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Obama XIV: President VISTA with SP2

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I think it's safe to say that in the intervening year or so since I last moved names around on that list, that Joe the Plumber, Arnold Schwarzenegger, John Ensign, Michael Steele, Mark Sanford, and Charlie Crist are safe bets to be completely tossed out. Huntsman probably drops pretty far considering that he is now basically part of the Obama administration. Petraeus as well considering that he's doing his best to convince anyone who'll ask him that he has zero interest in being President. Daniels, DeMint, Barbour, Gingrich, and Pawlenty are probably much farther up the list at this point.
 
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As if we didn't already know that Julian Assange was a piece of ****, he's now facing two counts of rape in in Sweeden.
 
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Red Cloud your list is always good stuff.

I would be ready to vote for a GOP candidate that was:

Not condencending towards the other party.

Focused on solutions that fix the problems this country faces and not just cricisms.

Fiscal conservatives and that means cut spending on all government spending...and that means the military, wars, funding 'allies'. Also that downplays reduces social conservative activism.

McCain was actually pretty good on these counts and Huckabee not too bad until he got his post on Fox. But the candidates this time around, tPaw, Palin, Romney, Santorum and especially Gingrich are just not the type of candidates to send a positive message and fix the country's problems.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Red Cloud your list is always good stuff.

I would be ready to vote for a GOP candidate that was:

Not condencending towards the other party.

Focused on solutions that fix the problems this country faces and not just cricisms.

Fiscal conservatives and that means cut spending on all government spending...and that means the military, wars, funding 'allies'. Also that downplays reduces social conservative activism.

McCain was actually pretty good on these counts and Huckabee not too bad until he got his post on Fox. But the candidates this time around, tPaw, Palin, Romney, Santorum and especially Gingrich are just not the type of candidates to send a positive message and fix the country's problems.
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No offense, but the first two seem kind of easy to weasel out of in my opinion, pretty arbitrary. For example, how do you differentiate between critical and condescending?

In order to show the need for a solution, don't you have to criticize?
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
As if we didn't already know that Julian Assange was a piece of ****, he's now facing two counts of rape in in Sweeden.
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I knew something like this would happen. The quintessential example of the glass houses maxim.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Red Cloud your list is always good stuff.

I would be ready to vote for a GOP candidate that was:

Not condencending towards the other party.

Focused on solutions that fix the problems this country faces and not just cricisms.

Fiscal conservatives and that means cut spending on all government spending...and that means the military, wars, funding 'allies'. Also that downplays reduces social conservative activism.

McCain was actually pretty good on these counts and Huckabee not too bad until he got his post on Fox. But the candidates this time around, tPaw, Palin, Romney, Santorum and especially Gingrich are just not the type of candidates to send a positive message and fix the country's problems.
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huckabee is a christian democrat... enthralled with jesus... and in love with spending to do 'what jesus would want'... you know that, i know that, don't act like he's a serious fiscal conservative... he is the diametric opposite of what this country needs at this station in time.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Red Cloud your list is always good stuff.

I would be ready to vote for a GOP candidate that was:

Not condencending towards the other party.

Focused on solutions that fix the problems this country faces and not just cricisms.

Fiscal conservatives and that means cut spending on all government spending...and that means the military, wars, funding 'allies'. Also that downplays reduces social conservative activism.

McCain was actually pretty good on these counts and Huckabee not too bad until he got his post on Fox. But the candidates this time around, tPaw, Palin, Romney, Santorum and especially Gingrich are just not the type of candidates to send a positive message and fix the country's problems.
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How is tPaw not what you are looking for?
 
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Where are the 2 million jobs that Obama promised America? Seriously? 10% unemployment is acceptable? Rome is burning and Obama is on yet another summer vacation... do as I say not as I do.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
How is tPaw not what you are looking for?
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Look just because TPaw called all his new taxes "Fees" or whatever term he tried to hide them with doesn't mean he wasn't taxing still ;)

Do you honestly think TPaw did a good job with this state? Have you seen the bad shape we are in? You want him in control of the national budget like that? Sorry, I don't hate TPaw but I wont vote for him either. He will bend over so quick to the Right once he gets in office it will make Obama's flip from "Change" to "Still the Same" feel like it took decades.

This is the guy who, at the Press Conference to announce he was running for Senate got a call from Dubya and was talked out of running for Senate and running for Governor to further their interests. The man is not a leader, he is a follower.
 
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Handyman said:
Look just because TPaw called all his new taxes "Fees" or whatever term he tried to hide them with doesn't mean he wasn't taxing still ;)

Do you honestly think TPaw did a good job with this state? Have you seen the bad shape we are in? You want him in control of the national budget like that? Sorry, I don't hate TPaw but I wont vote for him either. He will bend over so quick to the Right once he gets in office it will make Obama's flip from "Change" to "Still the Same" feel like it took decades.

This is the guy who, at the Press Conference to announce he was running for Senate got a call from Dubya and was talked out of running for Senate and running for Governor to further their interests. The man is not a leader, he is a follower.
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Yes, honestly I do. You don't have to look too far to find a lot of other states in the same trouble we're in. If it wasn't for the rampant spending of the legislature we'd be in better shape. The legislature wouldn't give up it's spending so tPaw had the balls to say "fine, screw you. I'm just going to cut it myself." He gave them ample opportunity to figure out what to cut and they failed.

Regarding the taxes, fine. Call it what you will. I have no problem with that. Who cares?
 
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I reworked my list to be more of what it looks like right now.
1. *Mitt Romney (65) Former Governor, Massachusetts
2. Sarah Palin (48) Former Governor, Alaska
3. Mike Huckabee (57) Former Governor, Arkansas
4. *Newt Gingrich (69) Former Speaker of the House, Georgia
5. *Tim Pawlenty (51) Governor, Minnesota (2010 retiring)
6. *Ron Paul (77) Congressman, Texas (2010)
7. *Haley Barbour (65) Governor, Mississippi (2011 limit)
8. Mitch Daniels (63) Governor, Indiana
9. Bobby Jindal (41) Governor, Louisiana (2011)
10. Mike Pence (53) Congressman, Indiana (2010)
11. *John Thune (51) Senator, South Dakota (2010)
12. *Rick Santorum (54) Former Senator, Pennsylvania
13. *Rudy Giuliani (68) Former New York City Mayor, New York
14. Chris Christie (50) Governor, New Jersey
15. Gary Johnson (59) Former Governor, New Mexico
16. Jim DeMint (61) Senator, South Carolina (2010)
17. Eric Cantor (49) Congressman, Virginia (2010)
18. *Jeb Bush (59) Former Governor, Florida
19. Lindsey Graham (57) Senator, South Carolina
20. *Fred Thompson (70) Former Senator, Tennessee
21. *George Pataki (67) Former Governor, New York
22. *Rick Perry (62) Governor, Texas (2010)
23. Paul Ryan (42) Congressman, Wisconsin (2010)
24. *George Allen (60) Former Senator, Virginia
25. *Tom Coburn (64) Senator, Oklahoma (2010)
26. David Petraeus (60) General, New York
27. Meg Whitman (56) Businesswoman, California (2010 governor run)
28. Linda Lingle (59) Governor, Hawai'i (2010 limit)
29. Mike Rounds (58) Governor, South Dakota (2010 limit)
30. *Sam Brownback (56) Senator, Kansas (2010 governor run)
31. *Condoleezza Rice (57) Former Secretary of State, California
32. John Boehner (62) Congressman, Ohio (2010)
33. Carly Fiorina (58) Businesswoman, California (2010 senate run)
34. Marco Rubio (41) Former Speaker of the Florida House, Florida (2010 senate run)
35. *Dirk Kempthorne (61) Former Governor/Former Secretary of the Interior, Idaho
36. Jon Kyl (70) Senator, Arizona
37. Mitch McConnell (70) Senator, Kentucky
38. Matt Blunt (41) Former Governor, Missouri
39. *Rob Portman (56) Former Congressman, Ohio (2010 senate run)
40. *Dick Cheney (71) Former Vice President, Wyoming
41. *Bill Frist (60) Former Senator, Tennessee
42. *Tom Ridge (67) Former Governor/Former Secretary of Homeland Security, Pennsylvania
43. Scott Brown (53) Senator, Massachusetts
44. Luis Fortuño (52) Governor, Puerto Rico
45. Kay Bailey Hutchison (69) Senator, Texas
46. Judd Gregg (65) Senator, New Hampshire (2010)
47. Jon Huntsman, Jr. (52) Ambassador to China and Former Governor, Utah
48. Rush Limbaugh (61) Political Commentator, Florida
49. Herman Cain (66) Businessman and Political Commentator, Georgia
50. David Duke (60) Former State Representative, Louisiana

1-12 are the ones that presently have about the right combination of buzz, interest, and potential for actually getting the nomination to be considered front-runners. 13-25 are significantly lacking in at least one of those categories. 26-on are either echos from previous elections, rising stars that probably won't realistically play into 2012 (but have growing buzz), or candidates with stated intent but zero buzz or possibility of being nominated.

The new names - Santorum is apparently hopping around the early primary states and has some growing buzz from those disappointed that he didn't win re-election in 2006 and had hoped to support him in 2008. Christie is one of the new GOP rockstars with growing national support, but he doesn't appear interested in running after just 6 months in office. Rubio is another conservative rockstar, but he's nothing if he doesn't win election in November and to turn around and run for President almost right away doesn't make sense. Cheney's re-emergence is 100% buzz considering his anti-Obama commentary but he's practically a lock not to be interested in running. Brown has buzz as a "new Republican" type of candidate who can draw interest from moderate independents, but he's also practically guaranteed not to run. Fortuño is also all buzz as a solid conservative Hispanic, but since he's not from one of the 50 states his realistic electability is low (although, unlike Arnold Schwarzenegger, he should technically be eligible to run as a born US citizen, although he wouldn't be able to vote for himself). Cain is the former CEO of Godfather's Pizza and now a talk show host in Atlanta who has been dropping hints that he is going to run for President, but he's not well known at all and has no buzz, and David Duke crawled out of a sewer recently to display some interest in running for President - I had Lyndon LaRouche on the Democrat list for 2008 last cycle, so if this clown is stating potential intent, I can't leave him off this one either.
 
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The whole thing is great, but the part at about 7 minutes is particularly notable.
 
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When I worked in Omaha I had the opportunity to meet Herman Cain a couple of times. He's a solid guy and sort of the Anti-Obama. You may not recall the time he and others appeared on national TV with Clinton. The subject was health insurance for workers.

Cain told the president Godfather's couldn't afford to provide insurance for all the kids who work in their stores.

Clinton, with the knowledge of the private sector that comes from NEVER HAVING A JOB IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR, told Cain: "well, just raise your prices."

Cain patiently slam dunked the president by pointing out that his customers are very price conscious. 2/3 of them come in on coupons! Young couples with two kids who want the family meal deal, which includes a drink. If the price goes up, they they come in less frequently. Cain pointed out that by mandating the health insurance, many of the workers Clinton was purporting to want to help, would be laid off to pay for the insurance for the workers who stayed.

Herman disemboweled that lying, cheating, phonus bolonus on national TV, which gives me a warm feeling all these years later. As the only guy on Red Cloud's list I know a little bit, I think Herman would make a terrific president.

Cain is the longest of long shots, no doubt. But our presidential elections have a way of turning water into wine. For instance, the campaign of 2008 turned a relatively unknown young senator from Illinois into an electoral juggernaut who kicked the lioness of Tuzla to the curb and coasted past the ageing war hero into the White House.
 
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Handyman said:
Look just because TPaw called all his new taxes "Fees" or whatever term he tried to hide them with doesn't mean he wasn't taxing still ;)

Do you honestly think TPaw did a good job with this state? Have you seen the bad shape we are in? You want him in control of the national budget like that? QUOTE]

How bad of shape is Minnesota? Not bad actually...All states combined are looking at an $83.9 billion in defecits http://cbs2chicago.com/local/illinois.budget.deficit.2.1827119.html . Pawlenty started as governor with a defecit, back when things were supposedly much better. In fact, there were a couple years of budget surpluses under Pawlenty.

Pawlenty's done a great job in keeping state spending in check during tough times. Now all the cities like Minneapolis and St. Paul come whining for more money when there's no money to give, yet they have plenty of money to spend on frivolous projects(Green roof on Target Center, $50,000 drinking fountains)

Tim's done a great job during a really bad time...
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