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[Kepler]

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though I wouldn't expect you to have the same issue with them given their political lean.

And that's where you'd be wrong.

I don't see any point to keeping the Senate. The states are dead. Let the House's freak flag fly as the sole federal legislative authority. (While we're at it, bury the Electoral College as well.)

 

[bronconick]

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I was under the impression that the "splitting Texas 5 ways" clause got revoked or at least not included when they had to re-apply for admission following the Civil War.

 

[Kepler]

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I was under the impression that the "splitting Texas 5 ways" clause got revoked or at least not included when they had to re-apply for admission following the Civil War.

I believe the only time it actually mattered was the conditions of initial acceptance into the union. As soon as it joined the US any special status was superseded by federal law, and it became another boring state. (Just don't tell Texans this. They're like the joke about Baptists in Heaven).

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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And that's where you'd be wrong.

I don't see any point to keeping the Senate. The states are dead. Let the House's freak flag fly as the sole federal legislative authority. (While we're at it, bury the Electoral College as well.)

Either that, or repeal the 17th Amendment. We can give the states more power. Yet another product of the Republican party, who, historically, was derived from the Federalist party.

 

[Old Pio]

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1787 called; they want their argument back.

Good one. The genius of our system is two houses, one based on population, the other on states. In a house only scenario, the biggest states could simply rape the less populated ones (oil in North Dakota anyone?) and the small states would have no recourse. The name of the country is the United STATES of America. Not the United Democrat Big City Delegations of America.

The single house scenario works fine in Nebaska, a small state. The old chamber stands empty in the Capitol. But Nebraska isn't a template for the whole country.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Good one. The genius of our system is two houses, one based on population, the other on states. In a house only scenario, the biggest states could simply rape the less populated ones (oil in North Dakota anyone?) and the small states would have no recourse. The name of the country is the United STATES of America. Not the United Democrat Big City Delegations of America.

The single house scenario works fine in Nebaska, a small state. The old chamber stands empty in the Capitol. But Nebraska isn't a template for the whole country.

Yet you care so much about what happens in California. Why?

 

[Old Pio]

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Yet you care so much about what happens in California. Why?

Non sequitor. Actually, I think AuH20 had the right idea: saw it off and let it float away.

 

[unofan]

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When did I say anything about hyperinflation? I said we were in a period of stagflation, and that does NOT include hyperinflation

First off:

This sort of thing leads to hyper-inflation.

But you're right, you never said anything about hyperinflation.

Secondly, what exactly do you think the "flation" part of "stagflation" is if not inflation? Technically speaking, there is no rule or law of economics preventing that inflation from being as excessive as any other form of inflation.

(not that I think we're seeing anything close to a level of inflation that we must worry about at this point. But it was your argument, so don't try to back away now that I've called you on it).

 

[Kepler]

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Secondly, what exactly do you think the "flation" part of "stagflation" is if not inflation? Technically speaking, there is no rule or law of economics preventing that inflation from being as excessive as any other form of inflation.

All of my righty friends at work predicted "10% unemployment / 10% inflation" if Obama won in 2008. They have been oddly quiet since.

 

[joecct]

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All of my righty friends at work predicted "10% unemployment / 10% inflation" if Obama won in 2008. They have been oddly quiet since.

They were just about 1/2 right.

But this election is about a philosophy about the role that government has in our lives. GOP wants less, Dems want more.

 

[unofan]

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they were just about 1/2 right.

But this election is about a philosophy about the role that government has in our lives. Gop wants less (unless you're talking about gays, god, the military, or women), dems want more (unless you're talking about gays, god, the military, or women).

ftfy

 

[Kepler]

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ftfy

Nice.

 

[Slap Shot]

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Then use paper bags at the groc- oh, wait, you environmentalists cut that as well because of trees. The libstain environmentalists practically destroyed Ticonderoga, and now the area is complaining to high heck about people leaving. Environmentalists are a group that should be ignored because they ***** and whine about everything, and are the nemesis to any country.

Oh look, it's Mini-Old Pio.

 

[5mn_Major]

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But this election is about a philosophy about the role that government has in our lives. GOP wants less, Dems want more.

Boy they got you. There is no evidence that when given the chance the GOP spends anything less than the dems. GOP has plenty of pet projects (McCain cried for about an hour about how we needed to spend more on the military) it pushes 24/7 and has a rich track record of spending.

And in terms of using government to dictate what society looks like, the GOP has no peers. Censorship, prayer in school, restrictions on ethnic programs, dictating what marriage looks like, international intervention, outlawing abortion procedures, zero tolerance on relatively harmless pot, and the patriot act to name just a few.

 

[joecct]

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Boy they got you. There is no evidence that when given the chance the GOP spends anything less than the dems. GOP has plenty of pet projects (McCain cried for about an hour about how we needed to spend more on the military) it pushes 24/7 and has a rich track record of spending.

And in terms of using government to dictate what society looks like, the GOP has no peers. Censorship, prayer in school, restrictions on ethnic programs, dictating what marriage looks like, international intervention, outlawing abortion procedures, zero tolerance on relatively harmless pot, and the patriot act to name just a few.

I did not say spend less, I said less intrusive government. I do not want a nanny state. I prefer to make my own mistakes.

 

[manurespreader]

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I did not say spend less, I said less intrusive government. I do not want a nanny state. I prefer to make my own mistakes.

I hear this argument all the time and to tell the truth it sounds good, except that when you talk about abortion, suddenly republicans are all for more govt intervention. so give me a break, the phrase is meaningless really.

 

[joecct]

I hear this argument all the time and to tell the truth it sounds good, except that when you talk about abortion, suddenly republicans are all for more govt intervention. so give me a break, the phrase is meaningless really.

abortion is a "right" granted by the state, thus it may be taken away. How and of that is done depend on our legislatures.
Rights granted by the Creator may never be taken away.

 

[geezer]

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I hear this argument all the time and to tell the truth it sounds good, except that when you talk about abortion, suddenly republicans are all for more govt intervention. so give me a break, the phrase is meaningless really.

Not really. All the support for abortion relies on carving out exceptions to a straightforward law against murdering other people, so that it becomes legal based on the age of the victim and other things. So more regulation, special exemptions, imposed morality over common sense = big-government abortion proponents. The biggest problem I have with the Democrat Party is their complete lack of willingness to accept behavioral norms for the whole society. Just because someone "feels like" killing another person doesn't make it OK to do so (legally, it does, but not in the big picture).

Isn't this kind of basic? If you're not free simply to stay alive, what rights to you have at all?

Another thing that gets me is all these people saying, "If the mother was raped, we have to take our bloody revenge on the smallest kid in the room!" It's sick.

 

[unofan]

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abortion is a "right" granted by the state, thus it may be taken away. How and of that is done depend on our legislatures.
Rights granted by the Creator may never be taken away.

So you're all for less freedom so long as it involves taking away a right (in this case, the right to privacy between a patient and her physician) you don't agree with. That does not make his rebuttal to your stance false.

Not really. All the support for abortion relies on carving out exceptions to a straightforward law against murdering other people, so that it becomes legal based on the age of the victim and other things. So more regulation, special exemptions, imposed morality over common sense = big-government abortion proponents.

But putting doctors and women in jail is clearly a small government project...

If you think abortion=murder, then fine. But don't act like it's somehow a position that diminishes government power over its populace.

 

[Kepler]

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abortion is a "right" granted by the state, thus it may be taken away.

Rights are not granted by states. Rights are what's left once you eliminate all the things states can take away. Abortion itself is a medical procedure. The choice of whether to have a medical procedure is a privacy right, and those are inviolable by the states.