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ObamaRama 8
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Yep. I think last report said carry-trade was in Australia, better interest rates.
Same thing Japanese banks did when they had 0% rate in the 90's... they would buy our bonds making 5% or whatever with currency hedging. Hmm bigger bonuses for these crooks again. Instead of fighting them we should join them and start our own bank. USchoBank ... 1% auto loans, 2% home loans, 3% personal/credit card loans.
Yep. I think last report said carry-trade was in Australia, better interest rates.
Same thing Japanese banks did when they had 0% rate in the 90's... they would buy our bonds making 5% or whatever with currency hedging. Hmm bigger bonuses for these crooks again. Instead of fighting them we should join them and start our own bank. USchoBank ... 1% auto loans, 2% home loans, 3% personal/credit card loans.
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Sometimes he makes sense, but not in this case. We are at war in Afghanistan and Iraq and military justice should prevail there, although not sure what that means from the result in gitmo and abu. The "war" on terror is nonsense... like "war" on drugs or "war" on poverty, it's not a real war.
Sometimes he makes sense, but not in this case. We are at war in Afghanistan and Iraq and military justice should prevail there, although not sure what that means from the result in gitmo and abu. The "war" on terror is nonsense... like "war" on drugs or "war" on poverty, it's not a real war.
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In my opinion, the security issue is a complete non-issue. The entire courthouse area of the city is under heavy guard and surveillance already. All of the buildings are blocked with barriers that can't be penetrated by cars, and most of the streets in the area also have highly restricted access. If you want to argue it based on the fact that it should be a military trial that is fine, but I don't agree with arguing about it on the grounds of the safety of New Yorkers.
In my opinion, the security issue is a complete non-issue. The entire courthouse area of the city is under heavy guard and surveillance already. All of the buildings are blocked with barriers that can't be penetrated by cars, and most of the streets in the area also have highly restricted access. If you want to argue it based on the fact that it should be a military trial that is fine, but I don't agree with arguing about it on the grounds of the safety of New Yorkers.
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We are absolutely at war with terrorism. It may not be a traditional war as we know it, but make no mistake about it, it is a war. The Islamic terrorists are targeting western countries, especially the U.S. and Great Britain. To them it is their "holy war". They are well equipped and will do anything they can to kill as many of us as they can. These aren't random acts of murder and mayhem. They are targeting us, and you can be sure they are doing everything they can to obtain nuclear weapons to use against us, even if initially just in the form of dirty bombs. This should be a military trial, not a civil trial in U.S. Courts. Even if KSM and crew are found guilty, this is still a major policy miss-step by the Obama administration as far as I'm concerned.
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Funny, I could have sworn those were "real" casualties at Fort Hood, or at that Jewish Community Center in Seattle, or at the El Al counter at LAX, or on the campus of North Carolina or at that Army recruiting station, or around the beltway, or in lower Manhattan (twice).
These are foreign combatants, captured by our military on foreign battlefields. They are absolutely not entitled to be tried in civilian courts. They absolutely do not have the rights of ordinary American criminals. And the suprme court has agreed on several occasions. The Nazi saboteurs (who weren't able to commit any sabotage) were quickly tried before a military tribunal, convicted and executed. And no one lost any confidence in our criminal justice system. No one would if these monsters were tried before a military tribunal, except for the people whose primary loyalties lie somewhere other than here (see ACLU and its dontions of millions of dollars to defend KSM).
The president and his Attorney General have got it exactly backwards: they want Johnny Cochran to defend KSM and they apparantly want to prosecute people who were doing their jobs when they interrogated these scum. The president will pay a price for this fecklessness, mark my words.
Funny, I could have sworn those were "real" casualties at Fort Hood, or at that Jewish Community Center in Seattle, or at the El Al counter at LAX, or on the campus of North Carolina or at that Army recruiting station, or around the beltway, or in lower Manhattan (twice).
These are foreign combatants, captured by our military on foreign battlefields. They are absolutely not entitled to be tried in civilian courts. They absolutely do not have the rights of ordinary American criminals. And the suprme court has agreed on several occasions. The Nazi saboteurs (who weren't able to commit any sabotage) were quickly tried before a military tribunal, convicted and executed. And no one lost any confidence in our criminal justice system. No one would if these monsters were tried before a military tribunal, except for the people whose primary loyalties lie somewhere other than here (see ACLU and its dontions of millions of dollars to defend KSM).
The president and his Attorney General have got it exactly backwards: they want Johnny Cochran to defend KSM and they apparantly want to prosecute people who were doing their jobs when they interrogated these scum. The president will pay a price for this fecklessness, mark my words.
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ScottM
**** it feels good to be a bankster
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Why? The crimes charged were committed in New York, before this state of "war" or whatever the hell it is existed. The New York federal prosecutors have a nearly 100% conviction rate against terrorists, and the feds overall are at 95% or better. I don't know about you, but if we believe in our laws and the US Constitution, now is the time those beliefs can be tested and proven correct. Moreover, put these jokers in front of a jury of 12 New Yorkers, and you probably won't have time for a **** break before they convict them.
Why? The crimes charged were committed in New York, before this state of "war" or whatever the hell it is existed. The New York federal prosecutors have a nearly 100% conviction rate against terrorists, and the feds overall are at 95% or better. I don't know about you, but if we believe in our laws and the US Constitution, now is the time those beliefs can be tested and proven correct. Moreover, put these jokers in front of a jury of 12 New Yorkers, and you probably won't have time for a **** break before they convict them.
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Rah, rah, rah. Sounds great in a high school civics class, but the reality is somewhat different. You are aware, are you not, that the communist lawyer for the "blind" sheikh (Lynne Stewart) is heading to prison because she carried messages from him for his followers in Egypt. There would be nothing to stop lefty ACLU lawyers for KSM from doing the same thing.
I have never really criticized the Clinton administration for applying the "crime" model to jihad. "Let's just send Andy Sipowitz over there to put the bad guys in cuffs and bring 'em back here". But that was a horrible model then and the president and his attorney general seemed determined to take us back to those days. IIRC, it didn't work out too well. It won't work out well here, either.
KSM will doubtless use the occasion as a platform for his demented world view, may even try to defend himself. His ACLU lawyers will insist on massive amounts of discovery, an effort to "graymail" the government by threatening to release information critical to the war on terror. It's quite possible peope who've cooperated with us will die as a result. Not to mention information about our techniques will be useful for them to plan future atrocities.
Since KSM was waterboarded over 100 times, it's a lead pipe since he and his ACLU lawyers will put the government on trial There will be questions about the admissability of evidence. And I'm pretty sure the G.I's who snatched that pig didn't read him his Miranda rights. And it's not too hard for me to imagine one New York juror who would vote to acquit based on "excesses" by the government.
I have no way of knowing if terrorists would put New York in the crosshairs for another attack during what promises to be a marathon trial, but I don't think we can just wave away the prospect.
Your argument about where the crimes were committed would be more on point if any of the original hijackers had survived. KSM and his pals were never in the United States, didn't actually participate in the commission of the crimes. And again, they were captured on foreign battlefields by our military.
I believe in our Constitution and criminal justice system as well. But I'm pretty certain our jihadi enemies won't be impressed by a trial in NYC. I doubt that they'll say to themselves: "by golly these Americans aren't so bad after all, why they gave KSM a fair trial in a civilian court. Maybe we should reconsider this jihad business."
Nope, these enemies of America should be tried in front of military tribunals and then destroyed.
Rah, rah, rah. Sounds great in a high school civics class, but the reality is somewhat different. You are aware, are you not, that the communist lawyer for the "blind" sheikh (Lynne Stewart) is heading to prison because she carried messages from him for his followers in Egypt. There would be nothing to stop lefty ACLU lawyers for KSM from doing the same thing.
I have never really criticized the Clinton administration for applying the "crime" model to jihad. "Let's just send Andy Sipowitz over there to put the bad guys in cuffs and bring 'em back here". But that was a horrible model then and the president and his attorney general seemed determined to take us back to those days. IIRC, it didn't work out too well. It won't work out well here, either.
KSM will doubtless use the occasion as a platform for his demented world view, may even try to defend himself. His ACLU lawyers will insist on massive amounts of discovery, an effort to "graymail" the government by threatening to release information critical to the war on terror. It's quite possible peope who've cooperated with us will die as a result. Not to mention information about our techniques will be useful for them to plan future atrocities.
Since KSM was waterboarded over 100 times, it's a lead pipe since he and his ACLU lawyers will put the government on trial There will be questions about the admissability of evidence. And I'm pretty sure the G.I's who snatched that pig didn't read him his Miranda rights. And it's not too hard for me to imagine one New York juror who would vote to acquit based on "excesses" by the government.
I have no way of knowing if terrorists would put New York in the crosshairs for another attack during what promises to be a marathon trial, but I don't think we can just wave away the prospect.
Your argument about where the crimes were committed would be more on point if any of the original hijackers had survived. KSM and his pals were never in the United States, didn't actually participate in the commission of the crimes. And again, they were captured on foreign battlefields by our military.
I believe in our Constitution and criminal justice system as well. But I'm pretty certain our jihadi enemies won't be impressed by a trial in NYC. I doubt that they'll say to themselves: "by golly these Americans aren't so bad after all, why they gave KSM a fair trial in a civilian court. Maybe we should reconsider this jihad business."
Nope, these enemies of America should be tried in front of military tribunals and then destroyed.
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You tell me. On a scale of 1-10 for limp wristed responses, that's about an 8.
You tell me. On a scale of 1-10 for limp wristed responses, that's about an 8.
walrus
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Not sure this belongs here but might as be Obamas fault as anyones
http://www.thefoxnation.com/swastik...ika-war-christmas-begins-massachusetts?page=4
Not sure this belongs here but might as be Obamas fault as anyones
http://www.thefoxnation.com/swastik...ika-war-christmas-begins-massachusetts?page=4
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Back in the day, when I was in the AF in Tokyo (it was tough duty but somebody had to do it!) we used the term "zipperhead" to describe Japanese drivers (who are, uhh, a bit aggressive). We meant that perfectly normal people would get in their cars, unzip their heads, put their brains in the seat beside them and then hit the gas. I'm thinking we've had an outbreak of "zipperheaditis" here.
Back in the day, when I was in the AF in Tokyo (it was tough duty but somebody had to do it!) we used the term "zipperhead" to describe Japanese drivers (who are, uhh, a bit aggressive). We meant that perfectly normal people would get in their cars, unzip their heads, put their brains in the seat beside them and then hit the gas. I'm thinking we've had an outbreak of "zipperheaditis" here.
ScottM
**** it feels good to be a bankster
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You, and your ilk, constantly wrap yourselves in the flag and the Constitution, but when "push comes to shove" you willfully abrogate what both stand for as a result of your own fears and to further your own political agenda. You lack the courage of your convictions to believe that even the most heinous persons won't meet justice under our laws. Your insistence on moving the goal line for political expediency is better suited to Iran or Zimbawbe.
And as far as "limp wristed" goes, you were in the Air Force. Aside from the A-10 and AC-130 crews, you guys always seemed a little "light" in the Cordovans.
You, and your ilk, constantly wrap yourselves in the flag and the Constitution, but when "push comes to shove" you willfully abrogate what both stand for as a result of your own fears and to further your own political agenda. You lack the courage of your convictions to believe that even the most heinous persons won't meet justice under our laws. Your insistence on moving the goal line for political expediency is better suited to Iran or Zimbawbe.
And as far as "limp wristed" goes, you were in the Air Force. Aside from the A-10 and AC-130 crews, you guys always seemed a little "light" in the Cordovans.
unofan
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While it's true you never know what you'll get in a jury, it's also true that once you're charged in Federal Court, you're generally ****ed. The Feds don't screw around, and if it makes it to the point where you're charged under Federal law, you're pretty much assured of going to jail. The only question is going to be for how long.
We're not talking an overworked, bustling county courthouse with state judges. This won't be the 2nd coming of the OJ trial.
While it's true you never know what you'll get in a jury, it's also true that once you're charged in Federal Court, you're generally ****ed. The Feds don't screw around, and if it makes it to the point where you're charged under Federal law, you're pretty much assured of going to jail. The only question is going to be for how long.
We're not talking an overworked, bustling county courthouse with state judges. This won't be the 2nd coming of the OJ trial.
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Me and my "ilk?" Let me see if I'm understanding your rant: to advocate that terrorists be tried in front of military tribunals (which has been upheld by our Supreme Court on multiple occasions) is an abrogation of both the flag AND the constitution?
And it's "my fears" that have resulted in "my insistence on moving the goal line," etc. etc. I have confidence in our justice system, the bad guys usually wind up convicted (OJ being a noteworthy exception). The question here is not the efficacy of the system but whether these monsters deserve access to it. I have no "political agenda", other than wanting these people dead, immediately if not sooner.
And maybe I shouldn't have said limp wristed, maybe limp d****d would have been more appropriate. As to the Air Force being light in their cordovans, I'm far less personally knowledgeable about that than you appear to be. But here's an unarguable concept: nobody ever asks for a rematch against the USAF, because they're all dead. Ding hoy.
Me and my "ilk?" Let me see if I'm understanding your rant: to advocate that terrorists be tried in front of military tribunals (which has been upheld by our Supreme Court on multiple occasions) is an abrogation of both the flag AND the constitution?
And it's "my fears" that have resulted in "my insistence on moving the goal line," etc. etc. I have confidence in our justice system, the bad guys usually wind up convicted (OJ being a noteworthy exception). The question here is not the efficacy of the system but whether these monsters deserve access to it. I have no "political agenda", other than wanting these people dead, immediately if not sooner.
And maybe I shouldn't have said limp wristed, maybe limp d****d would have been more appropriate. As to the Air Force being light in their cordovans, I'm far less personally knowledgeable about that than you appear to be. But here's an unarguable concept: nobody ever asks for a rematch against the USAF, because they're all dead. Ding hoy.
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All true, and I hope you're right. Remember, these pigs aren't bank robbers, or counterfeiters or murderers. They are international terrorists responsible for 3000 murders and untold disruption to our financial sysem.
What have they done to warrant the protections we give to citizens? Why should we give them a high profile platform to fire up other jihadists?
All true, and I hope you're right. Remember, these pigs aren't bank robbers, or counterfeiters or murderers. They are international terrorists responsible for 3000 murders and untold disruption to our financial sysem.
What have they done to warrant the protections we give to citizens? Why should we give them a high profile platform to fire up other jihadists?
unofan
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And the only way "prove" that is by giving them rights they're not entitled to?
It's interesting to note the president evidently plans to use military tribunals for other terrorists. So if there's some fundamental flaw with tribunals, why
would he want to try any terrorists before them?
And the only way "prove" that is by giving them rights they're not entitled to?
It's interesting to note the president evidently plans to use military tribunals for other terrorists. So if there's some fundamental flaw with tribunals, why
would he want to try any terrorists before them?
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Problem = solved
Taxpayer $ spent -- not much
Justice served
Anyone have a problem with this?
OK, bring them to NY, and then put them in the general population at Rikers Island. How long do they last?
Problem = solved
Taxpayer $ spent -- not much
Justice served
Anyone have a problem with this?
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KSM, I'd like to introduce you to the president of the David Duke fan club. Let the games begin!
Remember on 9/11 (on the plane that went down in Pennsylvania) one of the passengers was a 6'6", 260 pound, gay Jewish rugby player? Just what one of those jihadists needed, a 6'6" 260 pound gay Jew with his hands around his scrawny neck! Talk about hitting for the jihadist cycle.
KSM, I'd like to introduce you to the president of the David Duke fan club. Let the games begin!
Remember on 9/11 (on the plane that went down in Pennsylvania) one of the passengers was a 6'6", 260 pound, gay Jewish rugby player? Just what one of those jihadists needed, a 6'6" 260 pound gay Jew with his hands around his scrawny neck! Talk about hitting for the jihadist cycle.
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