channel. I'd argue there's still a difference between this and actually using deceptive footage to actually create news (e.g., turning Michelle Bachman's rally from borderline failure into a success), but maybe that's just me.
Why can't they report the news as it happens? I know, no money in that so...
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Yup. CNN comes closest, but their ratings are in the toilet.
We should come up with a new word for cable news. There is 2-3 hours of actual news programming - even on Fox and MSNBC. But that's about it. Someone more creative than me can come up with a better label than "cable news."
Yup. CNN comes closest, but their ratings are in the toilet.
We should come up with a new word for cable news. There is 2-3 hours of actual news programming - even on Fox and MSNBC. But that's about it. Someone more creative than me can come up with a better label than "cable news."
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Back in the 70's CBS did a program about "hunger in America," and showed a dead baby to prove its point that children were starving to death. Trouble was, the baby was the child of a Latino doctor in San Antonio who was quite capable of providing nourishment for his child. The baby had died of a cause unrelated to malnutrition.
CBS's response, in a sort of prequel to Dan Rather's "it doesn't matter if the documents are forgeries," claimed "well, yes, THAT baby didn't die of malnutrition, but there are others that do."
The correct response? Find one of those babies and photograph it, assuming you feel the need.
You may recall some years later ABC did a report about an American diplomat (Felix Bloch?) who was thought to be passing secrets to the Soviets. And the story was accompanied by footage showing shadowy figures exchanging brief cases at some rendezvous. The footage was unlabled, so most viewers probably assumed it was actual surveillace footage of Bloch betraying his country. Actually, no, it was "dramatic recreation."
Then there was NBC, wanting to prove that GM's side saddle gas tanks on pickups were fire hazards in crashes. But when the tanks didn't cooperate and burst into flame during NBC's tests, the network helped matters along with explosives. Boy howdy, they burst into flames then.
Real journalists don't use photoshopped pictures to make their point, neither do they use tricky editing to make an event seem more important. A certain amount of bias is inevitable, but we all want to believe that they're making a good faith effort to give us the news, regardless of their personal beliefs.
Back in the 70's CBS did a program about "hunger in America," and showed a dead baby to prove its point that children were starving to death. Trouble was, the baby was the child of a Latino doctor in San Antonio who was quite capable of providing nourishment for his child. The baby had died of a cause unrelated to malnutrition.
CBS's response, in a sort of prequel to Dan Rather's "it doesn't matter if the documents are forgeries," claimed "well, yes, THAT baby didn't die of malnutrition, but there are others that do."
The correct response? Find one of those babies and photograph it, assuming you feel the need.
You may recall some years later ABC did a report about an American diplomat (Felix Bloch?) who was thought to be passing secrets to the Soviets. And the story was accompanied by footage showing shadowy figures exchanging brief cases at some rendezvous. The footage was unlabled, so most viewers probably assumed it was actual surveillace footage of Bloch betraying his country. Actually, no, it was "dramatic recreation."
Then there was NBC, wanting to prove that GM's side saddle gas tanks on pickups were fire hazards in crashes. But when the tanks didn't cooperate and burst into flame during NBC's tests, the network helped matters along with explosives. Boy howdy, they burst into flames then.
Real journalists don't use photoshopped pictures to make their point, neither do they use tricky editing to make an event seem more important. A certain amount of bias is inevitable, but we all want to believe that they're making a good faith effort to give us the news, regardless of their personal beliefs.
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exactly, they don't hand out noble prizes to just anyone nowadays, obviously he accomplished something....... no.... obviously he has a plan for health care... wait not there also, hmmm... well i guess i was wrong with my first statement then.
exactly, they don't hand out noble prizes to just anyone nowadays, obviously he accomplished something....... no.... obviously he has a plan for health care... wait not there also, hmmm... well i guess i was wrong with my first statement then.
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...and was able to maintain operations along with thousands of other American companies that rely on it. No...letting hundreds of thousands of jobs get flushed by failing to support companies like Bank of America would have had the potential for disaster...to a fragile recovery and the government budget via lower revenues due to fewer employed and higher government outlays due to unemployment support. At a different time, failure is acceptable...in 2009, it would have taken the recession to another level. Sorry as with the many poor decisions of the Republican monopoly....'letting them all fail' would have put an exclamation on the recession.
...and was able to maintain operations along with thousands of other American companies that rely on it. No...letting hundreds of thousands of jobs get flushed by failing to support companies like Bank of America would have had the potential for disaster...to a fragile recovery and the government budget via lower revenues due to fewer employed and higher government outlays due to unemployment support. At a different time, failure is acceptable...in 2009, it would have taken the recession to another level. Sorry as with the many poor decisions of the Republican monopoly....'letting them all fail' would have put an exclamation on the recession.
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Its not like that market share would have completely disappeared. Something else woudn't have emerged that would have been stronger moving forward. Whether it be a restructured GM through bankruptcy or other companies (i.e. Ford) who are running more efficiently picking up the slack. Either option is better for the economy as a whole.
Bailouts cost $10K per GM car sold
Obviously this number will go down over time, but it shows how daunting (and doubtful) it will be for the taxpayers to actually get their money back on this.
Its not like that market share would have completely disappeared. Something else woudn't have emerged that would have been stronger moving forward. Whether it be a restructured GM through bankruptcy or other companies (i.e. Ford) who are running more efficiently picking up the slack. Either option is better for the economy as a whole.
Bailouts cost $10K per GM car sold
Obviously this number will go down over time, but it shows how daunting (and doubtful) it will be for the taxpayers to actually get their money back on this.
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