Obama V: For Vendetta

[French Rage]

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http://www.freep.com/article/200909...ama-s-speech-to-kids-causes-uproar-in-schools

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/04/obama.schools/

Because there isn't enough to over-react to.

If you believe what some people say, then OBAMA IS TRYING TO TURN YOUR KIDS INTO SOCIALISTS!!! ITS A SOCIALIST COUP D'ETAT!!! RED DAWN! RED DAWN! RED DAWN!

Because we all know how much of an effect it had on kids when Reagan and Bush Sr. did it.

To be fair, though, Obama will be using one of these:

 

[Kepler]

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It doesn't phase you that he just flat out lied about various transparency measures?

Yes, it does. "Phase" may not be the right word -- who's phased by politicians lying? "**** off" is the right word.

edit: would have Obama been elected if he didn't promote such a white-knight position of government?

Yes, he still would have won if he'd just pointed at the other party and said, "had enough?" But that doesn't excuse his slowness to disassemble Bush's high chair, particular since Obama knows exactly how against national interest and principle the unitary executive theory is. Dubya at least had the excuse he was a dope.

 

[5mn_Major]

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Even here, I don't think you're allowed to say "bias aside" and then compare Slick Willie to Jesus in the same paragraph.

When someone says that president A was better than B (even if there is evidence)...the right says sarcastically that everyone says A is worthy of worship.

OK...so Republicans were by and large better than Clinton overall. Which Republicans are then worthy of worship?

If after 8 months of Obama you're still confused between what liberals "pledge" while running for office and what they'll try to pull off while in power, you're beyond hope.

I for one understand that the world is different in postcrisis 2009 than it was in the precrisis spring/summer of 2008...and for that matter it was different after 9/11 than it was before.

For many people, the quality of actual decisions made and their outcomes are far more important than whether someone kept a precampaign promise a year+ earlier with much less information.

And lastly for Dems, I'd be quicker to forgive a change in policies to avert the recession than to forgive Republicans for spending more without justification and limiting civil liberties when they promised the opposite.

 

[Rover]

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From a purely political standpoint, it amazes me that conservatives don't try to hold up the Clinton era as a model for fiscal restraint. The acrobatics they pull trying to on the one hand preach deficit reduction while at the same time talking up GWB while talking down WJC are gold medal worthy. Why not embrace Clinton's presidency complete with references to a GOP Congress at the time and then constrast that to the spending they object to now?

See, the problem for the right is, if you want to suddenly be anti-deficit, the only President in the last 40 years to achieve surpluses isn't Reagan, isn't Bush I, nor Bush II. Its Clinton. After he left office and the GOP controlled all levers of government, spending and deficits skyrocketed. That would indicate to anybody with half a brain that it wasn't the Congress responsible for keeping the budget in line, since it remained in GOP hands after he left office.

So, all these years later, Clinton is done with public life. His wife's rival is President. Why not then, if you're a righty, embrace that fiscal discipline, even if it means handing over credit to someone you opposed? What's more important, politically? To keep fighting a battle from the past that you lost years ago, or to fight the next battle?

 

[SPIN CONTROL]

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Why not embrace Clinton's presidency complete with references to a GOP Congress at the time and then constrast that to the spending they object to now?

I am guessing it has something to do with the hummer he got from the fat chick.

 

[Rover]

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For the umpteenth and last time, can we do away with the straw man? Nobody is holding up GWB as a model of fiscal restraint. He was, while not to the same extreme level, just as reckless in his fiscal policy as Obama is today.
Are you hearing this, or does someone need to hit you in the head with a board?

And for the umpteenth time you've skipped the question posed to you. What exactly about Clinton's economic policies did you disagree with, and what President in your lifetime, Dem or GOP, handled the budget better?

BTW - I'm not hearing anything out here as this is a message board and therefore everything is written and read, not spoken and heard. Does someone have to hit you on the head to understand that?

 

[Slap Shot]

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Maybe it's profane and uncalled-for, but can you imagine if Albert Gore Jr. had been the U.S. President? I just shuddered just now. He's as narcissistic as Big Bill.

Didn’t someone complain in another thread because someone else took a shot at Palin? But yeah, Gore is more relevant in 2009.

I had a "Dubya" button in 2000.

Nothing from 2004?

My favorite moment was "coup d'etat"... hate much Kepler?

While your posts scream, “OLIVE BRANCH!”.

Clinton did a decent job, for several years of hiding out and feeding his juvenile fantasies while riding the wave handed him by better men. It all came crashing down, of course, and since 9/11 we've been aware of how dangerously self-serving he was.

Clinton didn’t sit on his hands, but if you insist he did nothing it seems a bit hypocritical to be assailing Obama this early into his term. I don’t support this health care bill, not sure how I feel about the bailout and I think he’s lost his communication mojo, but it’s a bit early to blame the falling sky entirely (even primarily) on this presidency.

What are you talking about? The attempt to off OBL missed by an hour or something. To date, the closest we've come to offing him. Furthermore, if he was so easy to catch, why isn't he yet in custody after almost 8 years of boots on the ground chasing him around?

It’s all Clinton’s fault you nitwit.

 

[geezer]

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And for the umpteenth time you've skipped the question posed to you. What exactly about Clinton's economic policies did you disagree with, and what President in your lifetime, Dem or GOP, handled the budget better?

As for Clinton; let's agree that the federal government's budget was handled better during his presidency than during those immediately preceding or any following. Especially the ones since.

BTW - I'm not hearing anything out here as this is a message board and therefore everything is written and read, not spoken and heard. Does someone have to hit you on the head to understand that?

Yeah, sorry. I forgot to take my pills.

 

[Handyman]

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http://www.freep.com/article/200909...ama-s-speech-to-kids-causes-uproar-in-schools

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/04/obama.schools/

Because there isn't enough to over-react to.

If you believe what some people say, then OBAMA IS TRYING TO TURN YOUR KIDS INTO SOCIALISTS!!! ITS A SOCIALIST COUP D'ETAT!!! RED DAWN! RED DAWN! RED DAWN!

You know why our kids are friggin stupid, because they are raised by idiots! What the hell is wrong with this country...it used to be that no matter if you agreed politically with the President or not you always showed them a little respect and if said President wanted to speak to your kids about the values of a good education you would be honored as such. (ya know like when other Presidents did the same thing) Now these nitwits can't put their personal beliefs aside for ten minutes and let their kids enjoy the moment? They are worried that the President is going to make this a partisan issue so they counteract that by making it one first?

And whats even worse is that members of Congress are fueling the fire...and any member of the GOP (including John Kline...wow) who acts like they wouldn't feel the same way if people had done this to Reagan or the Bushes is lying to themselves. Since when did the Wingnuts take over...it used to be that stuff like this was ignored now the idiots in office EMBRACE it and prop it up and make it worse.

This type of stuff really ****es me off because it teaches kids they don't need to respect the President, go ahead and hate. Is that the message we should be sending?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Educators across America found themselves at the center of a political storm this week as conservatives exploded in anger over President Obama's plans to give a speech to the country's schoolchildren.

A stunned White House insisted the address, planned for Tuesday, and accompanying suggested lesson plans are meant simply to encourage students to study hard and stay in school.

But some parents said they aren't buying it. They said they're convinced the president is going to use the opportunity to press a partisan political agenda on impressionable young minds.

Nice Planet.

 

[Kepler]

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You know why our kids are friggin stupid, because they are raised by idiots!

The next obvious step in the culture war was always to poison their own children. Remove any source of contrary information and set up an alternative reality. Eventually they'll secede and become a Caliphate, and we can build a border fence. Until then, just make sure they don't get their hands on the bomb again.

Too bad we aren't Neocons. They're an existential threat and that would justify a pre-emptive strike. I mean another one -- 145 years is a long time without lancing a boil.

 

[Rover]

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Looks like the folks at politicalwire have been reading my posts out here!

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2009/09/04/approval_no_longer_sliding.html

C'mon guys, give me an attribution or something.

Regarding teacher thing - conservative activists are trying to raise money, so if Obama passed a declaration saying rain is wet they'd try to spin it as a communist plot to take over the weather. Nothing to see there.

The problem, and the BIG risk for overreach, is when elected officials jump on board. See, once the election rolls around, and non-activists start paying attention, this is the kind of thing that kills Republicans with swing voters. It may play well to the Limbaugh crowd, but I'm guessing not a lot of people are on board with protesting the President addressing schoolchildren about the importance of going to school. Especially when, as has been cited, past Presidents have done the same thing. Can you say "idiotfest".

 

[ScottM]

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If you believe what some people say, then OBAMA IS TRYING TO TURN YOUR KIDS INTO SOCIALISTS!!! ITS A SOCIALIST COUP D'ETAT!!! RED DAWN! RED DAWN! RED DAWN!

Usually spouted by the same mouth breathers who can't even spell "socialism", let alone understand the threads of "socialism" that have pervaded the US for decades.

 

[Slap Shot]

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Here's a simple () solution - record the speech and allow every school to review it and then decide if it's apolitical. I know that wouldn't end the crying by some but it might reduce the fervor. If this were Bush, liberals would be just as up in arms over the concept.

 

[Kepler]

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Here's a simple () solution - record the speech and allow every school to review it and then decide if it's apolitical.

School boards everywhere just wished you ill. Imagine the cycle of town halls and screamers and full-bore idiocy this would then replicate at every local level.

Talk about political correctness. Oh no, we can't let the freaking POTUS make an address because some Fox-watching shut-in might have an aneurysm.

Broadcast the speech and then let the kids have a discussion afterward about why a handful of insane parents want to censor what they all can hear.

 

[walrus]

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Freakin bunch of white polluters

 

[jen]

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Broadcast the speech and then let the kids have a discussion afterward about why a handful of insane parents want to censor what they all can hear.

are you actually suggesting CRITICAL THINKING... in a CLASSROOM!?!? like.. discussing ideas and accepting different opinions and crap like that? what kind of insanity will you preach next???

I don't usually get upset about politics, but this has me totally cheesed off, because it reminds me of banning books. The local paper said some schools heard from parents that said they would keep their kids home from school rather than listen to the President. Let's just pretend the opinion doesn't exist, rather than discussing why anyone feels it is right or wrong. Especially in an educational setting.

 

[Jon]

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are you actually suggesting CRITICAL THINKING... in a CLASSROOM!?!? like.. discussing ideas and accepting different opinions and crap like that? what kind of insanity will you preach next???
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Reason? Logic? His perfidy knows no bounds.

 

[joecct]

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The next obvious step in the culture war was always to poison their own children. Remove any source of contrary information and set up an alternative reality. Eventually they'll secede and become a Caliphate, and we can build a border fence. Until then, just make sure they don't get their hands on the bomb again.

Too bad we aren't Neocons. They're an existential threat and that would justify a pre-emptive strike. I mean another one -- 145 years is a long time without lancing a boil.

How many kids, diagnosed as ADD, are drugged out zombies by the time they're in HS?

Can't we let the kids be kids and give them activities to blow off steam? I think it was called Phys Ed back in the day.

 

[SPIN CONTROL]

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Looks like the folks at politicalwire have been reading my posts out here!

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2009/09/04/approval_no_longer_sliding.html

C'mon guys, give me an attribution or something.

So you have found someone that is making the same mistake you are. congrats.