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Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
But the recession has been over for a year
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Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
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Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
I understand the sentiment about the pitched battles. As a side note, I do think a standing army of the size (to say nothing of the nature and location) is not the answer. Look at WWII, the US ramped up in a hurry and did just fine. Frankly the military needs a whole new approach.
Fine. He's from the suburbs of St Paul and is one of those guys who called O a socialist weekly after he got elected (I nearly knocked off the friendship I got so tired of it). Now he's running for state house...and has a pretty good shot at it. He laughed about how he just used Rush socialist economic and social conservative talking points in his interview with the baggers...and they ate it up. From our discussion, these guys are not just light independent minded fiscal conservatives...at least in Minnesota, they bring a hardcore social conservative platform.
I understand the sentiment about the pitched battles. As a side note, I do think a standing army of the size (to say nothing of the nature and location) is not the answer. Look at WWII, the US ramped up in a hurry and did just fine. Frankly the military needs a whole new approach.
Fine. He's from the suburbs of St Paul and is one of those guys who called O a socialist weekly after he got elected (I nearly knocked off the friendship I got so tired of it). Now he's running for state house...and has a pretty good shot at it. He laughed about how he just used Rush socialist economic and social conservative talking points in his interview with the baggers...and they ate it up. From our discussion, these guys are not just light independent minded fiscal conservatives...at least in Minnesota, they bring a hardcore social conservative platform.
Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
Agreed on the overcoming opposition point. Weak Senate leadership has been a Dem problem for a long time.
However, while I share your pessimism I'll also add that the GOP has already signaled two things they will push as a majority party. 1) is extending all Bush era tax cuts, so right there they've telegraphed that they're not going to even try to meet your criteria. 2) is a mountain of pointless investigations, much like what happened the last time they were in power. With the problems the country's facing, multiple fishing expeditions with no goal except for TV face time will be a disaster.
While I'm no fan of Gingrich, you have to give him credit in 1994 for having a clear and concise plan of action during the campaign which his caucus was on board with. This current crop is running on tax cuts for the rich and rolling back regulations, the two very problems that got us into this fiscal mess in the first place. They're not being deceptive; they've openly declared their intentions. If Teabaggers wanted change, they should have primaried Boehner and McConnell. What these guys are offering is only going to make things worse.
Agreed on the overcoming opposition point. Weak Senate leadership has been a Dem problem for a long time.
However, while I share your pessimism I'll also add that the GOP has already signaled two things they will push as a majority party. 1) is extending all Bush era tax cuts, so right there they've telegraphed that they're not going to even try to meet your criteria. 2) is a mountain of pointless investigations, much like what happened the last time they were in power. With the problems the country's facing, multiple fishing expeditions with no goal except for TV face time will be a disaster.
While I'm no fan of Gingrich, you have to give him credit in 1994 for having a clear and concise plan of action during the campaign which his caucus was on board with. This current crop is running on tax cuts for the rich and rolling back regulations, the two very problems that got us into this fiscal mess in the first place. They're not being deceptive; they've openly declared their intentions. If Teabaggers wanted change, they should have primaried Boehner and McConnell. What these guys are offering is only going to make things worse.
ScoobyDoo
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Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
And 1 will do nothing but increase the debt. It did nothing to create jobs or more wealth for the middle class the last 8 years and that won't change now.
And 2 will do nothing but tick off the electorate.
We're done. Most of us have known that for years but instead of calling the fire dept. we keep throwing gas on the fire.
And 1 will do nothing but increase the debt. It did nothing to create jobs or more wealth for the middle class the last 8 years and that won't change now.
And 2 will do nothing but tick off the electorate.
We're done. Most of us have known that for years but instead of calling the fire dept. we keep throwing gas on the fire.
Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
Yeah, Kepler didn't want to think about that one, he agreed with the DAR.
Incidentally, neither did 5mn or his imaginary friend.
Yeah, Kepler didn't want to think about that one, he agreed with the DAR.
Incidentally, neither did 5mn or his imaginary friend.
unofan
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Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
Isn't that the problem though?
I agree with environmentalists to the extent we should try to have as little waste as possible, but the extremes that control the "green movement" mean I can never support them fully.
I'm all for a balanced budget despite knowing the pain it will cause short term, but the tea party is such a loony bin of kooks I can't support them, either.
Isn't that the problem though?
I agree with environmentalists to the extent we should try to have as little waste as possible, but the extremes that control the "green movement" mean I can never support them fully.
I'm all for a balanced budget despite knowing the pain it will cause short term, but the tea party is such a loony bin of kooks I can't support them, either.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
Every time you're given a chance... sigh. Back you go.
Every time you're given a chance... sigh. Back you go.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
Well, I think of it this way. The ship of state is a huge burning oil tanker with immense momentum. Even when these movements spin the wheel furiously, the resultant change in direction is tiny. So the first question I'm going to ask about a movement is, do we need to move in that direction? Oversteering isn't usually our problem. It can happen -- the Reagan tax code readjustment was classic oversteering -- but it's very rare.
Right now the three serious problems we have are, in order of importance, (1) destroying the biosphere (2) destroying the country from without by becoming the 21st century Evil Empire and (3) destroying the country from within by pursuing ruinously irresponsible tax cuts and spending.
So pretty much anybody who's fighting those three things, even if they'd struggle to get a GED with two tutors and the answer key, should get our support insofar as they have the right idea. So, the TP is right on spending while being wrong on taxes. The greens are right on the environment while being wrong on spending. And, I dunno, the anti-globalization freaks are right on dismantling the empire while being on wrong on everything else and needing a bath.
It's not as if an alert and intelligent person is going to buy even a major party's platform in its entirety. Show me a politician with a 100% rating from any organization and I'll show you a good soldier who knows how to hold his party together. But show me a voter with that same 100% rating and I'll show you either a shill, a con artist, or a dope.
Well, I think of it this way. The ship of state is a huge burning oil tanker with immense momentum. Even when these movements spin the wheel furiously, the resultant change in direction is tiny. So the first question I'm going to ask about a movement is, do we need to move in that direction? Oversteering isn't usually our problem. It can happen -- the Reagan tax code readjustment was classic oversteering -- but it's very rare.
Right now the three serious problems we have are, in order of importance, (1) destroying the biosphere (2) destroying the country from without by becoming the 21st century Evil Empire and (3) destroying the country from within by pursuing ruinously irresponsible tax cuts and spending.
So pretty much anybody who's fighting those three things, even if they'd struggle to get a GED with two tutors and the answer key, should get our support insofar as they have the right idea. So, the TP is right on spending while being wrong on taxes. The greens are right on the environment while being wrong on spending. And, I dunno, the anti-globalization freaks are right on dismantling the empire while being on wrong on everything else and needing a bath.
It's not as if an alert and intelligent person is going to buy even a major party's platform in its entirety. Show me a politician with a 100% rating from any organization and I'll show you a good soldier who knows how to hold his party together. But show me a voter with that same 100% rating and I'll show you either a shill, a con artist, or a dope.
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WeWantMore
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Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
By God yes! The Tea Partiers should have gone back in time and primaried McConnell in 2008, before the Tea Party was even founded! Why weren't they smart enough to think of that? Silly, fringy Tea Partiers.
Seriously though, McConnell's pet candidate was soundly defeated in 2010, isn't that close enough?
Also, isn't it a little bit hypocritical for Democrats to rip on the Republicans agenda, weak as it admittedly is, when the Democrats in the House couldn't even be bothered to pass a budget?
By God yes! The Tea Partiers should have gone back in time and primaried McConnell in 2008, before the Tea Party was even founded! Why weren't they smart enough to think of that? Silly, fringy Tea Partiers.
Seriously though, McConnell's pet candidate was soundly defeated in 2010, isn't that close enough?
Also, isn't it a little bit hypocritical for Democrats to rip on the Republicans agenda, weak as it admittedly is, when the Democrats in the House couldn't even be bothered to pass a budget?
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
I don't think you'll find many fanboys for the Democratic Congress here. The only consolation, if that's the right word, is how much better it was than the Republican Congress.
I don't think you'll find many fanboys for the Democratic Congress here. The only consolation, if that's the right word, is how much better it was than the Republican Congress.
unofan
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Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
Are you saying the tea party isn't a loony bin full of kooks? Seriously, when Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin are your standard bearers, you make Ross Perot seem like the king of statesmen by comparison.
Are you saying the tea party isn't a loony bin full of kooks? Seriously, when Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin are your standard bearers, you make Ross Perot seem like the king of statesmen by comparison.
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Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
Well, since they were founded in response to a black guy being elected President, which didn't happen until that Nov I suppose I can cut them some slack.
But to your point, why would be elect a Congress that promises to make the budget situation worse (extending all of Bush's tax cuts)?
Well, since they were founded in response to a black guy being elected President, which didn't happen until that Nov I suppose I can cut them some slack.
But to your point, why would be elect a Congress that promises to make the budget situation worse (extending all of Bush's tax cuts)?
Shirtless Guy
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Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
I can see you call it status quo, but it certainly can't make things worse...not unless we spend more
How does it make things worse than what they are now (with the Bush tax cuts)Well, since they were founded in response to a black guy being elected President, which didn't happen until that Nov I suppose I can cut them some slack.
But to your point, why would be elect a Congress that promises to make the budget situation worse (extending all of Bush's tax cuts)?
I can see you call it status quo, but it certainly can't make things worse...not unless we spend more
ScoobyDoo
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Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
Since all reports indicate that when they were passed the Government KNEW there was going to be a shortfall and they were unsustainable without HUGE (let's say entitlement) cutbacks then I think you can say it makes things worse. An analogy would be a boat that springs a leak. You start out fine but over time the problem gets worse and worse.
The irony is that a huge entitlement was passed during the Bush Tax Cut era. And we nationalized education at the same time. Anyone who can make any sense out of that and argue to continue all 3 at the same time is by definition insane.
How does it make things worse than what they are now (with the Bush tax cuts)
Since all reports indicate that when they were passed the Government KNEW there was going to be a shortfall and they were unsustainable without HUGE (let's say entitlement) cutbacks then I think you can say it makes things worse. An analogy would be a boat that springs a leak. You start out fine but over time the problem gets worse and worse.
The irony is that a huge entitlement was passed during the Bush Tax Cut era. And we nationalized education at the same time. Anyone who can make any sense out of that and argue to continue all 3 at the same time is by definition insane.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
Those wacky leftists at The Economist set the table for the $10 Trillion question. Will the TPers give the GOP the finger, or will they roll over the way the old Christian Taliban did for all those years of useful idiocy?
"Who's a good GOP dog? You are! Yes you are!"
Those wacky leftists at The Economist set the table for the $10 Trillion question. Will the TPers give the GOP the finger, or will they roll over the way the old Christian Taliban did for all those years of useful idiocy?
"Who's a good GOP dog? You are! Yes you are!"
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Thank you for making my point.
They're so stupid, aren't they, Gentle?
Thank you for making my point.
They're so stupid, aren't they, Gentle?
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
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To be fair, although the Republican Congress nationalized education they passed all the bills on to the states, thus helping swing Dem state houses back to the GOP. The decline in reading and logical ability will probably help goose the GOP at the polls, too.
Give them credit (I know, we did -- about $6 Trillion of it). They're morally bankrupt, not politically naive.
To be fair, although the Republican Congress nationalized education they passed all the bills on to the states, thus helping swing Dem state houses back to the GOP. The decline in reading and logical ability will probably help goose the GOP at the polls, too.
Give them credit (I know, we did -- about $6 Trillion of it). They're morally bankrupt, not politically naive.
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unofan
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The leaders aren't stupid; "Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public."
The people who actually believe Glenn Beck and Co. though? They're as stupid as those who were brainwashed by Obama the last go 'round.
(and before you start: Yes I voted for Obama, but only because McCain forced me to when he chose Palin as V.P. - no way in hell was I putting her one step from the White House with an old man who could croak any moment at the helm)
The leaders aren't stupid; "Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public."
The people who actually believe Glenn Beck and Co. though? They're as stupid as those who were brainwashed by Obama the last go 'round.
(and before you start: Yes I voted for Obama, but only because McCain forced me to when he chose Palin as V.P. - no way in hell was I putting her one step from the White House with an old man who could croak any moment at the helm)
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