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Obama XX: Maybe We'll Even Talk About Obama

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I wholeheartedly agree.

Which, of course, is why the Wisconsin bill does not meddle with existing contracts. It sets the parameters for new contracts.
 
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WeWantMore said:
Huh, that's an interesting take. Still, if we are to have double standards (and I guess we shouldn't really), isn't that the type of double standard we want to have?
If so, then I think Forde's point still holds. In the same week people are working themselves into a tizzy about the CBS/SI "investigation", shouldn't we be happy that athletes (probably the most notable representatives of many universities) are held to higher standard?
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Another interesting take, from a practicing Mormon:
Self-righteous != Righteous (paraphrased)
 
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BTW, USCHO commentariat, I can't believe that Hillary made a public statement suggesting that Al Jazeera-English has more integrity than American cable news . . . and this place isn't all over her. Maybe it's the palm trees. Or did I miss the thread?

BTW BTW, In a spirit of fairness, let me say that Lawrence O'Donnel's show on MSNBC is quite possibly the most wretched of them all. He may not go to the same lengths stretching the truth that some of his counterparts do . . . he's just terrible at his job. I'm left of center - at least on many domestic issues - and I can't make it through Last Word.

I should have known better than to try. Evenings are for sports (and baseball is getting closer).
 
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I hadn't heard that she said that. I have no issue with her ripping on the US cable media, but like I mentioned in the Egypt thread a while ago, I have a real problem with then turning around and praising Al Jazeera. I mean, people rip on US channels for "owned" by different organizations, but Al Jazeera is literally owned by the Qatari government. The same Qatari government with an affinity for locking up gay people. Let's not pretend it's without its own severe biases.

"You may not agree with it, but you feel like you're getting real news around the clock instead of a million commercials and, you know, arguments between talking heads, and the kind of stuff that we do on our news," Clinton said. "Which, you know, is not particularly informative to us, let alone foreigners."
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I think that's all true.
 
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The usual suspects around here think AJ is AQ misspelled. I'm sure they'll go ape**** over it. I mean, they use Arabic on their logo, that makes them terrorists, right?

But of course, you could literally paste anything under Hillary's name and they'd have the same reaction.

AJE has been an excellent resource throughout this. And it's always healthy to get another culture's perspective on issues -- it helps break down the walls of parochialism. (Even though in this case the other culture is Brit ex-pats who answered World Bank job ads in The Economist. It's hardly the Arab street.)
 
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Kepler said:
I know you're trying to pick a fight here and ordinarily I'd oblige, but I have no idea what you're on about. Could you spell out your outrage for those of us who are a little slow this morning? (I would put the confused emoticon but I don't know the code, and why did they take the little doohickeys away anyway? -- they were useful)

Edit: this one maybe? :-/

Edit2: nope. Those are the yahoo emoticons. This one? O.o

Edit3: Hmph. I give up. :confused:

Edit4: Winning! (Duh.)
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Actually I wasn't. Just thinking how much fun you'd have poking fun at the LDS church, and you've obliged. I spent a year at Hill Air Force Base in Utah, living in Ogden. And it was a mixed experience. I was never proselytized. Never had anyone get that "look" on their face when I bought anything considered taboo by the church. Never had anyone hector me in public for my sinful ways. I placed my car insurance with an All State agent who happily informed me he was "the only non LSD agent in the state." I suggested he meant to say LDS. He replied: "what's the difference, they're both hallucinogenic." Think about this guy. He gets to tell that joke every day to unsuspecting AF dudes who come into his office. And he gets a laugh every single time.

I was assigned to a small unit at that gigantic base and just by "co-incidence," the officer in charge and the top civilian employee had both graduated from BYU, and had been ROOMMATES. Yet these were two very nice guys who never mentioned their religion and certainly never tried to recruit anyone.

And from personal experience, I can tell you that any of the customary vices were practiced with enthusiasm in Salt Lake City. At the time, the church owned the Olympia brewery. Naturally, my social circle was mostly AF people, and religiously, we were an eclectic bunch. But I came away with a little better understanding of what LDS people were like. And even though I find the tenets of their religion to be literally unbelievable (well, the golden tablets just disappeared), my time in Utah was not unhappy. I wasn't confronted daily with robotic purveyors of their faith and came away with a more tolerant view of LDS people. I would recommend that some folks posting here should try to be a little more tolerant, too. Just dial back a little on the snark is all I'm suggesting. Oh, and don't overlook that choir. Their versiion of Battle Hymn of the Republic can raise the dead.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpZ3jPMM5Ac



BTW, in his dementia, Howard Hughes surrounded himself with LDS people, 'cause he trusted 'em.
 
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One of the things that's troubling is that people see a Natalie Portman or some other Hollywood starlet who boasts of, 'Hey look, you know, we're having children, we're not married, but we're having these children, and they're doing just fine.
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If Natalie Portman is this generation's Murphy Brown, then Mike Huckabee is this generation's Dan Quayle.
 
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Whatever point Huckabee had, and I think there's a decent one in there somewhere, he picked about the worst possible target considering Portman is actually marrying the father of the kid.

On the bright side, hey, it's not even the dumbest thing he said this week.
 
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WeWantMore said:
Whatever point Huckabee had, and I think there's a decent one in there somewhere, he picked about the worst possible target considering Portman is actually marrying the father of the kid.

On the bright side, hey, it's not even the dumbest thing he said this week.
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I'm nominally on his side of the aisle. But he has always sort of creeped me out. Like one of those local late night car guys: "Come on down to Fordtown. . ." But he's not stupid. And it's hard for me to believe his reference to Kenya was a mistake. More likely, red meat for the "base." This is a variation of a favorite Nixon technique: "There are many people who say Robert Byrd sniffs bicycle seats, but I would never say such a thing."

Like all conspiracy theories, "birthers" infer subjective motivation from objective result. And, like all conspiracy theories, they have no direct evidence. If Obama was born somewhere else, produce his birth certificate from there, or shut the h*ll up. This is a silly, childish distraction. The guy is POTUS, fair and square. Not the way I wanted it to come out, but them's the breaks.
 
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Old Pio said:
Actually I wasn't. Just thinking how much fun you'd have poking fun at the LDS church, and you've obliged. I spent a year at Hill Air Force Base in Utah, living in Ogden. And it was a mixed experience. I was never proselytized. Never had anyone get that "look" on their face when I bought anything considered taboo by the church. Never had anyone hector me in public for my sinful ways. I placed my car insurance with an All State agent who happily informed me he was "the only non LSD agent in the state." I suggested he meant to say LDS. He replied: "what's the difference, they're both hallucinogenic." Think about this guy. He gets to tell that joke every day to unsuspecting AF dudes who come into his office. And he gets a laugh every single time.

I was assigned to a small unit at that gigantic base and just by "co-incidence," the officer in charge and the top civilian employee had both graduated from BYU, and had been ROOMMATES. Yet these were two very nice guys who never mentioned their religion and certainly never tried to recruit anyone.

And from personal experience, I can tell you that any of the customary vices were practiced with enthusiasm in Salt Lake City. At the time, the church owned the Olympia brewery. Naturally, my social circle was mostly AF people, and religiously, we were an eclectic bunch. But I came away with a little better understanding of what LDS people were like. And even though I find the tenets of their religion to be literally unbelievable (well, the golden tablets just disappeared), my time in Utah was not unhappy. I wasn't confronted daily with robotic purveyors of their faith and came away with a more tolerant view of LDS people. I would recommend that some folks posting here should try to be a little more tolerant, too. Just dial back a little on the snark is all I'm suggesting. Oh, and don't overlook that choir. Their versiion of Battle Hymn of the Republic can raise the dead.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpZ3jPMM5Ac



BTW, in his dementia, Howard Hughes surrounded himself with LDS people, 'cause he trusted 'em.
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I think if you actually read my posts you'd see we're on the same page on them. The congregation is fine and much of what they do is admirable. The Church as an institution is midway between a racket and the C of C but meh so was the Vatican for hundreds of years.
 
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Kepler said:
I think if you actually read my posts you'd see we're on the same page on them. The congregation is fine and much of what they do is admirable. The Church as an institution is midway between a racket and the C of C but meh so was the Vatican for hundreds of years.
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I actually read them, thank you very much. And there was some snark levening the verbiage. But no matter. One of my majors at DU was history. And the chairman emeritus of the department once told me the story of an LDS friend of his who had fallen behind in his pledges. Letter followed letter asking him to correct the problem. 'Til finally the guy got a letter announcing that "his place in heaven had been revoked."
 
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Old Pio said:
I actually read them, thank you very much. And there was some snark levening the verbiage. But no matter. One of my majors at DU was history. And the chairman emeritus of the department once told me the story of an LDS friend of his who had fallen behind in his pledges. Letter followed letter asking him to correct the problem. 'Til finally the guy got a letter announcing that "his place in heaven had been revoked."
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As to the Roman Catholic Church, I've always been torn between The Donation of Constantine or indulgences as being the worst abuse. The former being a forged document the church used for centuries to substantiate its claims for the Papal States. The latter being a system where rich dudes made donations to liberate them from the responsibility of sin, in advance. Prepaid sin cards. "Faddah, how much sin can I commit for 5,000 pieces of gold?" Martin Luther for sure took exception to the practice.
 
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Old Pio said:
As to the Roman Catholic Church, I've always been torn between The Donation of Constantine or indulgences as being the worst abuse. The former being a forged document the church used for centuries to substantiate its claims for the Papal States. The latter being a system where rich dudes made donations to liberate them from the responsibility of sin, in advance. Prepaid sin cards. "Faddah, how much sin can I commit for 5,000 pieces of gold?" Martin Luther for sure took exception to the practice.
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While I don't really consider myself as to belonging to a denomination, Lutheranism is the one that most closely aligns with my personal beliefs. Possibly for this one reason.
 
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WeWantMore said:
Whatever point Huckabee had, and I think there's a decent one in there somewhere, he picked about the worst possible target considering Portman is actually marrying the father of the kid.

On the bright side, hey, it's not even the dumbest thing he said this week.
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I hadn't heard about the Portman ruckus and I have not considered Huckabee among the most visceral characters in the GOP, the slam didn't quite smell right. Indeed, he just called it 'troubling' and showed concern that it might glamorize single parenting. I don't know that I would be bringing that up as a cornerstone issue....but I must say many of his attacks are just soft peddled comments and not slams (which I appreciate).

Having said that, Hucks comments about Obama and Kenya are 'troubling' to say the least...he has no idea of what he's talking about or he's purposefully/blatantly misleading the public. The latter is not worthy of a Christian and neither are traits you would want in a president.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
That was good and all, but not the the version that tasted the most sweet. That honor goes to the University of Minnesota Marching Band after a sweep of Wisconsin or North Dakota.
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Well, I guess it's a matter of perspective. BTW, when is General Wenck planning to attack? :D
 
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