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Obama XX: Maybe We'll Even Talk About Obama

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5mn_Major said:
I hadn't heard about the Portman ruckus and I have not considered Huckabee among the most visceral characters in the GOP, the slam didn't quite smell right. Indeed, he just called it 'troubling' and showed concern that it might glamorize single parenting. I don't know that I would be bringing that up as a cornerstone issue....but I must say many of his attacks are just soft peddled comments and not slams (which I appreciate).

Having said that, Hucks comments about Obama and Kenya are 'troubling' to say the least...he has no idea of what he's talking about or he's purposefully/blatantly misleading the public. The latter is not worthy of a Christian and neither are traits you would want in a president.
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Eh. Huck's a quintessential politician. Wherever he is, he'll tell people what they want to hear. Birtherism for the base. Then he'll go on John Stewart's show and "reasonable" Joe Scarborough under the table.

Don't be fooled by the Rev. - these types have only one commandment. Thou shalt not lose.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Don't get me wrong, it was still a truly amazing rendition. I listened to it three times.



Forgive my naiveté, but I'm not getting the reference. :confused:
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Just me jumping to a conclusion, that you were ripping on the MTC. My comment had to do with General Wenck, whom Hitler was depending on for an offensive that would drive the Russians out of Berlin at the last minute. The offensive never came, of course, and it was me who was being offensive, thinking you were comparing a fine university marching band with one of the great musical organizations in history. I beg your pardon.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
While I don't really consider myself as to belonging to a denomination, Lutheranism is the one that most closely aligns with my personal beliefs. Possibly for this one reason.
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One of history's great men. Married to a lapsed nun named Catherine von Bora. Changed history, without a doubt. And yet, some of his writings are so virulently anti-Semitic, it would curl your toes. Yes, of course, you have to allow for time and place.

That history professor I mentioned earlier used to talk about the "log jam theory" of history. Human events are like logs flowing down a river. Ultimately the logs become blocked. And one lonely log floats down and hits that mass of logs just right, loosening them all and allowing the river to flow once again. Luther may be the best example of that, ever.
 
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Old Pio said:
Just me jumping to a conclusion, that you were ripping on the MTC.
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Somewhere in the dimmest recesses of my memory there are MTC Christmas concerts broadcast on national TV.

I was privileged to hear them practice on one of my trips to SLC. They are amazing. Also, the sound system in that place would make The Who blush.
 
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So Walker wants to kill the unions, override federal Medicaid regulations and throw thousands off the rolls. But there is good news!

As In These Times’s Lindsay Beyerstein notes, this new provision in the budget is coupled with another policy which seems darkly ironic when seen alongside these Medicaid cuts. The Walker budget “recommends increasing payments to counties to cover the costs of burying Wisconsinites who die destitute” — one of the few major increases in spending to be found in the document. Indeed, on page 248 of the governor’s Health and Human Services budget, Walker recommends an “increase” in “funeral and cemetery aids”:
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`If they would rather die,'' said Scrooge, ``they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population.`
 
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If there wasn't enough reasons to figure our time in Afghanistan has long since past...here's a few more:

Afghan President Rejects U.S. Apology Over Killings

Afghanistan's president on Sunday rejected a U.S. apology for the mistaken killing of nine Afghan boys in a NATO air attack and said civilian casualties are no longer acceptable.

According to a statement from his office, Hamid Karzai told Gen. David Petraeus, the top commander of coalition forces in Afghanistan, that expressing regret was not sufficient in last week's killing of the boys, ages 12 and under, by coalition helicopters.

NATO has also apologized for the mistaken killings. Civilian casualties from coalition operations are a major source of strain in the already difficult relationship between Karzai's government and the United States, and they generate widespread outrage among the population.
 
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Old Pio said:
One of history's great men. Married to a lapsed nun named Catherine von Bora. Changed history, without a doubt. And yet, some of his writings are so virulently anti-Semitic, it would curl your toes. Yes, of course, you have to allow for time and place.
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If everything attributed to Luther were actually written by him, he would have needed hundreds of lifetimes. He did translate the Bible to German, wrote a mess of biblical commentaries and the catechisms. Other books were compiled of his sermons. Near the end of his life, he complained about all the writings being printed as his by the various hundreds of Protestant groups springing up all over Europe, saying "if they're changing my words even now while I live, imagine what they'll do when I'm dead." There are certain books ("The Jews and Their Lies") that are still in print under his name and popular with neo-nazis as manuals of hate, which have nothing to do with his teaching.
 
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We always said Afghanistan and Iraq would no longer be occupations when their governments gave us the finger. We haven't even had a national dialog on ending the wars (really ending them not just rebranding the forces as "advisors"). The GOP was never able to swallow that pill before, but perhaps enough time has passed and the cast of characters has changed enough. If nothing else, the (idiotic) way they chose to fight the "GWOT" was ruinously expensive. If the deficit hawks are at all sincere, they should be jumping all over it as a place to cut hundreds of billions in federal waste.

Not to mention the security state is the gravest threat to American liberty in our history.
 
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geezer said:
If everything attributed to Luther were actually written by him, he would have needed hundreds of lifetimes. He did translate the Bible to German, wrote a mess of biblical commentaries and the catechisms. Other books were compiled of his sermons. Near the end of his life, he complained about all the writings being printed as his by the various hundreds of Protestant groups springing up all over Europe, saying "if they're changing my words even now while I live, imagine what they'll do when I'm dead." There are certain books ("The Jews and Their Lies") that are still in print under his name and popular with neo-nazis as manuals of hate, which have nothing to do with his teaching.
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Along with the "Protocols," I suppose. Didn't know that. Are you saying his reputation for anti-Semitism is exaggerated or undeserved?
 
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Kepler said:
Somewhere in the dimmest recesses of my memory there are MTC Christmas concerts broadcast on national TV.

I was privileged to hear them practice on one of my trips to SLC. They are amazing. Also, the sound system in that place would make The Who blush.
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What's that line the owner of the Redskins had about his head coach, George Allen? We gave him an unlimited budget, and he's already exceeded it.
 
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Kepler said:
Somewhere in the dimmest recesses of my memory there are MTC Christmas concerts broadcast on national TV.

I was privileged to hear them practice on one of my trips to SLC. They are amazing. Also, the sound system in that place would make The Who blush.
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There's a big statue of Brigham Young outside the temple in SLC. And he has his arm extended. As in, "follow me." Subsequent to its construction, a bank was opened across the street. And certain people with bad attitudes suggest Brigham's extended hand is a request for money.
 
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Old Pio said:
There's a big statue of Brigham Young outside the temple in SLC. And he has his arm extended. As in, "follow me." Subsequent to its construction, a bank was opened across the street. And certain people with bad attitudes suggest Brigham's extended hand is a request for money.
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He's also donning a heathen beard in that statue if memory serves me right.
 
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Old Pio said:
Oh my
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Could be worse though. He could have been in a picture with long hair, an untrimmed beard, and mutton chops. Wait? What's that? Oh dear...

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dxmnkd316 said:
He's also donning a heathen beard in that statue if memory serves me right.
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Wait. What's heathen about the beard? I've always thought of the long straggly numbers as fundamental to fundamentalism: John Brown, Brigham Young, the Amish, Orthdox Jews, the Taliban... all the guys who preach that the Sabbath runs 24/7.

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dxmnkd316 said:
Ever read their honor code? There is no less than five or six sentences about having head hair trimmed.
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Oh. Huh. That doesn't sound religious, though. Just protecting The Brand, like IBM's famous dress code.
 
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Kepler said:
Oh. Huh. That doesn't sound religious, though. Just protecting The Brand, like IBM's famous dress code.
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Hard to protect the brand when the guy you named your school after looks like he sauntered out of Haight-Ashbury.
 
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