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Obama XXII: Occupy the White House

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Foxton said:
Tea Party members are too old to get jobs, don't be silly.
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Foxton does make a good point. $5 says the Tea Party members are the same ones b*tching in 15 years about cutting Medicare and Social Security.
 
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Foxton said:
Tea Party members are too old to get jobs, don't be silly.
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dxmnkd316 said:
Foxton does make a good point. $5 says the Tea Party members are the same ones b*tching in 15 years about cutting Medicare and Social Security.
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Or they could start now.
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dxmnkd316 said:
Foxton does make a good point. $5 says the Tea Party members are the same ones b*tching in 15 years about cutting Medicare and Social Security.
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Your saying that because we've already been through this a dozen times. The tea party is just like most self designated fiscal conservatives...cut everyone elses stuff, just not their own stuff:

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This is like reading The Onion.

Someone roll a grenade into the barn and let's leave this place like a horse on fire. Who wants Trident?
 
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Be real, appearance matters, we all know it and we all have lived with it.
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Of course I know it, and you know and I know that appearance should mean dick. It is an outdated mode of judging people and their value to a work environment. That is the only point I am making. This isnt the 1950s everyone doesnt need to look like Ward Cleaver :)

And when it is used by some self righteous internet tough guy to talk down about a group of people protesting, it is even worse. (and I felt the same about the Tea Party before they sold out) Dont like the protests that I can understand. Thinking you are superior because you dress like a Young Republican and looking down your noses at them out of some delusional sense of self importance and you are nothing but a tool. (not you walrus and not you either dx, I was using a general "you" :) )

Just my opinion...
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Agreed on all points. Even most coffee joints won't hire you if you look like that. Starbucks, Caribou, DD, Dunn Brothers, and all the others wouldn't hire someone who looks like that. Mickey Ds wouldn't hire them.

Not sure what else needs to be said. Image is everything.
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Have you ever been out of the suburbs? Go to a coffee shop in Uptown (any, including the chains) and you will see enough tattoos and piercings it will blow your mind. My boss has full sleeve tattoos at my job.

Appearance is everything was debunked when Agassi admitted he wore a rug :p
 
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Handyman said:
Of course I know it, and you know and I know that appearance should mean dick. It is an outdated mode of judging people and their value to a work environment. That is the only point I am making. This isnt the 1950s everyone doesnt need to look like Ward Cleaver :)

And when it is used by some self righteous internet tough guy to talk down about a group of people protesting, it is even worse. (and I felt the same about the Tea Party before they sold out) Dont like the protests that I can understand. Thinking you are superior because you dress like a Young Republican and looking down your noses at them out of some delusional sense of self importance and you are nothing but a tool. (not you walrus and not you either dx, I was using a general "you" :) )

Just my opinion...
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Hey Handy...just so we're clear on things...I don't like the tea baggers much either. Neither side wants whats best for the country...only what's best for themselves.
 
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Ron Paul wants to end federal student loans.

In theory, he's absolutely correct. Federal loans drove the demand for college sky-high, resulting in massive hikes in tuition. The colleges don't care if the student can't pay, they're guaranteed the money from the government. Thus, they have no incentive to lower tuition.

I'm just concerned about how it would work in practice. I just don't trust that the colleges wouldn't just keep the tuition high anyway, and only the rich would afford college, making things even worse. In order to get the drop in tuition he's seeking, enrollment would have to drop off a cliff...which I suppose could happen in 5-10 years if the price stays high as more people begin to view college as overvalued.

I cannot tell you how glad I am this issue has been brought to the forefront. This is the next bubble to pop in this country. Mark my words.
 
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Anybody around here arguing appearance doesn't/shouldn't matter remember "come clean for Gene?"
 
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Twitch Boy said:
Ron Paul wants to end federal student loans.

In theory, he's absolutely correct. Federal loans drove the demand for college sky-high, resulting in massive hikes in tuition. The colleges don't care if the student can't pay, they're guaranteed the money from the government. Thus, they have no incentive to lower tuition.

I'm just concerned about how it would work in practice. I just don't trust that the colleges wouldn't just keep the tuition high anyway, and only the rich would afford college, making things even worse. In order to get the drop in tuition he's seeking, enrollment would have to drop off a cliff...which I suppose could happen in 5-10 years if the price stays high as more people begin to view college as overvalued.

I cannot tell you how glad I am this issue has been brought to the forefront. This is the next bubble to pop in this country. Mark my words.
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There are times when I wish Paul was in the white house. And there are times when I'm thankful that he's nowhere near the white house. This position makes me extremely happy he'll never be there.

His stance of getting rid of student loans would be a disaster in terms of making this country less globally competitive. How do we keep up with other countries if there's a gate outside each American university that says that if your family doesn't have money...don't bother applying?

His top argument is something to the effect of 'why should laborers have to pay more for others to go to college.' They probably shouldn't...but rather than find a solution for the problem...his plan is to wipe it out and limit millions of Americans of the opportunity to earn more for themselves, their country and federal coffers. So is the plan to then just shift jobs currently being filled by many university graduates overseas?

In the end, Paul wants a flat tax which will shift the tax burden to the lower classes anyways...so in essence, any savings to be had would be for the affluent...yet again.

Terrible idea to say that if you don't have access to money when your 18 that you'll be behind the 8 ball your whole life. And this smacks of the corporate forsaking of long term success for a short term profit number...in terms of its affect on the US as a whole.
 
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5mn_Major said:
His stance of getting rid of student loans would be a disaster in terms of making this country less globally competitive. How do we keep up with other countries if there's a gate outside each American university that says that if your family doesn't have money...don't bother applying?
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That's the rub. How do we make sure the colleges don't just keep the prices where they are?

It's going to take a populist movement with strength in numbers saying no to college to wake colleges up. Look what it did for the BoA fee kerfuffle. OWS is a start, but it's too late for most of them. At least they got us talking about it, and some people might now realize just what they're getting into when they sign for those loans and balk.

Removing federal loans would also keep people who don't need or aren't ready for college from being cajoled into going with promises of easy loans. That was the problem in the first place. Kids with any brains are convinced by the time they're 18 that their life choices are "college" or "van down by the river." The world needs ditch diggers too. Problem is, everyone's been convinced by parents/guidance counselors to avoid being one. Who wants to shovel the poop in a utopia?
 
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Seems to me that the correct answer here is for government to make a concerted effort to provide a quality, affordable college education at state schools (or, in the event they exist, comparable for-profit schools) while not feeding into skyrocketing private school tuitions. So I'm guessing that student loans would not continue in their current form, but would not go away entirely.
 
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Craig P. said:
Seems to me that the correct answer here is for government to make a concerted effort to provide a quality, affordable college education at state schools (or, in the event they exist, comparable for-profit schools) while not feeding into skyrocketing private school tuitions. So I'm guessing that student loans would not continue in their current form, but would not go away entirely.
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I'm guessing there's some math that's not included in Paul's assessment...

As in, a known salary increase among college grads vs high school grad and that translation to more tax revenue. One could say that salaries are fixed for the US and that it would only result in higher education costs without salary increases. I doubt this as salaries would rise due to improved productivity of college grads...and that there are international jobs at play here that would just move overseas with poorer domestic education or move here from overseas with increased college educated citizens.

Long story short - it is very likely that any additional loan costs to taxpayers pay for themselves very quickly once the borrowing student gets out and starts paying taxes. And frankly who's to say if we cut college attendance by say 30% that per student costs will go down.
 
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I just got a call from a pollster on my personal cell phone.

Is this legal?
 
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