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Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!

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If you hold spending in check (or even cut it) you shouldn't need tax hikes.

Balancing the budget

Yeah, that's essentially the same thing, just over a longer period of time since taxes would inevitably increase in nominal terms due to inflation while spending levels stay flat (decreasing in real terms due to the same inflation).

As scooby pointed out though, good luck putting a 2% spending cap on everything, from grandma's SS check and medicare procedures (death panels!) to military budgets (you unpatriotic bastard!) and education (think of the children!).

And it still ignores the reality that most people like having roads to drive on and a military protecting our borders. The moderate majority would probably rather keep some of that even if it meant higher taxes.
 
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"There are two novels that can change a bookish 14-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other is about orcs."

I've only had that on my signature line for a year now. Thanks for noticing.

The quote isn't pulled from Atlas Shrugged. Its just the truth of what gov't does. Of course none of this has anything to do with the current discussion.

BTW - weren't you giving up political threads:confused:
 
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As scooby pointed out though, good luck putting a 2% spending cap on everything, from grandma's SS check and medicare procedures (death panels!) to military budgets (you unpatriotic bastard!) and education (think of the children!).
It's not even that. The amount of people on Social Security are increasing over time while the amount of people paying in is decreasing. A 2% growth cap on entitlements does nothing to balance the budget.
 
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The government only has two basic ways to handle the overall debt. Default on it, or try and inflate it away. While the first is probably more prudent, the second is the likely choice. In the near term, the Fed is artificially keeping interest rates low but eventually we're going to see much higher effects of inflation; hopefully if won't be hyper-inflation. As far as deficits go, tax increases are pretty meaningless unless spending is brought under control, painful as that may be.
 
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You forgot Baby Jesus says will have a double dip to punish us. :p

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Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!

Fine. He's from the suburbs of St Paul and is one of those guys who called O a socialist weekly after he got elected (I nearly knocked off the friendship I got so tired of it). Now he's running for state house...and has a pretty good shot at it. He laughed about how he just used Rush socialist economic and social conservative talking points in his interview with the baggers...and they ate it up. From our discussion, these guys are not just light independent minded fiscal conservatives...at least in Minnesota, they bring a hardcore social conservative platform.

So, he has a low opinion of the "baggers", yet he felt the need to pander for their endorsement?

This is most definitely the kind of politician we need more of.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
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http://edition.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/10/05/new.york.terror.plot/?hpt=T1

Mike Bloomberg's favorite TPer, unhappy about Obamacare, sentenced to life today. Read the article and ask youself, how many more just like him are out there. Seemingly assimilated, naturalized, "normal" yet willing to kill as many of us as possible. That's the security threat we face in a nutshell. So far we've been lucky, very lucky.
 
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The only thing I heard they liked all weekend when this was discussed was the part about not being dropped, and not being denied for preexisting conditions.

I can see not being dropped... but not being denied? That one will always be fiscally infeasible without a high deductable or some other way that the person wanting the care pays through the nose.

Here's the thing... companies only exist if they make a profit or if the mechanism tolerates taking losses... but eventually it is still a company... either somebody has to push money into it or it goes bankrupt.

Equal and opposite, with the government, they could ensure all things, but if you want to get your medical condition paid for, good luck, you're running against the same tax payer who doesn't want to pay for it in their taxes. Further, the problem doesn't change, its always going to be finite resources. For that the government sets up mechanisms which dictate allowable care... for everybody. That to say, yes there will be some care they will not allow. The question will be "Can you operate outside of the system"... "if so what is the penalty"... those who advocate universal health care don't want people outside of the system because 1) it is about control, 2) deviations from the system creates uncontrollable events, 3) many of those who want universal health care see any outside mechanism which relates to profit is a default evil. In Britain, if you go outside their system you can never go back onto it... accept or else.

In the end, you're trading realities... medicine gets expensive because of bloat, profit taking, and the costs of operating and research (if profit does not exist then drugs do not exist, treatments do not exist, etc)... and there's only a finite mechanism for the betterment of man... your researcher isn't going to take $30K a year of the greater good... he/she is doing the greater good to get paid. The bottom line... the realities never go away because you've legally defined a more moral system.

The goal should be to find ways to make medicine more efficient. I think the gains by dismantling the private system will be meager... or else Dr. Berwick wouldn't be talking about the glories of not giving care to those in end-of-life cases... need to save money... and lets face it, they did implement that system without you noticing. The thing is, companies have no interest in efficiency or competition, it doesn't pay them... that's where the corruption originates... and in a lot of ways, that won't change by anything that's been proposed.

But back to the original point... "no pre-existing conditions" more or less means "no private health care" without some controls on that object... and that will mean the gov't will probably have to cushion some of the cost coverage. In a gov't set up, however, they will just deny the care outright... and maybe they'll let your doctor decide otherwise.

edit: the problem with health care is that we all want more and we don't want to pay for it... the great thing about government health care is we'll all want more and they'll tell us to stuff it... and there you go... prices level out. Don't expect business to be a charity.
 
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It's not even that. The amount of people on Social Security are increasing over time while the amount of people paying in is decreasing. A 2% growth cap on entitlements does nothing to balance the budget.

I think the estimated number was around 20% of population in 2020 from 15% now or something like that. unless we increase our life expectancy or birthrate, immigration declines drastically it should become stable.

If you could cap at 2% and our growth rate stays above that then we'll balance the budget. But it's not going to happen.
 
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I think the estimated number was around 20% of population in 2020 from 15% now or something like that. unless we increase our life expectancy or birthrate, immigration declines drastically it should become stable.

If you could cap at 2% and our growth rate stays above that then we'll balance the budget. But it's not going to happen.

None of the three big entitlement programs (Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid) will ever become stable in their current form. They are on unsustainable paths.
 
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So, he has a low opinion of the "baggers", yet he felt the need to pander for their endorsement?

This is most definitely the kind of politician we need more of.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I'm not working on his campaign...his annoying side is that he's a typical conservative that complains every day about socialists. But its a relationship thats had benefits for both of us. He has given me some interesting insights about how the baggers have already often pushed so called fiscal conservatism to the back burner.
 
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http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/248882/defensive-jihad-eye-beholder-andy-mccarthy

Apologies for being "pregnant with celestial fire" today, but we're in a war here, and it's just a matter of time before we lose another battle.

One of the biggest challenges we face today.

But the guy lost me at the start of the second paragraph where he started to indict all of Islam. There are 5ish million American Muslims...and how many have committed terrorist acts?

If one doesn't understand the problem...one is utterly incapable of finding a solution.
 
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I'm not working on his campaign...his annoying side is that he's a typical conservative that complains every day about socialists. But its a relationship thats had benefits for both of us. He has given me some interesting insights about how the baggers have already often pushed so called fiscal conservatism to the back burner.

I'm not saying you're working on his campaign, I'm saying you're making him up entirely.
 
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I'm not saying you're working on his campaign, I'm saying you're making him up entirely.

St Paul suburbs, no current college degree, going for the state house, mid thirties. Yup made up the whole thing.
 
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The leaders aren't stupid; "Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public."

The people who actually believe Glenn Beck and Co. though? They're as stupid as those who were brainwashed by Obama the last go 'round.

(and before you start: Yes I voted for Obama, but only because McCain forced me to when he chose Palin as V.P. - no way in hell was I putting her one step from the White House with an old man who could croak any moment at the helm)

So, your argument remains "I'm better than everyone else."

Brilliant. You deserve Obama.
 
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One of the biggest challenges we face today.

But the guy lost me at the start of the second paragraph where he started to indict all of Islam. There are 5ish million American Muslims...and how many have committed terrorist acts?

If one doesn't understand the problem...one is utterly incapable of finding a solution.

How many does it take?
 
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