Obama XX: Maybe We'll Even Talk About Obama

[Priceless]

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Yup, these people attacking public pensions are definitely right wing.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/06/opinion/06sun1.html



(Waits patiently to be told just how right-wing the NYT editorial board is.)

Unlike Gov. Scott Walker of Wisconsin, Governor Cuomo is not trying to break the unions. He is pressing them to accept a salary freeze and a reduction in benefits for new workers. The unions need to negotiate seriously.

We are also urging the governor to rethink his pledge to cap property taxes and allow a tax surcharge on high incomes to expire at the end of this year. That would bring the state an additional $2 billion this fiscal year, and $4 billion the following year — not enough to solve the fiscal crisis, but a serious down payment.

**** liberals.

 

[WeWantMore]

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Don't know what that proves exactly. My post was directed at those who keep blathering on about how "Right-wingers" hate the middle class because they want more reasonable public sector benefits. As I've said time and again, it's not even close to being divided that way. Here we have the NYT agreeing that, yes, these benefits are out of control and need to be reined in. The only two groups on this issue are those who realize we have a big problem and those who don't. It's not about parties or ideologies this time.

 

[Foxton]

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Yup, these people attacking public pensions are definitely right wing.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/06/opinion/06sun1.html

(Waits patiently to be told just how right-wing the NYT editorial board is.)

NY is WI now?

Also

Unlike Gov. Scott Walker of Wisconsin, Governor Cuomo is not trying to break the unions. He is pressing them to accept a salary freeze and a reduction in benefits for new workers. The unions need to negotiate seriously.

Oh and I'm sure you agree with these sentiments then.

We are also urging the governor to rethink his pledge to cap property taxes and allow a tax surcharge on high incomes to expire at the end of this year. That would bring the state an additional $2 billion this fiscal year, and $4 billion the following year — not enough to solve the fiscal crisis, but a serious down payment.

The state’s middle-class workers will have to make real sacrifices. New York’s many wealthy residents, all of whom are benefiting substantially from a new federal tax break, should have to pay their fair share as well.

 

[WeWantMore]

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NY is WI now?

Uh, no. But public pensions are a problem all over the country. That's the point. I'm merely providing another in a long, long, long, string of examples of how it's hardly just "right-wingers" who are able to recognize this.

 

[Priceless]

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Uh, no. But public pensions are a problem all over the country. That's the point. I'm merely providing another in a long, long, long, string of examples of how it's hardly just "right-wingers" who are able to recognize this.

Some people (liberals) aren't trying to break the unions and tell retirees to pound sand. Some (regressives) are trying to break the unions, telling retirees and new hires alike to pound sand while they make things cushy for their political backers. But hey, at least the state will help provide a funeral, so that's a step above China.

 

[WeWantMore]

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Yes, of course, the governors that do recognize the problem are of course choosing to handle it in different ways, that's why we have different states. Again though, that was never the point of posting the article.

The point was to address those who can't even comprehend that we have a problem. Even the NYT can now understand that we do. Perhaps others will see the light down the line.

 

[Foxton]

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The point was to address those who can't even comprehend that we have a problem. Even the NYT can now understand that we do. Perhaps others will see the light down the line.

Hasn't it been pointed out repeatedly that the union in WI is willing to work compromise because they know that there is a problem? Only that a certain someone has to have bargaining gone or everything is a wash? (Even though there are so many more problem with that school budget than just removing that)

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/jan-june11/wisconsin_02-21.html

Seriously, where are these liberal moonbat "knuckledraggers" who are saying there is no problem?

 

[WeWantMore]

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They only started admitting there was a problem when their move to jam through new sweetheart deals late in December failed. They didn't seem to acknowledge the problem then. Regardless, that's not really who I was talking about.

I'm talking, again, of those who say touching public pensions = war on the middle class. Google that phrase with public pensions, some delightful results.

Or, more specifically, look at New Jersey. The governor asks for a 1.5% contribution to teachers pensions from the teachers (not touching collective bargaining at all), and people cried bloody murder. Praying for him to die (jokingly?) etc. etc.

I'd say those people fall into the category of not accepting the problem, wouldn't you?

 

[Priceless]

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Seriously, where are these liberal moonbat "knuckledraggers" who are saying there is no problem?

In his imagination.

 

[Handyman]

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They only started admitting there was a problem when their move to jam through new sweetheart deals late in December failed. They didn't seem to acknowledge the problem then. Regardless, that's not really who I was talking about.

I'm talking, again, of those who say touching public pensions = war on the middle class. Google that phrase with public pensions, some delightful results.

Or, more specifically, look at New Jersey. The governor asks for a 1.5% contribution to teachers pensions from the teachers (not touching collective bargaining at all), and people cried bloody murder. Praying for him to die (jokingly?) etc. etc.

I'd say those people fall into the category of not accepting the problem, wouldn't you?

Ya know for someone who complains about others moving the goalposts back you sure do seem to do it as well...

At least you finally admit the union your Governor is trying to break admits there is a problem...I guess that is kind of progress even if you felt the need to qualify it. Maybe by this time next year you will see what pretty much everyone who isnt too close to the forest to see the trees already sees, that Walker doesnt give hind teet about balancing the budget he wants to bust the union because they support Dems. (ya know just like the GOP busted Acorn and is now going after Planned Parenthood and a bevy of Dem examples as well) It is a power grab just like everything else every politician does, it is gerrymandering in another costume...if he cared about balancing the books he would be...wait for it...INCREASING REVENUES! Last I checked he isnt raising taxes...that is like trying to earn more salary by quitting your job.

Just admit it...most of us will let it go if you just admit all he cares about is busting the union. You are starting to sound like the echo chamber on both sides who just nod in agreement with whatever their side says even if it makes absolute zero sense. (like how 50k is too much but 250k is ****ed near poverty and you cant live on it)

 

[Bakunin]

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Seriously, where are these liberal moonbat "knuckledraggers" who are saying there is no problem?

Michael Moore visited WI and claimed America is awash in wealth and that there's plenty of money to pay out all the benefits / pensions.

 

[Carter]

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They only started admitting there was a problem when their move to jam through new sweetheart deals late in December failed. They didn't seem to acknowledge the problem then. Regardless, that's not really who I was talking about.

I'm talking, again, of those who say touching public pensions = war on the middle class. Google that phrase with public pensions, some delightful results.

Or, more specifically, look at New Jersey. The governor asks for a 1.5% contribution to teachers pensions from the teachers (not touching collective bargaining at all), and people cried bloody murder. Praying for him to die (jokingly?) etc. etc.

I'd say those people fall into the category of not accepting the problem, wouldn't you?

Man, I was glad to see this post. You've actually had me wondering if you knew what you were talking about, and it's now clear that you don't. The December contracts were NOT sweetheart deals and they were 1-1/2 years late in coming up for approval. You are simply dishonest.

 

[geezer]

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Along with the "Protocols," I suppose. Didn't know that. Are you saying his reputation for anti-Semitism is exaggerated or undeserved?

I think it is probably the former. I'm not a Reformation scholar, but reading the quote of Luther's I paraphrased was once an eye-opening moment for me: "just because it's in print, ...."

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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They only started admitting there was a problem when their move to jam through new sweetheart deals late in December failed. They didn't seem to acknowledge the problem then. Regardless, that's not really who I was talking about.

I'm talking, again, of those who say touching public pensions = war on the middle class. Google that phrase with public pensions, some delightful results.

Or, more specifically, look at New Jersey. The governor asks for a 1.5% contribution to teachers pensions from the teachers (not touching collective bargaining at all), and people cried bloody murder. Praying for him to die (jokingly?) etc. etc.

I'd say those people fall into the category of not accepting the problem, wouldn't you?

Too funny. Just like when the people making over 200,000 a year SCREAMED bloody murder over 3%? There's a class warfare battle going on but only one side is winning.

 

[MinnFan]

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Too funny. Just like when the people making over 200,000 a year SCREAMED bloody murder over 3%? There's a class warfare battle going on but only one side is winning.

Only in the mind of a liberal could you have a group of people making 20% of the income while paying 40% of the income tax and think that their losing the class warfare battle.

 

[unofan]

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Only in the mind of a liberal could you have a group of people making 20% of the income while paying 40% of the income tax and think that their losing the class warfare battle.

So...you're saying you'd rather be making $30,000/year than $200,000/year?

 

[MinnFan]

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So...you're saying you'd rather be making $30,000/year than $200,000/year?

What does that have to do with the percentage that is confiscated?

 

[Priceless]

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Confiscated?

Oh, right. All taxes are theft.

Never mind.

 

[MinnFan]

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Confiscated?

Oh, right. All taxes are theft.

Never mind.

Who's money is it to being with? What happens if you don't pay?

 

[Priceless]

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Who's money is it to being with?

Listening to the governor of Wisconsin, it's the taxpayers' money. The fact that the laborers actually provided a service to the public is irrelevant. So I'm not sure whose money it is to begin with.