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Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.

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WeWantMore said:
That is not my theory at all. My theory is that people who took great delight in screaming, "What has the GOP done??? The AZ bill will make Hispanics hate them!1!", are about a billion miles off base.
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I guess we'll see (and that in itself wouldn't be a good argument against the AZ law anyway). But the political argument is that the fix is in in the Confederacy, the northeast, the prairies and CA -- everybody knows how those places are going for the next 20 years. That leaves the west and the rust belt to decide the national balance. Even a 15-point gap among the country's fastest growing demographic group -- and one which is religious and ought to lean GOP by default -- surely can't be a good sign for a party that wants to escape regional self-segregation.
 
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Kepler said:
54-39 among Hispanic registered voters, though.

Is your theory the AZ law and the ensuing hoopla has helped the GOP with Hispanics? I think that is... improbable.
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Presumably, that includes Florida. Which means that the margin in the other 49 is probably more like 58-35. :D
 
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/23/taliban-drone-attacks-pakistan

Hats off to President Obama, killing those rotten bastiches in greater numbers. Please note, the Taliban version of Baghdad Bob is talking about "realigning our ranks." LOL. Realign my azz. It's tough to have a meeting when lots of your guys have been blown to bits. Pour it on Mr. President, don't let 'em up for air, not even for a minute.
 
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Kepler said:
Obama got much needed landmark legislation passed and helped get the economy out of freefall.
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I don't know if spending massive sums of money the government doesn't actually have really helped matters in the long-run. Unemployment remains high, tax revenues are low, and we've got some very difficult decisions looming on spending priorities - not just for year-to-year deficit reduction, but also in terms of our long-term obligations for medicare and social security.

Given that leaders of both parties have commented on the need to tackle the funding problem of SS, we could be very close to another round of restructuring in that program (raising the retirement age is basically a lock to happen IMHO).
...or changed his mind once he realized how much power those things give the executive.
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All presidents are driven by ego and the need to take credit for... everything. If he cedes power, he loses some of his ability to do that, so despite his protestations of what Bush was doing with his power, Obama isn't likely to relinquish any of it.
Assuming little changes by November, we'll see what happens with much thinner margins in both houses. The GOP won't be able to hide behind cloture votes forever. Maybe we'll get the best of both worlds, with a "Decider" with a brain moderating a Congress motivated to close deficits. It worked in the 90's.
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If little changes, the GOP might win one (or both) houses of Congress. At minimum, I expect a Republican House in January and a very slim majority for the Dems in the Senate. While this will undoubtedly raise the levels of bickering on the national stage and lead to the inevitable stories about how things are too partisan and "mean-spirited", I think the only real way to have checks and balances these days is to have the power split with one party over Congress and the other over the Presidency. It pretty much guarantees neither will get everything (or even most things) that they want, and for all of us, that's usually the best possible outcome.
 
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Bakunin said:
If little changes, the GOP might win one (or both) houses of Congress. At minimum, I expect a Republican House in January and a very slim majority for the Dems in the Senate. While this will undoubtedly raise the levels of bickering on the national stage and lead to the inevitable stories about how things are too partisan and "mean-spirited", I think the only real way to have checks and balances these days is to have the power split with one party over Congress and the other over the Presidency. It pretty much guarantees neither will get everything (or even most things) that they want, and for all of us, that's usually the best possible outcome.
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Honestly in terms of pure politics, I'm not sure it would be the best thing for Republicans if they took back the House this year. I'm not entirely convinced of the ability of John "King of the DC Bar Scene" Boehner to lead properly. Also, I think a GOP controlled Congress greatly increases the chances of Obama's reelection in 2012. On the other hand, it would be wonderful to see "Former" next to Speaker Nancy Pelosi's name.
 
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The Repubs are going to implode before November, I don't see them getting either house
 
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walrus said:
The Repubs are going to implode before November, I don't see them getting either house
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I could see this happening. It's a race to the bottom and the Democrats have a big head start. If the GOP does take back either house (I really don't see them winning the Senate but it could get close enough that the Democrats are forced to actually work with them again instead of just whining about bipartisanship) it doesn't look likely that it will be because of anything they did specifically as a group, but they'll owe it more to individual candidates and the Democrats. The GOP leadership is completely incompetent.
 
Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.

Kepler said:
54-39 among Hispanic registered voters, though.

Is your theory the AZ law and the ensuing hoopla has helped the GOP with Hispanics? I think that is... improbable.
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Keep being OK with the racists.

Bakunin said:
I don't know if spending massive sums of money the government doesn't actually have really helped matters in the long-run. Unemployment remains high, tax revenues are low, and we've got some very difficult decisions looming on spending priorities - not just for year-to-year deficit reduction, but also in terms of our long-term obligations for medicare and social security.
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I'm surprised he's defending the "stimulus" there is no intellectual defense of this. It was never designed to make America more efficient but rather to fund the list of pet projects Dems have had waiting in the wings for a long time. I'm starting to believe that Kepler believes exactly what the TV is telling him.

The "stimulus" was a joke of a concept and was passed on the notion that "we must pass something or else we're all going to die"... as a result it went to a lot of temporary make work which doesn't improve a **** thing. Great job boys. If you sincerely believe that government money and involvement improves anything then spend it on something useful and not a squadron of "we are helping" road signs.

edit: the ideas aren't just wrong... they are bankrupt.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Absolutely.

But it must be a typo, we've already seen that the rich pretty much have no way of saving on taxes.
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Still on this?

Saving, yes. Cheating, no.

You're the only one who seems to think that "the rich" should voluntarily forgo all the legal deductions that they are allowed to take.
 
Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.

walrus said:
John Kerry must be one of those rich guys who avoids paying his taxes like 5 mn has been talking about
http://wbztv.com/local/john.kerry.yacht.2.1820942.html
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This is actually a great defense of allowing the states to govern themselves to everyone's advantage. Mass. wants to get rid of some excess boats? charge a half-million dollar tax on boats. RI wants more business for their marinas, mechanics, waterfront businesses etc.? Repeal a similar tax. Kerry simply falls into line, which anyone with a brain would do. win-win-win.
 
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I have no problem with kerry doing this. I DO have a problem, however, when politicians get on their soap box and protest this practice while doing it with their own crap.

Not that I'm at all surprised by this.
 
Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.

geezer said:
This is actually a great defense of allowing the states to govern themselves to everyone's advantage. Mass. wants to get rid of some excess boats? charge a half-million dollar tax on boats. RI wants more business for their marinas, mechanics, waterfront businesses etc.? Repeal a similar tax. Kerry simply falls into line, which anyone with a brain would do. win-win-win.
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I'm sure Mass wanted to get rid of excess boats:p
 
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