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Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.

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Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.

the whole thing is interesting because she got sacked within a span of less than 8 hours yesterday from head to tail.

I have to wonder if the White House is panicking or something. Either that or they are so owing to the "tea party is racist" meme that they can't take the distraction from letting any other issues extend out.

Still, many possibilities... gone in the span of a work day. Gone in a matter of hours. I really think they're spooked.

edit: one possibility is that they just plain clean sacked her in advance of a massive conflict of interest... she represented a group suing the USDA obtaining a million$ (billion$?) settlement immediately before she became part of the USDA. This would be something that would come out in the aftermath/controversy that otherwise we would never know/follow up.

Lets note that she works at the pleasure of the president, an appointee.

"Spooked" is exactly the word that came to my mind. Van Jones, Acorn, the NBPP and now this. The administration is followng a dual track strategy with Fox, Beck et al: maintain that they aren't "legitimate" and suggest that "something should be done" about their alleged sins. Please note, some of the "non colluding" weenies at journolist suggested pulling Fox's license to do business. Program providers are not licensed, broadcast stations are. Frankly I don't know if Fox has any "O and O" (owned and operated) stations, but they don't need a license to be a program provider. And so much for the First Amendment. If you can't beat 'em, destroy 'em.

Part of that first track is to strike quickly (ruthlessly?) to deflate any story that might possibly lead off Beck. What else would explain the desperation of calling the lady three times while she was driving, to fire her? Pull over so we can throw you under the bus? Sounds Nixonian to me. Note: there has been no mention that Vilsack or anyone in the WH or (amazingly) at the NCAAP had the slightest interest in getting her side of the story. The "thinking" evidently was "Beck's gonna kill us with this, let's get rid of her ASAFP." Spooked? Boy howdy.

And anyone who believes that Vilsack "acted on his own, with no input from the WH" clearly needs a caretaker.

The other track is to maintain (with diminishing credibily) that "we're way to cool to pay any attention to what those neantherthals are up to."

Somebody made a point the other day (I don't recall who) that there's less racism now than there ever was, but it's been replaced by much more race-baiting. This whole affair is a veritable festival of race baiting and it doesn't paint a very pretty picture of political life in America these days. The NAACP passes a resolution condemning alleged racism among the Tea Partiers (on very flimsy and possibly fraudulent "evidence") forgetting decades of admonitions about avoiding "guilt by association." Breitbart runs a heavily edited tape which paints an untrue picture of what the lady meant. Did he do the editing? Who knows?

The NAACP claims Breitbart took advantage of them with the edited tape, conveniently overlooking the fact that their own videographer taped the lady's speech. Perhaps, I don't know, they could have reviewed their own tape before throwing her under the bus.

The White House first agrees with Vilsack, then disagrees, now agrees. One thing is beyond dispute: in this matter, the Obama Administration makes the Keystone Cops look like the Liebstandarte SS Adolph Hitler Division.

And what a joy it is to read the Journolist e-mails. Talk about your smoking gun. "I know, let's change the subject and accuse Fred Barnes of being a racist." What a hoot. If these folks want to work for the administration (and some of them now do) let them give up their day jobs and quit gulling us about their "objectivity."
 
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Flimsy evidence?!?

It's pellucidly clear to anyone with at least one eye and a pulse that there are "racist elements" within the tea party movements.
 
Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.

Flimsy evidence?!?

It's pellucidly clear to anyone with at least one eye and a pulse that there are "racist elements" within the tea party movements.

Such as? I mean, there are idiots waving racist signs, I give you that. But do those constitute "elements"?
 
Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.

Thanks Obama for skyrocketing health-care costs. :mad:
Yup, my costs go up to pay for 26 year old kids staying at home with their parents. This country just becomes more and more disfunctional.

http://www.azcentral.com/business/articles/2010/07/21/20100721arizona-workers-to-see-insurance-fees-increase.html

Yeah, my guess is covering 26 year-olds (generally one of the healthier segments of the population) isn't the main driver, it's the elimination of lifetime limits.
 
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Yeah, my guess is covering 26 year-olds (generally one of the healthier segments of the population) isn't the main driver, it's the elimination of lifetime limits.
You're probably right. But it's still offensive to be paying for the health care coverage of someone else's 26 year old stay-at-home kid.
 
Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.

You're probably right. But it's still offensive to be paying for the health care coverage of someone else's 26 year old stay-at-home kid.

Or law student, or medical student, or any other 20-something in graduate school.

I got mine through the school since I'd already been on my own for 2 years prior to starting law school, and it wasn't an option for me at that point anyway, but if I'd had the option, I would've easily stayed on my parents plan in law school. The school's plan sucked.
 
Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.

Flimsy evidence?!?

It's pellucidly clear to anyone with at least one eye and a pulse that there are "racist elements" within the tea party movements.

Just as there are "racist elements" in every major organization. NAACP, NCAA, Knights of Pythias, Red Cross, etc.

What, exactly, does that mean? What is an "element?" And when did the left abandon its long held position against "guilt by association?

Bill Clinton had a devil of a time finding an Attorney General, seems his first two choices had employed illegal aliens as domestics and failed to pay social security for them. I'd imagine the folks at LaRaza would deem that racism, how 'bout you?

The definition of "racism" has been expanded by the left to include anyone or any position that disagrees with them. 60 years ago it was the charge of being "pink" or soft on communism that was the argument stopper or subject changer. Now it's allegations of racism. I should think the Journolist revelations would put "30" to this ugly tradition of the left.

The president, his Secretary of Agriculture and the NAACP didn't exactly cover themselves with glory here. They are so worried about sagging poll numbers, a possible catastrophe in November and a growing sense that our president might join Jimmy Carter as a one termer, that they collectively just forgot to give the lady an opportunity to explain herself. It's especially sad to watch the once relevant NAACP groveling in service to Obama, while jumping on the bandwagon to destroy a proud black woman. Obama and Vilsack are politicians. What's the NAACP's excuse?
 
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Well I think what some people think is racist is that the Tea Partiers were largely silent, and in many cases voted for Republicans that were doing all the things they are now against and since those politicians were almost always White, it seems a bit odd that they so vehemently are against it when the president is Black.

I am not sure I buy it, but I can see the point. I mean they would hate it anyways because it is a Dem doing it, but I do sometimes wonder if they would organize in this way if it was John Edwards who was doing it all.

For the record, I don't think the TP is racist as a whole, but I think there are a lot of people within it that are. It will be interesting to see what happens come re-election time.
 
Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.

Thanks Obama for skyrocketing health-care costs. :mad:
Yup, my costs go up to pay for 26 year old kids staying at home with their parents. This country just becomes more and more disfunctional.

http://www.azcentral.com/business/articles/2010/07/21/20100721arizona-workers-to-see-insurance-fees-increase.html

I didn't like the healthcare reform but are you sure it's Obama's fault? According to that article it's risen faster in prior years.
And I think most healthcare cover kids till 22 or 24 (if full time student) so it's not a major change or cost.

Yet, even as Gov. Jan Brewer's administration cited health reform as the chief reason for cost increases, the state's health-insurance premiums for employees have increased at even faster clips in the past.

In fact, employee premiums for five of eight plans next year will increase at a lower rate than they did this year.
 
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For the record, I don't think the TP is racist as a whole, but I think there are a lot of people within it that are. It will be interesting to see what happens come re-election time.

TP for my bunghole. hehehe
 
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Accurate or not, a great way to stunt the growth of any burgeoning movement on the right would be to label it a racist organization.


edited for sharp-shooters: or at least label elements of the organization racist...less to prove, same impact
 
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Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.

Wait - they said the entire tea party movement was racist? When?

You said:
When you want to be diplomatic enough not to criticize an entire organization (or movement), you criticize "elements" within the movement.

So, since we were talking about the NAACP-Tea Party dustup, I assumed you were implying that was what the NAACP was trying to do.
 
Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.

I just like the fact that Arizona has a "Department of Administration."

Do they also have a Department of Redundancy Department? :D
 
Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.

I didn't like the healthcare reform but are you sure it's Obama's fault? According to that article it's risen faster in prior years.
And I think most healthcare cover kids till 22 or 24 (if full time student) so it's not a major change or cost.
I don't recall seeing increases anywhere near 37 percent in previous years, though last year my status went from single to married (:) ) so I changed categories. From the rumblings I hear, few if anyone thinks this year's changes are just business as usual type increases.
 
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You said:


So, since we were talking about the NAACP-Tea Party dustup, I assumed you were implying that was what the NAACP was trying to do.

Ah, I see what you mean. I was being too cute with my wording.

My point was just that they deliberately chose the word "elements" to avoid accusing the entire TP movement.

FWIW, I *do* think there's a point there. I think one of the reasons that folks associated with the TP movement are reluctant to talk about their more unsavory members is that any publicity is good publicity.

In other words, before nutjobs at rallies started 'shopping Obama's head on the body of some African tribesman, or using the Hitlser 'stache image - who had ever heard about the tea partiers? Wild rhetoric is good for business.
 
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