Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!

[5mn_Major]

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How many does it take?

It appears it doesn't matter. Bigots have already indicted everyone in Islam...as did the author.

 

[XYZ]

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St Paul suburbs, no current college degree, going for the state house, mid thirties. Yup made up the whole thing.

Since he's GOP I hope he doesn't win. Then the bullets would really be flying on that morning commute of yours per some of your other comments.

Where you living at these days, anyway? Riga, Serbia and Montenegro, Maine, Minnesota or somewhere else?

Portfolio cracked ten figures yet?

 

[Old Pio]

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It appears it doesn't matter. Bigots have already indicted everyone in Islam...as did the author.

I always hate myself when I respond to you. It's not that we disagree. It's that you are (as I may have mentioned once or twice before) intellectually dishonest. No fair reading of the item I posted would indicate that McCarthy "indicted everyone in Islam," by which I assume you meant "all Muslims."

Have it your way, this situation as between civilization and Islam is a matter of bigotry, nothing else. Now,while you're puking about "bigotry," why don't you take a swing at explaining "Dr." Hasan? His defenders claim, among other things, that he was "provoked" by anti-Muslim bigotry expressed by other soldiers. In the unlikely event that happened, is it a defense for mass murder? Do we need to carve out a First Amendment exception for the delicate sensitivities of Muslims? We have at least one justice of the Supreme Court who has mused about it, so you'd be in good company.

So on a day when a guy who wanted to commit mass terrorism in NYC is sentenced to life in prison, your first worry is anti-Muslim bigotry. At a minimum, your priorities are askew.

The good thing that's come out of this exchange is my rededication to ignoring you. It's like quitting smoking, you gotta keep trying.

 

[Kepler]

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So on a day when a guy who wanted to commit mass terrorism in NYC is sentenced to life in prison, your first worry is anti-Muslim bigotry. At a minimum, your priorities are askew.

Maybe today is exact right day to worry about anti-Muslim bigotry. The guy is sentenced -- the legal system works (disproving that we needed an extra-legal mechanism that threatened all our liberties) and our protections worked (although I personally agree with your earlier assessment that we have been lucky so far).

All the things we are trying to do to protect ourselves worked this time, and there was no sacrifice of our basic values in the process -- nobody was tortured, no weddings had drone attacks, no thugs demanded library records, no companies folded like the Mets bullpen and released our private information.

Today is one small battle win in the overall war. If we keep winning battles like this, we will eventually win the war. So today is a day to prevent the overreach that could eventually bring the whole thing down in flames -- the clan instinct to make sweeping generalizations about "the other," thus tainting a huge group with a tiny group's motives and multiplying our enemies a thousand-fold. That instinct leads nowhere good. It gave us the two hundred years of religious wars that directly preceded the founding of the United States and our separation of people's private beliefs and public rights, and our tradition of tolerating religious difference. People who advocate a return to that mindset SHOULD be challenged -- the irony is their thinking is exactly what was sentenced today, and its defeat is what we are celebrating.

 

[unofan]

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So on a day when a guy who wanted to commit mass terrorism in NYC is sentenced to life in prison, your first worry is anti-Muslim bigotry. At a minimum, your priorities are askew.

No, on a day when you posted an article that essentially says all Muslims are terrorists, he called it out as anti-Muslim bigotry.

The fact that the other event happened on the same day is irrelevant to the observation of the article posted.

 

[unofan]

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So, your argument remains "I'm better than everyone else."

Brilliant. You deserve Obama.

No, the argument is most people are stupid, and they deserve Palin, Beck, and Rush.

There's no crime in that, but I'll be ****ed before I associate myself with the that lot.

Give me a presidential candidate like Bloomberg, Hagel, Powell, or even the 2000 version of McCain - someone I can at least respect even when we disagree - then I'll come back.

 

[sagard]

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Brilliant. You deserve Obama.

I would argue that YOU deserve Obama. I have no problem with only a four year stint, but you and many who see things the way you do, deserved Obama the most. Next time your crew makes the rules, keep them in check.

 

[Kepler]

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No, the argument is most people are stupid, and they deserve Palin, Beck, and Rush.

There's no crime in that, but I'll be ****ed before I associate myself with the that lot.

Give me a presidential candidate like Bloomberg, Hagel, Powell, or even the 2000 version of McCain - someone I can at least respect even when we disagree - then I'll come back.

Well, Beck and Rush are at least not candidates, and I suspect Palin is just looking for a pay day. I don't think anybody deserves them. They're just parasites.

The Republicans' embrace of bombastic populism is humorous given the position they will sacrifice everything else for -- trickle down -- is profoundly elitist. When Republicans try to play the elitism card, they are simply leaving the field of logical discussion and ascending (descending) into a virtual world where they can pretend anything. When they go there, they've already lost.

I respect true conservatives who honestly acknowledge that there is an elitism at the core of their values -- the elitism that says protect and retain the very best of what has come before, against the ocean of boobs who would drown it with their whims. True conservatives will not balk at saying that Mozart is better than Jersey Shore, and screw the ratings. They say that human dignity demands we never torture -- regardless of how afraid we are, we are still civilized men and not barbarians. That is actually a much harder argument for progressives to make because the "ground" that conservatives refer back to is much more intuitive and absolutist. People who torture may be pragmatists (although I think they are self-defeating) but they are most certainly not conservatives. And people who mince words after the fact aren't anything... they're just cowards.

True conservatives do not say, "I'm you" to a television camera. They say, "I will protect that pinnacle of achievement which is best in all of us and which all of us have, even to the tiniest degree." There was even a time when that would get votes. You don't want the general contractor in charge of building a skyscraper to say, "I'm you."

 

[huskyfan]

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ok. I'll give this a run again.

no, all Muslims are not terrorists. very few in fact.

the Muslims community has been less than outspoken against terrorism and this leads to the perception they support the terrorists. think hatred and bigotry against the Israelis. think Hamas. think Iran. who openly admit they want to wipe Israel off the map and kill the population.

Islam, by its very own precepts, does not advocate free speech, freedom of (or from) religion, womens rights, gay rights or free governments. it advocates for Sharia law. think stonings, beheadings, birkas, female mutilation.

yes there are moderate Muslims out there. but they need to start speaking up and condemning these violations of basic human rights.

Gandhi brought the British Empire to its knees and freed India from British control. non-violently. would that the Palestinians might try that.

 

[WeWantMore]

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No, the argument is most people are stupid, and they deserve Palin, Beck, and Rush.

There's no crime in that, but I'll be ****ed before I associate myself with the that lot.

But by voting for Obama, didn't you associate yourself with Olbermann, Pelosi, and (insert liberal radio "star" here) ?

I mean, I totally understand why you wouldn't vote for McCain, but isn't it foolish to pretend Obama was the only other option?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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I mean, I totally understand why you wouldn't vote for McCain, but isn't it foolish to pretend Obama was the only other option?

Not really considering a 3rd party candidate has never won the Presidency. Maybe that could change, but I doubt it. People like the way the system is set up now cause they don't have to think. They go in and hit all the "D"'s or all the "R"'s and the independents (the ones who like to think) get to decide who wins and who loses.

The "D"'s have most of their power in picking who gets on the ballot. Same with the "R"'s. The indies for the most part don't get to pick who the candidate is they just get to pick which one of them wins.

And round and round we go.

 

[Kepler]

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Gandhi brought the British Empire to its knees and freed India from British control. non-violently. would that the Palestinians might try that.

Repped for truth.

An Islamic Satyagraha would be the strongest force for good on the planet right now. The lunatics on all sides -- Muslim, Christian, and just plain psychotic -- would be left holding their missiles and their missals in their hands.

 

[WeWantMore]

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Not really considering a 3rd party candidate has never won the Presidency. Maybe that could change, but I doubt it. People like the way the system is set up now cause they don't have to think. They go in and hit all the "D"'s or all the "R"'s and the independents (the ones who like to think) get to decide who wins and who loses.

The "D"'s have most of their power in picking who gets on the ballot. Same with the "R"'s. The indies for the most part don't get to pick who the candidate is they just get to pick which one of them wins.

And round and round we go.

So you should only ever vote for someone with a chance of winning, odious nature of the candidates be ****ed?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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So you should only ever vote for someone with a chance of winning, odious nature of the candidates be ****ed?

Didn't say that. But I know of a ton of voters who vote strictly on the "lesser of two evils" concept. Pretty tough to break through that mentality with the large entrenched two part system.

 

[Kepler]

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Didn't say that. But I know of a ton of voters who vote strictly on the "lesser of two evils" concept. Pretty tough to break through that mentality with the large entrenched two part system.

I have this odd feeling that this situation might not have developed by accident.

IRV solves a lot of this, which is why the D-R cartel, and the folks who hedge their bets by bribing both, will go to the wall to stop it.

 

[unofan]

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But by voting for Obama, didn't you associate yourself with Olbermann, Pelosi, and <insert liberal radio "star" here> ?

I mean, I totally understand why you wouldn't vote for McCain, but isn't it foolish to pretend Obama was the only other option?

For one, I had nothing to do with Pelosi or the Dem majority in Congress, I was one of the so-called Obama-Terry voters in that Obama won the electoral vote from the NE-2nd but Terry kept his house seat. Terry's a do-nothing boob (seriously, he's had his seat for 14 years now and I can't think of anything he's done noteworthy other than appear on Colbert), but the Dem Candidate was a scuzzball I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.

I also don't listen to Olberman or talk-radio, never bought into Obama's mantra of change. I still think he should have waited til 2012 or 2016, as a one-term senator probably isn't ready for the presidency (which appears to be bearing out). I still disagree with him on many things. All I did was fill in a circle at polling place.

But what else was there to do? Voting 3rd party essentially is the same thing as voting for Obama from an EV standpoint (ask the Nader and Perot voters about that), and even if I wanted to go 3rd party, the Libertarian party isn't the answer since their official positions are more extreme than even the Tea Party's.

I'm a socially moderate fiscal conservative. I'm not sure there's a party out there that wants my vote anymore.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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I have this odd feeling that this situation might not have developed by accident.

IRV solves a lot of this, which is why the D-R cartel will go to the wall to stop it.

Agreed.

 

[Kepler]

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I'm a socially moderate fiscal conservative. I'm not sure there's a party out there that wants my vote anymore.

I'll bet most of us here are socially moderate-to-liberal fiscally moderate-to-conservative. Of the 20 or so regular political posters my guess would be 14 (70%) of us are -- there is really only true crazy on the left, three on the right, and a couple who are "what are you against?" "whaddya got?"

The thing is, this is a college hockey website. That means most of us went to college somewhere they play hockey. It makes sense we'd all be about the same, but it would be an error to think that most of the country is like us.

 

[WeWantMore]

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For one, I had nothing to do with Pelosi or the Dem majority in Congress, I was one of the so-called Obama-Terry voters in that Obama won the electoral vote from the NE-2nd but Terry kept his house seat. Terry's a do-nothing boob (seriously, he's had his seat for 14 years now and I can't think of anything he's done noteworthy other than appear on Colbert), but the Dem Candidate was a scuzzball I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.

I also don't listen to Olberman or talk-radio, never bought into Obama's mantra of change. I still think he should have waited til 2012 or 2016, as a one-term senator probably isn't ready for the presidency (which appears to be bearing out). I still disagree with him on many things. All I did was fill in a circle at polling place.

But what else was there to do? Voting 3rd party essentially is the same thing as voting for Obama from an EV standpoint (ask the Nader and Perot voters about that), and even if I wanted to go 3rd party, the Libertarian party isn't the answer since their official positions are more extreme than even the Tea Party's.

I'm a socially moderate fiscal conservative. I'm not sure there's a party out there that wants my vote anymore.

I'm not saying you voted for Pelosi directly, I'm saying that in your previous post you said this:

most people are stupid, and they deserve Palin, Beck, and Rush.

There's no crime in that, but I'll be ****ed before I associate myself with the that lot.

And that's just fine. But you're willing to associate yourself with an equally idiotic lot on the other side?

 

[unofan]

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I'll bet most of us here are socially moderate-to-liberal fiscally moderate-to-conservative. Of the 20 or so regular political posters my guess would be 14 (70%) of us are -- there is really only true crazy on the left, three on the right, and a couple who are "what are you against?" "whaddya got?"

Rover's on the left,

Red Cloud, Old Pio, and Bob on the right?

Scooby and Handy in the whaddya got category?