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Kepler said:
Abortion itself is a medical procedure.
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This is the most convoluted mental gymnastic yet. Would you call it a "medical procedure" if it was performed with a coat hanger, acid bath, or shotgun? The purpose and effect would be identical to your fun and sanitary mental image. Is a sterile environment and performance by a "physician" making it a "medical procedure"? If the doctor goes into his operating room and rapes a dog while wearing a white gown, has that become a "medical procedure"?
Nonsense. It's still killing someone else, however it's done.
Also look up something called "Hippocratic Oath." You'll never call it a "medical procedure" again. It's trying to change the nature of something by calling it the opposite of what it is.

And STAY OFF MY LAWN.
 
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unofan said:
First off: But you're right, you never said anything about hyperinflation. :rolleyes:

Secondly, what exactly do you think the "flation" part of "stagflation" is if not inflation? Technically speaking, there is no rule or law of economics preventing that inflation from being as excessive as any other form of inflation.

(not that I think we're seeing anything close to a level of inflation that we must worry about at this point. But it was your argument, so don't try to back away now that I've called you on it).
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Wow, did you take what I said out of context. Depending upon quantitative easing to pay the bills eventually leads to hyperinflation is what I said. Also, hyperinflation may be a form of inflation, but the converse is not necessarily true.

You must be the dumbest "smart liberal" I know. One more chance, then you get the block list.
 
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geezer said:
(various irrelevancies) It's still killing someone else (other irrelevancies)
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That's the crux of the argument. You appear to be unaware that your opinion is far from universal.

Once again, you have a remedy for your opinion. Don't have an abortion. But you cannot just magically pretend your opinion binds others who have a completely different opinion. Your opinion is not binding on our lives because we do not share it.
 
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Kepler said:
That's the crux of the argument. You appear to be unaware that your opinion is far from universal.
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By no stretch of anyone's imagination could the definition of abortion as causing death be called an opinion. That's just blatant denial, and will not be tolerated.

OK, I'll give up. truce. I know we've wasted time on this topic countless times before.
 
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geezer said:
By no stretch of anyone's imagination could the definition of abortion as causing death be called an opinion. That's just blatant denial, and will not be tolerated.
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LOL. Yeah, come out to my house and try your mind-control act in person. :rolleyes:
 
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Kepler said:
LOL. Yeah, come out to my house and try your mind-control act in person. :rolleyes:
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What's this, 6th grade? An argument over a definition of a word is a "Mind-control act"? I can roll the little eyes too, look: :rolleyes:
 
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geezer said:
What's this, 6th grade? An argument over a definition of a word is a "Mind-control act"? I can roll the little eyes too, look: :rolleyes:
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Dude, I was referring to your "zat vill not be tolerated!" Gestapo drag act. It was a joke on your juvenilia. Get it now?
 
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Kepler said:
Dude, I was referring to your "zat vill not be tolerated!" Gestapo drag act. It was a joke on your juvenilia. Get it now?
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OK, I was unclear. I meant that your stupidity was forcing me to post yet another wasted post on this page. Rest easy.
 
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geezer said:
OK, I was unclear. I meant that your stupidity was forcing me to post yet another wasted post on this page. Rest easy.
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As your fanaticism on this issue was forcing me to avoid discussing the topic with you for lack of any serious input. So I won't bother your bubble, either. Relax.

(N.B.: geezer can discuss everything rationally except abortion like Bob can discuss everything rationally except immigration).
 
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Kepler said:
As your fanaticism on this issue was forcing me to avoid discussing the topic with you for lack of any serious input. So I won't bother your bubble, either. Relax.

(N.B.: geezer can discuss everything rationally except abortion like Bob can discuss everything rationally except immigration).
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Maybe so: but let me ask (for the general audience) one more question. Does anyone see a benefit to abortions in the area of helping control population growth?

It's not any kind of new argument or attempted rhetorical trap, I'm just curious about how people find their justifications.
 
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geezer said:
Maybe so: but let me ask (for the general audience) one more question. Does anyone see a benefit to abortions in the area of helping control population growth?
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I think if you widen that question to all of birth control the answer is clearly yes. Since abortion is a legitimate form of birth control then, indirectly, the answer to the narrow question is yes.

So if it makes you feel good you can now call me an evil Margaret Sanger eugenicist or whatever. Edit: <-- This is me being a needlessly provocative idiot.

The underlying issue that burns my britches is that this is one of those opinions people have where they also assume "well, everybody recognizes this as an Established Fact, therefore anyone who disagree with me is either lying, delusionally fooling themselves or just poor at reasoning." That always makes my "don't presume you 'know' better what I believe or why I believe it" senses tingle. I've seen people on the other side of the aisle do it too, on environmentalism especially. It's such a presumptuous way of defending what is, in the end, merely one opinion among many, that it activates a gag reflex.

If you are not doing that, then I apologize profusely. Actually, I apologize anyway, just to keep the peace. I'm married and it's a habit.
 
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Kepler said:
I think if you widen that question to all of birth control the answer is clearly yes. Since abortion is a legitimate form of birth control then, indirectly, yes.

So if it makes you feel good you can now call me an evil Margaret Sanger eugenicist or whatever.
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Not at all. I'm sympathetic to that view.
 
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Kepler said:
If you are not doing that, then I apologize profusely. Actually, I apologize anyway, just to keep the peace. I'm married and it's a habit.
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Yeah, that's what I was doing. Sorry about the name calling and stuff. Everyone else is probably wise to steer clear of this topic.
 
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geezer said:
Yeah, that's what I was doing. Sorry about the name calling and stuff. Everyone else is probably wise to steer clear of this topic.
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Just assume I'm being an idiot -- see my annotation below. (I do :) ). I owe you a beer.
 
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geezer said:
Maybe so: but let me ask (for the general audience) one more question. Does anyone see a benefit to abortions in the area of helping control population growth?
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That's certainly one benefit, though I doubt the legal status of abortion in the US would be any more than a decimal point in the world population in, say,, 2050 or 2100. According to Wiki, 25% of women say they are having an abortion to delay their childbearing, not to eliminate it entirely, so there's not a 1-for-1 correlation between the number of abortions and the number of births.

The real benefits to the US are in making more families financially viable. Forcing a million women per year to have babies that they do not want would have a real impact on productivity, throw more families into poverty, and put a big strain on government social services - thereby INCREASING the need for a larger, more intrusive government.

And yes, I realize that you could make the same "benefits" argument for allowing parents to kill their children up until some other arbitrary age, but it turns out that A Modest Proposal really was just satire.
 
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I'll resist weighing in on this discussion, as it hasn't been worth the effort in the past.
 
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LynahFan said:
That's certainly one benefit, though I doubt the legal status of abortion in the US would be any more than a decimal point in the world population in, say,, 2050 or 2100. According to Wiki, 25% of women say they are having an abortion to delay their childbearing, not to eliminate it entirely, so there's not a 1-for-1 correlation between the number of abortions and the number of births.

The real benefits to the US are in making more families financially viable. Forcing a million women per year to have babies that they do not want would have a real impact on productivity, throw more families into poverty, and put a big strain on government social services - thereby INCREASING the need for a larger, more intrusive government.

And yes, I realize that you could make the same "benefits" argument for allowing parents to kill their children up until some other arbitrary age, but it turns out that A Modest Proposal really was just satire.
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Perhaps we should start to take a look at policies regarding adoption. I'm sure there are plenty of couples out there that are not DINKs by choice (Dual Income No Kids), and would love to be able to adopt a needy child. Of course, there are plenty of women while pregnant who would rather put the child up for adoption for whatever reason, but then once they give birth, they absolutely want to keep the child.
 
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geezer said:
Maybe so: but let me ask (for the general audience) one more question. Does anyone see a benefit to abortions in the area of helping control population growth?

It's not any kind of new argument or attempted rhetorical trap, I'm just curious about how people find their justifications.
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Certainly the idea of a government coming in and forcing abortions for purposes of controlling population, or the sex of newborn children, is reprehensible, but not from the standpoint of abortion, more from the standpoint of personal freedom.

I'm not sure anyone decides to have an abortion to save the world from over-crowding. I suspect most fall into either some sort of medical explanation (health of mother/fetus) or because having a child was unplanned and the expectant mother simply believes she is in no position to care for the child. It's easy to tell her to just have the kid and then put it up for adoption. But besides the costs and risks associated with pregnancy and giving birth, I expect giving a child up for adoption is probably one of the toughest things you can ask a human to do, and I don't feel like I have a right to force a woman to go through that agony.
 
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Get the children out of the room. I'm not entirely certain this mini-flap about presidential letters of condolance to the families of SEALS who died in a chopper crash in Afghanistan isn't a bit of a cheap shot. I guess it would depend, in part, on what recent presidents did in similar circumstances.

The principal beef seems to be that these were "form" letters, signed by auto-pen. Well, let's start with the fact that that's the way things are done these days. Not every president has the time or talent to write updated versions of Lincoln's letter to Mrs. Bixby (assuming he was the author). One of the really moving moments in "Saving Private Ryan" was when General Marshall quoted the letter from memory. And said: "That boy is alive. We are gonna send somebody to find him. And we are gonna get him the H*ll... outta there."

Could the president have made a personal notation on each letter and signed them personally? Yes. And IMO he should have. But the inference that's being drawn here is that "form" letters signed by auto-pen bespeak lack of sincerity or even disrespect for our war dead. I'm not sure you can get there from here. Look, I want him gone and back in Chicago "community organizing" with the Blackstone Rangers as much as anybody.

But the reaction here seems a bit unfair. Absent any evidence of malice, I'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt on this one.


http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...parents-a-form-letter-signed-by-electric-pen/
 
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