Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!

[solovsfett]

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Yesterdays rally in DC

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priceless...just priceless.

so...who pays for the books and t-shirts? any capitalists in that chain of commodities?

it's like these people live w/out contact with anyone who live and work in the "real" world. I suppose that's exactly like college professors....or say....the president

 

[WeWantMore]

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I do think it's a little unfair to refer to the rally yesterday as a socialist rally though. Lefty rally means you'll get fringe lefty groups, just as a right wing rally brings out the fringe righty groups.

 

[sagard]

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it's like these people live w/out contact with anyone who live and work in the "real" world. I suppose that's exactly like college professors....or say....the president

Your just as out of touch as these guys, just on the other side. Too bad we couldn't get you all in a room.

Don't worry in either '12 or '16 you will get to pick our next president, don't screw it up!

 

[5mn_Major]

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Your just as out of touch as these guys, just on the other side. Too bad we couldn't get you all in a room.

Don't worry in either '12 or '16 you will get to pick our next president, don't screw it up!

...or worse depending on your POV. Socialism has noble ideas of sharing work and wealth. Kinda like this guy Jesus advocated...not that many here on the right really care much about him. But socialism just doesn't work in reality.

Yet based on posts, many here seem to see the potential of socialism to be a far greater blight on this country than the KKK. But to each their own...

 

[gounhwildcats]

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...or worse depending on your POV. Socialism has noble ideas of sharing work and wealth. Kinda like this guy Jesus advocated...not that many here on the right really care much about him. But socialism just doesn't work in reality.

Yet based on posts, many here seem to see the potential of socialism to be a far greater blight on this country than the KKK. But to each their own...

I'm sorry, but Jesus never advocated socialism...ever. He never advocated any kind of economic or political system. If you are referring to the early church selling their property and goods to support the poorer believers in Jerusalem they did that purely of their own volition, and it is the only mention of it in Scripture. That is the only kind of giving Christians are ever called to, is that of a thankful and joyous heart.

Jesus only purpose in coming was to bring about a means by which men could be brought into communion with God. His preaching and teaching had nothing, zero, nada to do with any political or economic system. All Jesus ever taught Christians in regards to government is that we are to live quiet and peaceable lives and submit to our earthly leaders (sadly this teaching is not followed by too many in the church today). Only when a government asks or demands that we disobey the law of God are we to be disobedient to them. Otherwise governments are a gift to us by God to promote the public good and punish those who do evil. Part of how Christians display their love for God and obedience to Him is to be obedient to the leaders that He has given us for our good.

 

[Carter]

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I'm sorry, but Jesus never advocated socialism...ever. He never advocated any kind of economic or political system. If you are referring to the early church selling their property and goods to support the poorer believers in Jerusalem they did that purely of their own volition, and it is the only mention of it in Scripture. That is the only kind of giving Christians are ever called to, is that of a thankful and joyous heart.

Jesus only purpose in coming was to bring about a means by which men could be brought into communion with God. His preaching and teaching had nothing, zero, nada to do with any political or economic system. All Jesus ever taught Christians in regards to government is that we are to live quiet and peaceable lives and submit to our earthly leaders (sadly this teaching is not followed by too many in the church today). Only when a government asks or demands that we disobey the law of God are we to be disobedient to them. Otherwise governments are a gift to us by God to promote the public good and punish those who do evil. Part of how Christians display their love for God and obedience to Him is to be obedient to the leaders that He has given us for our good.

Eff submission.

 

[WeWantMore]

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But I was told that Jesus was a community organizer.

 

[sagard]

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I'm sorry, but Jesus never advocated socialism...ever. He never advocated any kind of economic or political system. If you are referring to the early church selling their property and goods to support the poorer believers in Jerusalem they did that purely of their own volition, and it is the only mention of it in Scripture. That is the only kind of giving Christians are ever called to, is that of a thankful and joyous heart.

Jesus only purpose in coming was to bring about a means by which men could be brought into communion with God. His preaching and teaching had nothing, zero, nada to do with any political or economic system. All Jesus ever taught Christians in regards to government is that we are to live quiet and peaceable lives and submit to our earthly leaders (sadly this teaching is not followed by too many in the church today). Only when a government asks or demands that we disobey the law of God are we to be disobedient to them. Otherwise governments are a gift to us by God to promote the public good and punish those who do evil. Part of how Christians display their love for God and obedience to Him is to be obedient to the leaders that He has given us for our good.

Wouldn't have been a lot easier to suggest we ALWAYs do our best to keep church and state separate?

 

[Old Pio]

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I do think it's a little unfair to refer to the rally yesterday as a socialist rally though. Lefty rally means you'll get fringe lefty groups, just as a right wing rally brings out the fringe righty groups.

In the abstract, perhaps. But in this case, many socialist and communist groups were proud sponsors of the event (along with their union goon buddies). They didn't just "show up". You did view the video didn't you? The mall was crawling with those a-holes. And while they were there, they used our national mall as a land fill (and probably a toilet). Again I say, nice.

BTW, all you lefty pukers with your customary moral equivalence arguments, shove it. I hate all enemies of America. And I include in that rubric the klan, commies, socialists, militias, Islamists, ALL of 'em. So buzz off. Find some other justification for your lefty fringe pals.

 

[St. Clown]

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For the record, ExxonMobil (one of the largest companies on earth) has 79,900 employees according to wikipedia.

For the record, my employer, a bank, has a ballpark estimate of 250,000 employees, as do a few others. Why is ~80,000 at Exxon a big deal?

 

[Patman]

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I'm sorry, but Jesus never advocated socialism...ever. He never advocated any kind of economic or political system. If you are referring to the early church selling their property and goods to support the poorer believers in Jerusalem they did that purely of their own volition, and it is the only mention of it in Scripture. That is the only kind of giving Christians are ever called to, is that of a thankful and joyous heart.

Jesus only purpose in coming was to bring about a means by which men could be brought into communion with God. His preaching and teaching had nothing, zero, nada to do with any political or economic system. All Jesus ever taught Christians in regards to government is that we are to live quiet and peaceable lives and submit to our earthly leaders (sadly this teaching is not followed by too many in the church today). Only when a government asks or demands that we disobey the law of God are we to be disobedient to them. Otherwise governments are a gift to us by God to promote the public good and punish those who do evil. Part of how Christians display their love for God and obedience to Him is to be obedient to the leaders that He has given us for our good.

major... read the following words

Jesus NEVER advocated theft. No more, no less.

Heaven is the salvation of INDIVIDUAL man (or woman)... collectivist action is not called for but rather the collection of individuals. Socialism is, at its base, the justification of theft for the assumed common good... a common good is assumed and then comes the means. See, it doesn't require for others to agree in God's word, it just requires the ability to take to give to that which others have deemed virtuous. That is socialism. The taking from persons, whether they agree or not, to those who have been deemed virtuous.

I consider that theft, but I'll let you think as you will.

 

[amherstblackbear]

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Two things I think I think about the whole Jesus and Socialism canard:

1. You can't really peg Jesus as a socialist just because he advocated things like charity toward one's fellows.

2. Not being a socialist doesn't mean that Jesus can pegged as the opposite of being a socialist. Whatever that is. To the contrary, I think contemporary American politics in its entirety would make him puke.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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For the record, my employer, a bank, has a ballpark estimate of 250,000 employees, as do a few others. Why is ~80,000 at Exxon a big deal?

Who cares? You obviously didn't see what context I posted in...

 

[walrus]

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But I was told that Jesus was a community organizer.

We know the Messiah was one

 

[Patman]

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Two things I think I think about the whole Jesus and Socialism canard:

1. You can't really peg Jesus as a socialist just because he advocated things like charity toward one's fellows.

2. Not being a socialist doesn't mean that Jesus can pegged as the opposite of being a socialist. Whatever that is. To the contrary, I think contemporary American politics in its entirety would make him puke.

Here's the thing... in the end, the salvation of any particular man is up to himself. End of story. Jesus can point the way, but is it up to the man himself to lead there. As such, Jesus does not point the way for the righteous society but the righteous person within it.

While Jesus calls as many as he can and calls all within society he does not call society itself and likewise salvation is never an item attainable for society as a group object but it is for all those individuals within it. As a general result, this means that there are no calls for specific governance of man except to live by God's rule. This again, is an individual item, otherwise you must enforce it on others.

 

[Patman]

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We know the Messiah was one

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Sing the words, or have we forgotten the song?

 

[Old Pio]

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As long as we're continuing these pointless discussions about Jesus, and whether or not he advocated socialism (which only someone who is intellectually dishonest in the extreme would posit). Tell me, what were his positions on farm subsidies and the internet?

 

[Patman]

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As long as we're continuing these pointless discussions about Jesus, and whether or not he advocated socialism (which only someone who is intellectually dishonest in the extreme would posit). Tell me, what were his positions on farm subsidies and the internet?

I'm not sure on the internet bit.... but He has a great history extending the results of fisheries and agriculture.

 

[solovsfett]

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...or worse depending on your POV. Socialism has noble ideas of sharing work and wealth. Kinda like this guy Jesus advocated...not that many here on the right really care much about him. But socialism just doesn't work in reality.

Yet based on posts, many here seem to see the potential of socialism to be a far greater blight on this country than the KKK. But to each their own...

I don't think socialism has any noble ideas. it's a child's philosophy because it implies we live in a world where people are are ALL 100% altruistic as the fabric of their being. but that shouldn't surprise you.

if we were of that disposition we wouldn't need governments, or people to tell us how we need to operate.

so the philosophy is doomed to fail because people are inherently looking out for their own interests first (generally) and there is nothing wrong with that, and we are not equal in terms of talent or skill and therefore we generally seek to be compensated for our talent and skill in relation to others of greater or lesser talent and skill.

The reason many on the right view socialism and communism as a cancer is because it is so opposed to free will and freedom, no to mention those philosophies have resulted in millions and millions of people being outright butchered (see mao, see stalin, see castro). but this is probably for a separate thread really.

...unless you want me to get handy all wound up again by dropping the che obama bomb again

 

[Tundra]

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I don't think socialism has any noble ideas. it's a child's philosophy because it implies we live in a world where people are are ALL 100% altruistic as the fabric of their being. but that shouldn't surprise you.

if we were of that disposition we wouldn't need governments, or people to tell us how we need to operate.

It rose from the industrial revolution and the inequity it created. self-interest vs group (social) interest. there is a lesson, when one dominates the other.

It was their observations of the deleterious effects of industrial capitalism that caused socialist reformers to call for the development of new economic structures based on a completely different set of moral principles. The question of how the transition from capitalism to socialism would occur has been answered in different ways by different socialist theorists. Robert Owen (1771–1858), Charles Fourier (1772–1837), and other early socialist thinkers saw the need to reform rather than destroy capitalism, while followers of Karl Marx (1818–1883) and Friedrich Engels (1820–1895) insisted that capitalism had to be completely overturned in order for society to advance to a state of socialism. Contemporary socialists do not envisage the transition from capitalism to socialism as a sharp break, but as a process of economic reforms that takes into account the role of market forces.