Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!

[sagard]

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Fact remains, for every gun-totin' racist redneck on the right there's the pot-smokin' hipster doofus on the left. For every neo-nazi there's the true communist. For every Rush Limbaugh there's a Jesse Jackson.

Heck the gun-totin' rednecks aren't even a problem. They just want their money, their guns, and their god. No matter who wins the elections they will get what they want.

It's the borrow and spend war-mongers who feel it is their right to burden my son's future with their financial irresponsibility who are the problem. The tea party people seem to represent the best of what the Republican party should be. I struggle with their social conservative nature, but they seem more in touch with reality than the Dems or the Reps.

 

[Kepler]

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Heck the gun-totin' rednecks aren't even a problem. They just want their money, their guns, and their god. No matter who wins the elections they will get what they want.

If you're gay and live in Virginia, they matter. A lot. And unfortunately there are a lot more of those eftards than there are of college sophomores* who just read The German Ideology.

* the other difference is, the latter grow out of it

 

[Old Pio]

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101005/ap_on_re_us/europe_terror_threat

Boy, am I glad we're using those Predators. But note, AP (again) refers to the "victims" of this attack as "militants." I'm wondering what the standard is for promotion. How many innocent people do you have to advocate killing or plan to kill or actually kill before AP will change the designation to "terrorists?"

 

[Red Cloud]

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It's the borrow and spend war-mongers who feel it is their right to burden my son's future with their financial irresponsibility who are the problem. The tea party people seem to represent the best of what the Republican party should be. I struggle with their social conservative nature, but they seem more in touch with reality than the Dems or the Reps.

A) I continue to giggle like a schoolgirl every time I see someone complain about the big, bad war as the main culprit of "borrow-and-spend."

B) If you're struggling with "the social conservative nature" of the tea party, you don't understand the tea party very well.

 

[Old Pio]

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All of these rallies have been dismal failures and collective masturbation. In all history, there have been three rallies on the Mall that mattered: two protesting slow army pay and one protesting segregation. The rest have been a million commuters laughing at a handful of hobos buying overpriced corn dogs of questionable provenance.

You may have forgotten one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAONYTMf2pk

 

[Kepler]

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You may have forgotten one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAONYTMf2pk

I did, thank you. Although, as beautiful a moment as it was, I'm not sure it changed anything.

 

[Old Pio]

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I did, thank you. Although, as beautiful a moment as it was, I'm not sure it changed anything.

Well, I suppose it depends on your time frame. Things certainly have changed, and that event was part of it, perhaps you can date the beginning of the change from that event.

 

[Patman]

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B) If you're struggling with "the social conservative nature" of the tea party, you don't understand the tea party very well.

they're struggling anchoring the Tea Party to the Christian fundamentalists... that's really what it is at this point.

 

[5mn_Major]

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The tea party people seem to represent the best of what the Republican party should be. I struggle with their social conservative nature, but they seem more in touch with reality than the Dems or the Reps.

You may be misreading the baggers. The origination of the group had its merits. As with similar breakoff groups, it has long since been hijacked by those on the fringe. Friend running for the GOP says he had to really stretch to appeal to those guys.

A) I continue to giggle like a schoolgirl every time I see someone complain about the big, bad war as the main culprit of "borrow-and-spend."

It really doesn't surprise me anymore how conservatives don't even see govt spending when the GOP does it.

 

[sagard]

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You may be misreading the baggers. The origination of the group had its merits. As with similar breakoff groups, it has long since been hijacked by those on the fringe. Friend running for the GOP says he had to really stretch to appeal to those guys.

It really doesn't surprise me anymore how conservatives don't even see govt spending when the GOP does it.

The TP actually appeal more to me knowing they don't simply love the standard GOP BS.

You can't be too surprised about that guy giggling like a school girl frequently either.

I'm too am glad to know that since the cost of war is so trivial, that next time we get a bunch of war loving a-holes in office we can just go ahead and force a regime change in Iran. It's only a few trillion amongst friends.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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The TP actually appeal more to me knowing they don't simply love the standard GOP BS.

You can't be too surprised about that guy giggling like a school girl frequently either.

I'm too am glad to know that since the cost of war is so trivial, that next time we get a bunch of war loving a-holes in office we can just go ahead and force a regime change in Iran. It's only a few trillion amongst friends.

its pretty easy to agree with you...although you won't believe me when I say Reagan wasn't a war loving a-hole. He avoid boots on the ground at every turn. I think getting involved in all of these foreign engagements is a bad idea...its nothing but an expensive money grab with military $$$

 

[Kepler]

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I think getting involved in all of these foreign engagements is a bad idea...its nothing but an expensive money grab with military $$$

While that may be the guts of how it happens, it doesn't explain why it happens. We wouldn't wind up in these situations if there weren't enormous irrational pressures from a small but vocal segment of the population to measure their dicks against the rest of the world. The cynics will always be able to play those erectiley disfunctional "patriots" against the rest of us and soak us for trillions.

This is why we need large standing armies and pitched battles. In the old days, those guys wound up getting Darwined out once a generation.

 

[pirate]

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While that may be the guts of how it happens, it doesn't explain why it happens. We wouldn't wind up in these situations if there weren't enormous irrational pressures from a small but vocal segment of the population to measure their dicks against the rest of the world. The cynics will always be able to play those erectiley disfunctional "patriots" against the rest of us and soak us for trillions.

This is why we need large standing armies and pitched battles. In the old days, those guys wound up getting Darwined out once a generation.

Politicians rarely fight in wars, although they claim to win them. If they did fight we certainly would be in fewer 'conflicts'. It certainly isn't a thick black line that separates the just cause from the political play but as far as this country is concerned, we seem to see no line periodically.

But, let's not lump all people who died in wars for this country into your Darwin comment.

 

[Rover]

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He refers to Republicans as "the Forces of Evil?" Rover, when did you start getting onto TV?

My good looks got me a few bit parts as a child actor in the 70's. I also made a brief appearance as an extra on one of those few Cheers episodes that they actually filmed in Boston. But, after I made the mistake of dumping Christina Applegate in the late 80's right as that Married With Children show started, Al Bundy saw fit to have me blacklisted around town. While I could have waited him out, I found political consulting was more my speed.

 

[Kepler]

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let's not lump all people who died in wars for this country into your Darwin comment.

Oh, not at all. The tragedy is that the few morons bring so many innocents with them. Professional soldiers and Cincinnatus farmers have always been honorable, and have always born the brunt of the irresponsible thugs who bray "bring it on."

A rule of thumb is, people who like to fight wars aren't "hard nosed" or "the first line of defense" or in any way heroic. They're just tools who get a lot of good people killed playing out their fantasies.

There may have been a time when war was a measure of bravery, but that was before gunpowder -- maybe before archery. Now it's just a horrific function -- a job that sometimes (maybe 10% of the time we actually do it) needs to be done, but one that people without psychological disorders approach with dread and disgust, like unclogging a toilet.

I do agree that any politician who starts a war should be in the front rank on the first rush. That would save humanity a lot of problems.

 

[WeWantMore]

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You may be misreading the baggers. The origination of the group had its merits. As with similar breakoff groups, it has long since been hijacked by those on the fringe. Friend running for the GOP says he had to really stretch to appeal to those guys.

Oh good, let's talk about this "friend" some more.
What a brave man he is to stand up to fringe beliefs like balanced budgets and reading bills before a vote.

 

[Kepler]

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The TP is a positive influence on politics -- they're putting their thumb on the scale for fiscal restraint, a Good Thing.

Just because a movement is a magnet for the short bus crowd doesn't mean its central idea can't be right despite them. The environmentalists have the same problem.

 

[Rover]

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Oh good, let's talk about this "friend" some more.
What a brave man he is to stand up to fringe beliefs like balanced budgets and reading bills before a vote.

Bills are already posted on line before a vote. Regardling balanced budgets, if you truly believe The Boner and the rest of the GOP leadership are interested in balanced budgets, I have some swamp land to sell you. I've seen one Republican try to put something forward that attempts to achieve balanced budgets (Ryan) and his party will have nothing to do with it. Beyond that, what is Fiorina, Angle, Miller, O'Donnell, Paul's plan for balancing the budget? "Privatizing Social Security" or "Eliminating Medicare" isn't a viable proposal.

Also, in case anybody's missed it, have you seen how far away people are running from Flat Tax proposals now that they're the nominees? Something about that 23% federal rate and no more mortgage interest deduction that just doesn't appeal to the general electorate.

 

[WeWantMore]

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Bills are already posted on line before a vote. Regardling balanced budgets, if you truly believe The Boner and the rest of the GOP leadership are interested in balanced budgets, I have some swamp land to sell you. I've seen one Republican try to put something forward that attempts to achieve balanced budgets (Ryan) and his party will have nothing to do with it. Beyond that, what is Fiorina, Angle, Miller, O'Donnell, Paul's plan for balancing the budget? "Privatizing Social Security" or "Eliminating Medicare" isn't a viable proposal.

Also, in case anybody's missed it, have you seen how far away people are running from Flat Tax proposals now that they're the nominees? Something about that 23% federal rate and no more mortgage interest deduction that just doesn't appeal to the general electorate.

Yes, bills are posted online before a vote. However, there's not a requirement specifying a certain number of days before a vote. Fringe-y!

The party will have nothing to do with Ryan now, but put him in charge of the budget committee, and we'll see some meaningful changes.
Now, there's always the chance they go the other way, and let Pork Lords like Jerry Lewis run the show, and then they can go to hell as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Kepler]

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Yes, bills are posted online before a vote. However, there's not a requirement specifying a certain number of days before a vote. Fringe-y!

The party will have nothing to do with Ryan now, but put him in charge of the budget committee, and we'll see some meaningful changes.
Now, there's always the chance they go the other way, and let Pork Lords like Jerry Lewis run the show, and then they can go to hell as far as I'm concerned.

I'm with WWM here, if not in result then at least in spirit. Once the GOP wins Congress they have to deliver or out they go again. Obama promised to bring worthy American values back to the government, and to the extent that he failed to lead, or Congress failed to back him up, Democratic voters are going to stay home in November. But also, Independents are going to vote for the GOP this time around, and that indicates not just that the Dems did not excite their base, but they also didn't provide the kind of leadership needed to keep their coalition intact. Yeah, their main enemies were things they had no control over, most of them directly the fault of the opposition, but part of leadership is overcoming pain in the ass obstacles and dealing with the fact that life isn't fair.

I will be all ears when the GOP actually takes power to see how they are going to restore fiscal discipline. Are they going to put their political capital behind painful and unpopular systemic reform like the European austerity budgets -- are they going to push up the social security age, slash the military budget, gut corporate welfare, let the tax cuts expire, and tell people ef you on unemployment and education and health care -- or are they going to hide behind their red, white and blue platitudes and voodoo economics? In a sense it's a win-win for the country -- if they make some progress, we all win. If it's just the same fraudulent garbage they've been peddling since 1980, the country will flush them like a stinkbug.

I have a pretty good idea of how this is going to go, but I'd love them to prove me wrong.