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Obama V: For Vendetta

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joecct said:
How many kids, diagnosed as ADD, are drugged out zombies by the time they're in HS?

Can't we let the kids be kids and give them activities to blow off steam? I think it was called Phys Ed back in the day.
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Thanks for blowing it for the rest of us, Columbine High School.
 
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Handyman said:
You know why our kids are friggin stupid, because they are raised by idiots! What the hell is wrong with this country...it used to be that no matter if you agreed politically with the President or not you always showed them a little respect and if said President wanted to speak to your kids about the values of a good education you would be honored as such. (ya know like when other Presidents did the same thing) Now these nitwits can't put their personal beliefs aside for ten minutes and let their kids enjoy the moment? They are worried that the President is going to make this a partisan issue so they counteract that by making it one first?

And whats even worse is that members of Congress are fueling the fire...and any member of the GOP (including John Kline...wow) who acts like they wouldn't feel the same way if people had done this to Reagan or the Bushes is lying to themselves. Since when did the Wingnuts take over...it used to be that stuff like this was ignored now the idiots in office EMBRACE it and prop it up and make it worse.

This type of stuff really ****es me off because it teaches kids they don't need to respect the President, go ahead and hate. Is that the message we should be sending?
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Whatever happened to that "you either support the President in everything he does, or you're a traitor" meme we used to hear from the rightwingnuts?

Guess Boy George should have been minding the store in Washington, churning up the intel wires to sniff out terrorist attacks, instead of reading My Pet Goat to a Florida classroom.
 
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rufus said:
Whatever happened to that "you either support the President in everything he does, or you're a traitor" meme we used to hear from the rightwingnuts?
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All the pinkos told us that was wrong, so now you're whining about it?
 
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Handyman said:
You know why our kids are friggin stupid, because they are raised by idiots! What the hell is wrong with this country...it used to be that no matter if you agreed politically with the President or not you always showed them a little respect and if said President wanted to speak to your kids about the values of a good education you would be honored as such. (ya know like when other Presidents did the same thing) Now these nitwits can't put their personal beliefs aside for ten minutes and let their kids enjoy the moment? They are worried that the President is going to make this a partisan issue so they counteract that by making it one first?

And whats even worse is that members of Congress are fueling the fire...and any member of the GOP (including John Kline...wow) who acts like they wouldn't feel the same way if people had done this to Reagan or the Bushes is lying to themselves. Since when did the Wingnuts take over...it used to be that stuff like this was ignored now the idiots in office EMBRACE it and prop it up and make it worse.

This type of stuff really ****es me off because it teaches kids they don't need to respect the President, go ahead and hate. Is that the message we should be sending?
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The president wants to kick off his "national service" aspect of his agenda. This speech is 100% part of his political agenda and is structured as such.

"Oh, me, he's just talking to the kids about happy topics we all agree on"... no... he isn't... he's going to talk on things he is going to need legislation to accomplish and to do so he's going to bypass the parents.... "daddy, why don't we do more to help each other?"

The president's already laid out his agenda... why aren't you aware about the things he's set out to do? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Its not like the president is going out there and tell them to exercise more and brush their teeth.

edit: why does the president need to speak to the children and not the adults? What's gained from this? If nothing is gained then why do it?
 
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jen said:
are you actually suggesting CRITICAL THINKING... in a CLASSROOM!?!? like.. discussing ideas and accepting different opinions and crap like that? what kind of insanity will you preach next???

I don't usually get upset about politics, but this has me totally cheesed off, because it reminds me of banning books. The local paper said some schools heard from parents that said they would keep their kids home from school rather than listen to the President. Let's just pretend the opinion doesn't exist, rather than discussing why anyone feels it is right or wrong. Especially in an educational setting. :rolleyes:
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some of us who have been in a classroom before knows this won't be a moment to teach "critical thinking" in the classrooms. Its an opportunity to prod certain thought which Obama wants in the public discussion and its underhanded.
 
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Rover said:
Umm....9/11 happened 9 months into Bush's presidency. While its unknown if it would have happened under Clinton's watch, I'll direct your attention the the Y2K terrorist plots foiled under his watch.
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Yes, because the Clintons are perfect and Bush allowed 9/11 :rolleyes: Of course AQ was planning this whole deal since Clinton was president and of course our intelligence services happen to be fallible. Nah... couldn't imagine that to be true.

Next, Gore, as a continuation of Clinton's economic policies, would have inherited a team with a proven track record of deficit reduction. The problem is people like you are your own worst enemy. You say you want balanced budgets, but then vote and speak against the people with an actual history of achievement in doing so. That makes no sense.
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The republicans held spending in check... if univ. health care and other items are on the agenda then balanced budgets are not on the agenda. I don't understand where your home-team fanaticism comes from... it comes strongly against evidence.

The Clinton surpluses came at a time where we saw the biggest technological leap of our lifetime which cut down tons of inefficiencies in the markets. Think of a world without the internet... think of how that would negatively affect the economy. Of course we could also think of a world with cap & trade... whose entire existence is to hurt the economy.
 
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Patman said:
edit: why does the president need to speak to the children and not the adults? What's gained from this? If nothing is gained then why do it?
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Is that really the point...he is talking to kids is it really worth the outrage that is being shown? Would you be this concerned about it if it was Bush or Reagan...my guess is no but don't bother faking a denial ;)
 
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Terrierbyassociation said:
Bush I and Reagan both did this. What's the big deal?
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As long as he sticks to that script and discusses nothing more than:
* The importance of an education
* Staying in school
* Paying attention in class
* Staying away from drugs
* Doing your best

and I'll give him leeway to including:
* Listening to your teachers
* Making a difference in your community (voluntarily)

The only "current events" issue I give him any leeway to touch on is swine flu. If he wanted to encourage absenteeism when they are feeling sick, I'd be OK with that.

Do I expect him to do this? Given what I've seen on the "lesson plan" that the White House has put out (which ought to raise red flags immediately anyway - the White House is telling teachers directly what to teach kids about the speech?), my answer is no. My expectation is that Bam has learned well that it's hard to say no to a kid, and if you can get them to be unwitting members of your little army (bonus: you don't have to pay a kid), it's a huge "get."

If I'm wrong, I'll be glad to admit it afterward.
 
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Red Cloud said:
As long as he sticks to that script and discusses nothing more than:
* The importance of an education
* Staying in school
* Paying attention in class
* Staying away from drugs
* Doing your best

and I'll give him leeway to including:
* Listening to your teachers
* Making a difference in your community (voluntarily)

The only "current events" issue I give him any leeway to touch on is swine flu. If he wanted to encourage absenteeism when they are feeling sick, I'd be OK with that.

Do I expect him to do this? Given what I've seen on the "lesson plan" that the White House has put out (which ought to raise red flags immediately anyway - the White House is telling teachers directly what to teach kids about the speech?), my answer is no. My expectation is that Bam has learned well that it's hard to say no to a kid, and if you can get them to be unwitting members of your little army (bonus: you don't have to pay a kid), it's a huge "get."

If I'm wrong, I'll be glad to admit it afterward.
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At least you've got some integrity. Patman has none.
 
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My inclination is to welcome a chance for the kids to hear the US President give them a little pep talk (I've got 3). Has anyone seen text on the speech that should alarm me? Link anyone? It sounded from what I've heard to be good clean fun about trying your best, etc.
I seem to remember (or maybe not) that watching Reagan in class was a highlight of my elementary education.

edit: If 10 minutes of hypnosis by the socialist president could undo the values you've taught your child, you've got bigger problems as a parent.
 
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geezer said:
edit: If 10 minutes of hypnosis by the socialist president could undo the values you've taught your child, you've got bigger problems as a parent.
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Likewise with Reagan. His address to my HS was a source of much merriment and sarcasm. That's the right approach to Obama -- even if you agree with his values, as a 17-year old you are duty-bound to turn it into MST3K.
 
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The Right Wingnuts need to get over themselves. This is the President we're talking about. The campaign is over for another 2 years, so give it a rest. There's nothing Obama can do to harm your child in a 30 minute speech, and getting kids interested in national issues is a great potential benefit. The overreaction is ridiculous.
 
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Terrierbyassociation said:
Not yet. But from what we've heard, it's not going to be anywhere near as Reagan's rant about taxes. :)
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aha. So that's what happened to my cognitive developement. Maybe I should keep the kids home Tuesday;)
Q My name is Cam Fitzie and I'm from St. Agnes School in Alexandria, Virginia. I was wondering if you think that it is possible to decrease the national debt without raising the taxes of the public?


PRESIDENT REAGAN: I do. That's a big argument that's going on in government and I definitely believe it is because one of the principle reasons that we were able to get the economy back on track and create those new jobs and all was we cut the taxes, we reduced them. Because you see, the taxes can be such a penalty on people that there's no incentive for them to prosper and to earn more and so forth
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