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Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.
That's the truth.
I'm wondering if this president will ever wake up and realize that he's president. He needs to do his thing and stop worrying about the muck-rakers. The people who hate him will still hate him, but he might gain respect among independents if he grows a pair (tried to think of a more polite way to put that, but failed).
So what if Fox News is screaming "Oh, noes!!
Teh Racism!!!1!1!!" on Monday and "Tsk, tsk, someone rushed to judgment" on Tuesday. That's their M.O., and it isn't going to change. Are you, Mr. leader of the free world, going to let that dictate how you run the country? Really?
I think Obama's a fundamentally decent guy, and it's obviously historic thing for the country, but I also think the Dems nominated the wrong candidate.
That's the truth.
I'm wondering if this president will ever wake up and realize that he's president. He needs to do his thing and stop worrying about the muck-rakers. The people who hate him will still hate him, but he might gain respect among independents if he grows a pair (tried to think of a more polite way to put that, but failed).
So what if Fox News is screaming "Oh, noes!!
Teh Racism!!!1!1!!" on Monday and "Tsk, tsk, someone rushed to judgment" on Tuesday. That's their M.O., and it isn't going to change. Are you, Mr. leader of the free world, going to let that dictate how you run the country? Really?I think Obama's a fundamentally decent guy, and it's obviously historic thing for the country, but I also think the Dems nominated the wrong candidate.
Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.
For this sort of situation, certainly true - can anyone imagine Ms. Clinton deigning to get into sparring matches with the likes of Beck or Hannity?
walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.
There is some new poll out saying a large % of Independents who voted for Obama wished they had voted for McCain. They must be pretty POed to say that
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There is some new poll out saying a large % of Independents who voted for Obama wished they had voted for McCain. They must be pretty POed to say that
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Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.
Buyers' remorse.
In all seriousness, it's hard to imagine this going down any other way. Whoever got into office was set up to fail with such a deep economic crisis -- governments all over the west are deeply unpopular right now. Obama got much needed landmark legislation passed and helped get the economy out of freefall. That's not bad for 2 years, though obviously with a strong Congressional majority he could have gotten a lot more done if the Dems had any balls. And there were some things like closing Gitmo, accelerating the end of the wars, easing back on the security state, and rolling back the imperial presidency, that it unfortunately now appears he either never had any real intention of doing, or changed his mind once he realized how much power those things give the executive.
Assuming little changes by November, we'll see what happens with much thinner margins in both houses. The GOP won't be able to hide behind cloture votes forever. Maybe we'll get the best of both worlds, with a "Decider" with a brain moderating a Congress motivated to close deficits. It worked in the 90's.
There is some new poll out saying a large % of Independents who voted for Obama wished they had voted for McCain. They must be pretty POed to say that
Buyers' remorse.
In all seriousness, it's hard to imagine this going down any other way. Whoever got into office was set up to fail with such a deep economic crisis -- governments all over the west are deeply unpopular right now. Obama got much needed landmark legislation passed and helped get the economy out of freefall. That's not bad for 2 years, though obviously with a strong Congressional majority he could have gotten a lot more done if the Dems had any balls. And there were some things like closing Gitmo, accelerating the end of the wars, easing back on the security state, and rolling back the imperial presidency, that it unfortunately now appears he either never had any real intention of doing, or changed his mind once he realized how much power those things give the executive.
Assuming little changes by November, we'll see what happens with much thinner margins in both houses. The GOP won't be able to hide behind cloture votes forever. Maybe we'll get the best of both worlds, with a "Decider" with a brain moderating a Congress motivated to close deficits. It worked in the 90's.
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Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.
From the beginning it was clear that the candidate was short on experience although he looked and sounded like a president.
Reading the details of the Blago situation...rising to the top of IL politics doesn't seem to be based on ability.
From the beginning it was clear that the candidate was short on experience although he looked and sounded like a president.
Reading the details of the Blago situation...rising to the top of IL politics doesn't seem to be based on ability.
walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.
Obama himself didn't seem to have trouble imagining it going down differently. This isn't so much Buyers' Remorse as it is Bait and Switch.
Obama himself didn't seem to have trouble imagining it going down differently. This isn't so much Buyers' Remorse as it is Bait and Switch.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.
I don't recall the part where he said he'd fix everything in 1.5 years.
If there's a Bait and Switch, it's on his base -- Dick Cheney's not in an agony booth yet, unfortunately.
As for the broad strokes: throw money at the recession (check), pass universal health care (amazingly, check), stop the Bush rot (check, with the understanding that the other side's rot will need to be stopped in turn someday). Full scorecard.
I don't recall the part where he said he'd fix everything in 1.5 years.
If there's a Bait and Switch, it's on his base -- Dick Cheney's not in an agony booth yet, unfortunately.
As for the broad strokes: throw money at the recession (check), pass universal health care (amazingly, check), stop the Bush rot (check, with the understanding that the other side's rot will need to be stopped in turn someday). Full scorecard.
Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.
Wow...that is a bit of a stretch dontcha think? Beyond a few tweaks the Health Care Reform basically changed nothing...it was a waste of the paper it was filed on. Universal Health Care (as defined by what was promised and what is usually associated with the term) it is NOT!
Wow...that is a bit of a stretch dontcha think? Beyond a few tweaks the Health Care Reform basically changed nothing...it was a waste of the paper it was filed on. Universal Health Care (as defined by what was promised and what is usually associated with the term) it is NOT!
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.
But. But. It was teh Socialism!!!!!!!!!!!!111!!1!
But. But. It was teh Socialism!!!!!!!!!!!!111!!1!
Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.
I'm not talking about the results - I'm talking about process. He promised to be different, not just another politician...
I don't recall the part where I said he said he'd fix everything in 1.5 years.
I'm not talking about the results - I'm talking about process. He promised to be different, not just another politician...
Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.
Exactly...I mean I know I shouldnt be surprised, but for once I went the non-cynical route and got burned by it. He and his party are so spineless they cant get anything passed and they control both Houses in Congress and the White House. He is a sham, and the Dems are a joke.
Of course so are the GOP so yay for consistency!
Exactly...I mean I know I shouldnt be surprised, but for once I went the non-cynical route and got burned by it. He and his party are so spineless they cant get anything passed and they control both Houses in Congress and the White House. He is a sham, and the Dems are a joke.
Of course so are the GOP so yay for consistency!
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.
Promising to be different is being just another politician.
He promised to undo Bush's damage. A limited success. Any time a change of party takes place you get some mucking out of the stables, so there's that. Anybody this side of a semi-psychotic Chuckie doll would have been a moral and intellectual improvement over those creeps and cretins, so he really doesn't get much credit for being 100 times better than his predecessor. We're no longer the world's redneck breaking into the neighbor's trailer to raid his liquor cabinet and molest his daughter, so that's nice. We're still living in a garrison state and we still have a presidency that is way too strong relative to the legislature, and that's not nice at all.
Is this everything I wanted? No. Am I happy Obama has had the last 2 SCOTUS nominees and has the decision of how to handle Iran and North Korea, rather than a party that doesn't understand Palin belongs in a zoo? I'm over****ingjoyed. We didn't get Jefferson but we dodged a bullet.
Promising to be different is being just another politician.
He promised to undo Bush's damage. A limited success. Any time a change of party takes place you get some mucking out of the stables, so there's that. Anybody this side of a semi-psychotic Chuckie doll would have been a moral and intellectual improvement over those creeps and cretins, so he really doesn't get much credit for being 100 times better than his predecessor. We're no longer the world's redneck breaking into the neighbor's trailer to raid his liquor cabinet and molest his daughter, so that's nice. We're still living in a garrison state and we still have a presidency that is way too strong relative to the legislature, and that's not nice at all.
Is this everything I wanted? No. Am I happy Obama has had the last 2 SCOTUS nominees and has the decision of how to handle Iran and North Korea, rather than a party that doesn't understand Palin belongs in a zoo? I'm over****ingjoyed. We didn't get Jefferson but we dodged a bullet.
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WeWantMore
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Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.
New CNN poll has Hispanics at 50-42% in favor of Democrats
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/07/23/rel10d.pdf
But watch out folks, a Hispanic wave is going to totally demolish the racist GOP in November.
New CNN poll has Hispanics at 50-42% in favor of Democrats
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/07/23/rel10d.pdf
But watch out folks, a Hispanic wave is going to totally demolish the racist GOP in November.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.
54-39 among Hispanic registered voters, though.
Is your theory the AZ law and the ensuing hoopla has helped the GOP with Hispanics? I think that is... improbable.
New CNN poll has Hispanics at 50-42% in favor of Democrats
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/07/23/rel10d.pdf
But watch out folks, a Hispanic wave is going to totally demolish the racist GOP in November.
54-39 among Hispanic registered voters, though.
Is your theory the AZ law and the ensuing hoopla has helped the GOP with Hispanics? I think that is... improbable.
WeWantMore
New member
Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.
That is not my theory at all. My theory is that people who took great delight in screaming, "What has the GOP done??? The AZ bill will make Hispanics hate them!1!", are about a billion miles off base.
That is not my theory at all. My theory is that people who took great delight in screaming, "What has the GOP done??? The AZ bill will make Hispanics hate them!1!", are about a billion miles off base.
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