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ObamaRama 8
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Foxton
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Your opinion of that would hold water if every culture had that norm, problem is that they don't, and different cultures put different associations with actions. If the President is going to visit other countries, he should be culturally aware, even if the populace he governs is uncomfortable that other people maybe different than them.
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Obama has evidently changed his mind on making the purchase of health insurance mandatory:
http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2...-wanting-to-force-people-to-buy-health-i.html
Obama has evidently changed his mind on making the purchase of health insurance mandatory:
http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2...-wanting-to-force-people-to-buy-health-i.html
walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
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I'm sure you misheard or misunderstood. The toadies on here will set you straight
I'm sure you misheard or misunderstood. The toadies on here will set you straight
solovsfett
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agreed.
and btw - I think we've got enough evidence now that Obama isn't "the most blindingly intelligent" person to ever be President...a slight paraphrase from the media (remember he didn't realize that Austrian's speak German, not this Austrian language he mentioned, if it were Bush he would have been crucified for that gaff). this guy is so far over his head it would be funny if there wasn't so much at stake. It's like we elected a college professor as President. well-read and smart, yes, any knowledge of economics, or theories that work in practice? No.
oh wait, let's investigate the USCHO board now, who are these users who speak ill of chairman Barack? we need their emails, physical addresses, employer names, etc.
agreed.
and btw - I think we've got enough evidence now that Obama isn't "the most blindingly intelligent" person to ever be President...a slight paraphrase from the media (remember he didn't realize that Austrian's speak German, not this Austrian language he mentioned, if it were Bush he would have been crucified for that gaff). this guy is so far over his head it would be funny if there wasn't so much at stake. It's like we elected a college professor as President. well-read and smart, yes, any knowledge of economics, or theories that work in practice? No.
oh wait, let's investigate the USCHO board now, who are these users who speak ill of chairman Barack? we need their emails, physical addresses, employer names, etc.
solovsfett
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hmm, would this mean that other world leaders should be cognizant of American Culture and wear jeans, t-shirt, and eat at Mcdonalds when they are here? give high-fives maybe?
hmm, would this mean that other world leaders should be cognizant of American Culture and wear jeans, t-shirt, and eat at Mcdonalds when they are here? give high-fives maybe?
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Democrats place a high value on "being smart" as a measure of how good a president is. Conversely, they think most Republican presidents are "too stupid," Eisenhower, Reagan, Ford, Bush II were all varously attacked because of their alleged lack of brain power. Bush II, we were told, was as dumb as a bag of doorknobs, but his college boards and grades at Yale were higher than John Kerry's. Hmmm.
On the other hand, Jimmy Carter was a nookuler engineer, and presidents Gore, Dukakis and Mondale were all much smarter than their Repubican rivals. The genius Jimmy Carter wound up scheduling the WH tennis court, while that old dummy Ronald Reagan brought down the Soviet Union. Give me that kind of stupid every time.
Democrats place a high value on "being smart" as a measure of how good a president is. Conversely, they think most Republican presidents are "too stupid," Eisenhower, Reagan, Ford, Bush II were all varously attacked because of their alleged lack of brain power. Bush II, we were told, was as dumb as a bag of doorknobs, but his college boards and grades at Yale were higher than John Kerry's. Hmmm.
On the other hand, Jimmy Carter was a nookuler engineer, and presidents Gore, Dukakis and Mondale were all much smarter than their Repubican rivals. The genius Jimmy Carter wound up scheduling the WH tennis court, while that old dummy Ronald Reagan brought down the Soviet Union. Give me that kind of stupid every time.
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solovsfett
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yes. and meanwhile, Antonin Scalia is just a hot-head, while Ruth bader is "cerebral"
it's just exasperating. Cause I'd love to see someone from the left debate a guy like Scalia, Thomas, Alito or going back to history Buckley, Reagan, Ike, I think they'd be resorting to name-calling quicker than they'd care to admit. good grief.
I can't imagine in any world referring to Ike as less than a genius but then again I never thought we'd live in a world where so many people think bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki is evil incarnate while the empirical evidence shows we would have lost close to 500,000 soldiers (doubling our total for the entire war to that point) with a land invasion of Japan.
yes. and meanwhile, Antonin Scalia is just a hot-head, while Ruth bader is "cerebral"
it's just exasperating. Cause I'd love to see someone from the left debate a guy like Scalia, Thomas, Alito or going back to history Buckley, Reagan, Ike, I think they'd be resorting to name-calling quicker than they'd care to admit. good grief.
I can't imagine in any world referring to Ike as less than a genius but then again I never thought we'd live in a world where so many people think bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki is evil incarnate while the empirical evidence shows we would have lost close to 500,000 soldiers (doubling our total for the entire war to that point) with a land invasion of Japan.
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One time Buckley was asked why Bobby Kennedy rejected debating with him.
Buckley replied: "Why does bologna reject the grinder?"
Historian Steven Ambrose said of Eisenhower: he had an interesting entry on his resume--beat Hitler.
Truman issued the Potsdam Declaration, calling for the immediate surrender of Japan and promising a "rain of ruin," if they did not. Their response? They said they would "mokusatsu" the president's demand, which means to ignore.
They didn't ignore it for long. I said earlier today it is unbelievable that Obama had no answer for the A-bomb question. It is always asked. And if we would lose 500K killed in an invasion of Honshu, how many Japanese civilians would have died? At least that many.
This is a war they started, attacking us while their representatives in DC were "negotiating" with us.
The Bataan death march, summary beheadings of POW's to give their little samurai warriors sword practice, eating the livers of captured air crew and live fire experiments with American POW's at Harbin. These are some, but not all, of the war crimes they committed.
They have pretty much renounced and apologized for their actions (not for Pearl Harbor and the treatment of American POW's). About 10 times more Americans held prisoner by the Japanese died than did their counterparts in German captivity. Even so, I'm willing to let bygones be bygones. But an American president, any American president, must have an answer for that question and it must be an answer that doesn't equivocate or ***** foot around the necessities of war.
One time Buckley was asked why Bobby Kennedy rejected debating with him.
Buckley replied: "Why does bologna reject the grinder?"
Historian Steven Ambrose said of Eisenhower: he had an interesting entry on his resume--beat Hitler.
Truman issued the Potsdam Declaration, calling for the immediate surrender of Japan and promising a "rain of ruin," if they did not. Their response? They said they would "mokusatsu" the president's demand, which means to ignore.
They didn't ignore it for long. I said earlier today it is unbelievable that Obama had no answer for the A-bomb question. It is always asked. And if we would lose 500K killed in an invasion of Honshu, how many Japanese civilians would have died? At least that many.
This is a war they started, attacking us while their representatives in DC were "negotiating" with us.
The Bataan death march, summary beheadings of POW's to give their little samurai warriors sword practice, eating the livers of captured air crew and live fire experiments with American POW's at Harbin. These are some, but not all, of the war crimes they committed.
They have pretty much renounced and apologized for their actions (not for Pearl Harbor and the treatment of American POW's). About 10 times more Americans held prisoner by the Japanese died than did their counterparts in German captivity. Even so, I'm willing to let bygones be bygones. But an American president, any American president, must have an answer for that question and it must be an answer that doesn't equivocate or ***** foot around the necessities of war.
Terrierbyassociation
Fight Cancer, Wherever You Find It
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Have you ever heard Scalia speak? He is quite possibly the most arrogant man alive. He thinks he is above everyone else.
That said, he is an amazing legal scholar that I don't usually agree with.
Have you ever heard Scalia speak? He is quite possibly the most arrogant man alive. He thinks he is above everyone else.
That said, he is an amazing legal scholar that I don't usually agree with.
solovsfett
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great stuff! esp, Buckley's quote. I concur. I had a link to a video that was about 12-15minutes long that was put together to refute the A-bomb Hiroshima argument. I'll have to dig that up. It really puts the facts together for people who don't want to read "Helmet For My Pillow", or "With the Old Breed".
aha - http://www.pjtv.com/video/Afterburn...ls_&_The_True_Story_of_the_Atomic_Bombs/1808/
great stuff! esp, Buckley's quote. I concur. I had a link to a video that was about 12-15minutes long that was put together to refute the A-bomb Hiroshima argument. I'll have to dig that up. It really puts the facts together for people who don't want to read "Helmet For My Pillow", or "With the Old Breed".
aha - http://www.pjtv.com/video/Afterburn...ls_&_The_True_Story_of_the_Atomic_Bombs/1808/
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solovsfett
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Yes I have. I don't feel he's arrogant but that may be because I agree with him more times than not.
likewise I'm guessing you feel Obama is NOT arrogant?
Yes I have. I don't feel he's arrogant but that may be because I agree with him more times than not.
likewise I'm guessing you feel Obama is NOT arrogant?
Terrierbyassociation
Fight Cancer, Wherever You Find It
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I'm not comparing Obama and Scalia so I don't see the relevance, I just responded to your quote about Scalia. I've listened to Scalia live as he spoke at my law school as a 2L. He was above questioning when taking questions. Humility is something everyone needs, and at least Obama has a bit of self-deprecating humor. Now you can argue that he's not being sincere, but Obama is nowhere near as arrogant as Scalia.
Though I am quite fond of Scalia's majority opinion for Kyllo.
I'm not comparing Obama and Scalia so I don't see the relevance, I just responded to your quote about Scalia. I've listened to Scalia live as he spoke at my law school as a 2L. He was above questioning when taking questions. Humility is something everyone needs, and at least Obama has a bit of self-deprecating humor. Now you can argue that he's not being sincere, but Obama is nowhere near as arrogant as Scalia.
Though I am quite fond of Scalia's majority opinion for Kyllo.
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Missing someone? Clinton worked out all right, no?
Not that GHWB was an idiot -- he wasn't. I'm not sure how you'd defend his son, though. Cutting taxes, fighting a couple wars, and overseeing large increases in non-defense spending despite having control of both houses of Congress for the first 6 years of his presidency. Forget left-wing criteria. He fails by Republicans' own scorecard.
As for spending the USSR into submission...who authorized the MX missile when it was stalled in the 70s? Not Ford.
Missing someone? Clinton worked out all right, no?
Not that GHWB was an idiot -- he wasn't. I'm not sure how you'd defend his son, though. Cutting taxes, fighting a couple wars, and overseeing large increases in non-defense spending despite having control of both houses of Congress for the first 6 years of his presidency. Forget left-wing criteria. He fails by Republicans' own scorecard.
As for spending the USSR into submission...who authorized the MX missile when it was stalled in the 70s? Not Ford.
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Clinton is scary smart. Don't confuse intelligence with policy decisions. Even bright presidents make political mistakes (see Hoover, Herbert). The MX missile played a role but it was Reagan who is generally given credit. Creating the 600 ship navy, deploying medium range missiles in Europe over a chorus of keening and wailing by the left. Beginning work on the Strategic Defense Initiative, which liberals in this country dismissed as Star Wars. The Soviets, on the other hand, took it very seriously. Because what the Soviet Union really was, was a third world country with nukes. And let's give credit to the Roman Catholic Church for selecting an obscure Polish cardinal to be Pope. And where did the collapse of soviet tyranny begin? Poland. A coincidence, no doubt.
Missing someone? Clinton worked out all right, no?
Not that GHWB was an idiot -- he wasn't. I'm not sure how you'd defend his son, though. Cutting taxes, fighting a couple wars, and overseeing large increases in non-defense spending despite having control of both houses of Congress for the first 6 years of his presidency. Forget left-wing criteria. He fails by Republicans' own scorecard.
As for spending the USSR into submission...who authorized the MX missile when it was stalled in the 70s? Not Ford.
Clinton is scary smart. Don't confuse intelligence with policy decisions. Even bright presidents make political mistakes (see Hoover, Herbert). The MX missile played a role but it was Reagan who is generally given credit. Creating the 600 ship navy, deploying medium range missiles in Europe over a chorus of keening and wailing by the left. Beginning work on the Strategic Defense Initiative, which liberals in this country dismissed as Star Wars. The Soviets, on the other hand, took it very seriously. Because what the Soviet Union really was, was a third world country with nukes. And let's give credit to the Roman Catholic Church for selecting an obscure Polish cardinal to be Pope. And where did the collapse of soviet tyranny begin? Poland. A coincidence, no doubt.
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solovsfett
Registered User
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I wasn't bringing up arrogance necessarily in my posts below. It was about the perception of some on the left side of the aisle, perpetuated by the media, that left leaning politicians are "cerebral" while right leaning politicians are not as smart.
I don't see any humility whatsoever from Obama.
As for arrogance, I'm sure you're right on Scalia. I don't think you could get to the supreme court, presidency, etc., without a certain measure of arrogance that is greater than most of us would care to deal with. I think watching most Senators or House members talk to constituents is a great way to see arrogance in motion
I'm not comparing Obama and Scalia so I don't see the relevance, I just responded to your quote about Scalia. I've listened to Scalia live as he spoke at my law school as a 2L. He was above questioning when taking questions. Humility is something everyone needs, and at least Obama has a bit of self-deprecating humor. Now you can argue that he's not being sincere, but Obama is nowhere near as arrogant as Scalia.
Though I am quite fond of Scalia's majority opinion for Kyllo.
I wasn't bringing up arrogance necessarily in my posts below. It was about the perception of some on the left side of the aisle, perpetuated by the media, that left leaning politicians are "cerebral" while right leaning politicians are not as smart.
I don't see any humility whatsoever from Obama.
As for arrogance, I'm sure you're right on Scalia. I don't think you could get to the supreme court, presidency, etc., without a certain measure of arrogance that is greater than most of us would care to deal with. I think watching most Senators or House members talk to constituents is a great way to see arrogance in motion
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Current health and repayment by major banks has shown govt bailouts appear to have worked. Now GM now thinks it may be able to repay its govt loans as soon as next year.
To this end, many conservatives felt it would have been best to 'let them all fail'...which is beginning to appear as anywhere between wrong and potentially disasterous.
On a side note, hopefully Medvedev is becoming his own man. Last week he criticized a handful of large state influenced corporations set up under Putin. Today he came out strongly for addressing climate change. This would have been an easy program for him to ignore...with Russia being a manufacturering state, with population dispersion limiting the impact of pollution and global warming more likely to positively affect a country so far north.
Current health and repayment by major banks has shown govt bailouts appear to have worked. Now GM now thinks it may be able to repay its govt loans as soon as next year.
To this end, many conservatives felt it would have been best to 'let them all fail'...which is beginning to appear as anywhere between wrong and potentially disasterous.
On a side note, hopefully Medvedev is becoming his own man. Last week he criticized a handful of large state influenced corporations set up under Putin. Today he came out strongly for addressing climate change. This would have been an easy program for him to ignore...with Russia being a manufacturering state, with population dispersion limiting the impact of pollution and global warming more likely to positively affect a country so far north.
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Kepler
Cornell Big Red
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Hopefully but I listen to Radio Russia a couple times a week -- essentially a state run propaganda outlet like VOA -- and it is still hard line Putinesque. Even if Medvedev is emerging from the shadow, he still advocates a muscular return to Soviet era power: for example, his plans for dramatic expansion of Russian naval penetration into, his words, all of the world's oceans.
The emergence of a powerful, stable, democratic Russia and China would be great, since it would reduce both the Western need and flexibility to be a military watchdog of central Asia, and let us turn our attention to pressing domestic problems like the economy. But the "democratic" part of that equation is still in doubt.
Hopefully but I listen to Radio Russia a couple times a week -- essentially a state run propaganda outlet like VOA -- and it is still hard line Putinesque. Even if Medvedev is emerging from the shadow, he still advocates a muscular return to Soviet era power: for example, his plans for dramatic expansion of Russian naval penetration into, his words, all of the world's oceans.
The emergence of a powerful, stable, democratic Russia and China would be great, since it would reduce both the Western need and flexibility to be a military watchdog of central Asia, and let us turn our attention to pressing domestic problems like the economy. But the "democratic" part of that equation is still in doubt.
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