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Obama XIV: President VISTA with SP2

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I guess I just don't buy the idea that public schools are "brainwashing" (even though that might not be the right term) the students. Sure, you get a few nutjobs here and there, but honestly I think the actual effect is blown way out of proportion.

I agree with bakunin that most of the influence comes from the parents.
 
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Bob Gray said:
Yah, in many ways the teachers have less influence than before, with all the standards, curriculums, etc. that they have to teach to these days. And how those are set is of course a huge fight all the time, as witnessed recently in Texas where the state school board moved the curriculum a bit toward what has been called a more conservative perspective, to great wailing in many education quarters. That said, teachers till wield a lot of influence. And of course yes, parents are massively important.
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Is that what they call intelligent design and denial of Darwin's existence? Conservative perspective?

And the libs are doing the brainwashing?
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Is that what they call intelligent design and denial of Darwin's existence? Conservative perspective?

And the libs are doing the brainwashing?
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Must resist doing what amherstblackbear was talking about . . . .
 
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I feel like an extra 8 years in the senate would have done wonders for Obama. It's unfortunate, really.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
I feel like an extra 8 years in the senate would have done wonders for Obama. It's unfortunate, really.
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It really is. Obama has, so far, been a flat out disaster.

I've maintained all along that he shouldn't have run for President until at least 2012. He's spent the last two years proving me right.

*Cue "Won't Get Fooled Again"*

It's frustrating and sad as a more or less moderate person (politically speaking) to see each party moving so far to the extremes of the spectrum and realizing that there is literally zero hope that we'll have anyone in 2012 worth voting for. Especially since both parties have basically become petulant children.
 
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Bob Gray said:
Such was inevitable. The expectations for him were probably the most unrealistic and unachievable I can ever think of for a politician.
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Yup. He had nowhere to go but down. It's understandable, given the circumstances in the last cycle, that millions of us would be attracted to the handsome articulate newcomer who was promising a fundamental change in the way things are done. Plus, IMHO, millions of Americans found the idea of electing our first AA president very attractive. A sort of expiation of our sins. I shared some of those feelings, but resisted the temptation to base my vote on them.

However, you would not normally expect the MSM (despite their generally liberal outlook) to be so completely co-opted, complete with "chills in their legs" or whatever. I believe when the history of the Obama administration is written, this nearly complete abandonment of objectivity by the MSM will be cited as a key factor in electing a guy with close to zero experience to be president of the United States. A resume so thin we actually discussed votes (or lack thereof) in the Illinois General Assembly in a race for the White House!

I don't think the president is a bad person, I believe he's got bad ideas. On that point I see where Obamacare supporters are giving up on the argument that it will cut costs and won't blow up the deficit. Oops. What did that stalwart defender of the First Amendment Nancy Pelosi say: "we've got to pass the bill to know what's in it."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensm...prove_health_care_dont_talk_cost.html?showall
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
It really is. Obama has, so far, been a flat out disaster.
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I disagree completely. Our other choice would have been Hilary and a lot of the same people Obama is using. The other choice would have been McCain and Palin. That would have been rewarding the Republicans for seven years of egregious behavior where they basically flouted everything a true conservative would believe in.

Sure I would have preferred he focus on getting out of our wars and developing a long term energy policy vs. attempting to tackle health care, but all in all he is still the best option we had available.
 
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sagard said:
I disagree completely. Our other choice would have been Hilary and a lot of the same people Obama is using. The other choice would have been McCain and Palin. That would have been rewarding the Republicans for seven years of egregious behavior where they basically flouted everything a true conservative would believe in.

Sure I would have preferred he focus on getting out of our wars and developing a long term energy policy vs. attempting to tackle health care, but all in all he is still the best option we had available.
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He's the best option YOU had buttercup. The majority of Americans are now having buyer's remorse. As much as I detest Hilary and the nauseating prospect of her husband sleeping in the WH again, I thought then and think now that she would have been an infinitely better choice on the Democratic side.

As for McCain, since when do you care who's being faithful to conservative values?
 
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sagard said:
I disagree completely. Our other choice would have been Hilary and a lot of the same people Obama is using. The other choice would have been McCain and Palin. That would have been rewarding the Republicans for seven years of egregious behavior where they basically flouted everything a true conservative would believe in.

Sure I would have preferred he focus on getting out of our wars and developing a long term energy policy vs. attempting to tackle health care, but all in all he is still the best option we had available.
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Obama, Hilary, McCain, all the same. Pick one or the other or the other and it will be the same ol, same ol. Until folks realize that, we're going to continue down the same road until they run the country into the ground
 
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By pointlessly throwing the spotlight on her, it seems clear to me that they already have.
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There's nothing more irrelevant in today's American than this pagent. I'd rather listen to a Margaret Truman concert than watch it, but it's still a free country.

It's possible some hairdresser "judge" could treat her as badly as the Christian girl was, but I doubt it. Some Christians oppose gay marriage. Some Muslims favor public executions of homosexuals. But I doubt they'll go there and will instead be models of decorum and fairness. After all, her religion is a personal decision, not one which should be questioned pointedly on national television. Too bad a Christian candidate can't rely on that sound judgement.
 
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walrus said:
Obama, Hilary, McCain, all the same. Pick one or the other or the other and it will be the same ol, same ol. Until folks realize that, we're going to continue down the same road until they run the country into the ground
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In some policy matters, of course. But you're totally wrong in the area of foreign policy. I don't think McCain would have made a fetish of apologizing for America to every blood thirsty kleptocrat on the planet and certainly wouldn't have bowed to any world leader. I don't see McCain making speeches proudly calling himself a citizen of the world. And I don't see McCain eqivocating on the question of America's special place in the world.
 
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Old Pio said:
In some policy matters, of course. But you're totally wrong in the area of foreign policy. I don't think McCain would have made a fetish of apologizing for America to every blood thirsty kleptocrat on the planet and certainly wouldn't have bowed to any world leader.
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Maybe 20 years ago, today, doubt it. He's the same as Hilary or Obama
 
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Maybe 20 years ago, today, doubt it. He's the same as Hilary or Obama
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Yeah, I got it the first time you said it. Now try backing it up with some specifics, like foreign policy for instance. Humor me.
 
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Old Pio said:
Yeah, I got it the first time you said it. Now try backing it up with some specifics, like foreign policy for instance. Humor me.
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Specific to Foreign Policy, I got nothing. All I need to know about McCain is his " choice " for VP. Unless of of course you really believe Palin was his choice? He may have been a " maverick" at some point but he no longer is.
 
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Old Pio said:
He's the best option YOU had buttercup. The majority of Americans are now having buyer's remorse. As much as I detest Hilary and the nauseating prospect of her husband sleeping in the WH again, I thought then and think now that she would have been an infinitely better choice on the Democratic side.

As for McCain, since when do you care who's being faithful to conservative values?
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Sorry Princess didn't mean to offend. You want to hate, please continue. Otherwise have your Republican buddies act like conservatives and they won't lose office for decades at a time. There argument was always lower taxes, lower spending and more freedom. Allow them to act like imbeciles and you will get an Obama every now and then. Actions speak louder than words and I'm not sure Republicans are even serious about less spending and more freedom any more.

I don't fear Muslims or even radical Muslims. I'm not scared they are going to ruin our country. I'm not impressed with sharia law or really any of the regimes way of life in the Middle East, but they don't scare me. I can't continue to support the position of world cop went we have sent our debt through the ceiling for the last decade.
 
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walrus said:
Specific to Foreign Policy, I got nothing. All I need to know about McCain is his " choice " for VP. Unless of of course you really believe Palin was his choice? He may have been a " maverick" at some point but he no longer is.
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Adlai Stevenson picked John Sparkman of Alabama, did that make him a segregationist? Fritz Mondale picked Geraldine Ferraro, did that make him a mobster?

So all of this rhetoric is about you not liking Sarah Palin? And her selection makes McCain as Liberal as Obama? And that choice was mandated by some guys in a black helicopter, getting radio messages from the grassy knoll? Makes sense to me. Sorry I brought it up.
 
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