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Obama V: For Vendetta

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Handyman said:
So who is to blame for the messes in Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan and so on? I am sure in your mind that is all stuff that you can lay at the feet of Obama even though it was your hero who made them all worse. Keep trying though :D
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As far as I can tell he's not blaming Obama, he's blaming Clinton. No shock there I suppose.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
As far as I can tell he's not blaming Obama, he's blaming Clinton. No shock there I suppose.
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Oh yes I should have known...Iraq was Clinton's fault though I am pretty sure it was Bush Sr. that screwed that situation up...or was it Reagan when he was selling them weapons I forget? Oh wait that was probably Jimmy Carter's fault.

God I hate defending Democrats but my lord what ever happened to honest discourse from the GOP? And people wonder why I refuse to support a party...
 
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Handyman said:
So who is to blame for the messes in Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan and so on? I am sure in your mind that is all stuff that you can lay at the feet of Obama even though it was your hero who made them all worse. Keep trying though :D
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The Brits, the French, the Soviets, and us have all violated the 14th commandment -- Never get involved in a land war in Asia.
 
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Would the GOP be better off framing the healthcare as "Democare" rather than Obamacare????

The objective, IMO, is reduce the Dems House and Senate majorities in 2010 with the idea of getting at either the WH or the Congress back in GOP hands by 2012.
 
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mookie1995 said:
Churchill
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Gaius Julius Caesar.

If he'd just yielded to Pompeii and not routed Vercingetorix in Gaul, we wouldn't be having these problems today. ****ing bastard. Brutus and Cassius had the right idea.

The other person I usually blame is Thomas Paine. Common sense my ***.
 
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joecct said:
Would the GOP be better off framing the healthcare as "Democare" rather than Obamacare????

The objective, IMO, is reduce the Dems House and Senate majorities in 2010 with the idea of getting at either the WH or the Congress back in GOP hands by 2012.
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no... Obama is tied to his party and his party is tied to Obama... similarly Obama is the brand to damage... damage his credibility and provide a rationale for a buffer against him.
 
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dropthatpuck said:
W messed up in more ways than I care to enumerate, but he was dealt 2,4,8,9,J off-suit.....a pile of foreign affairs dung, care of WJC.
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The biggest problem W was facing when he took office was that he was facing an extremely 'tough act to follow'.

The economy, stock market and real estate market roared during the '90s...growth was off the charts from real business productivity and resulting real personal wealth. Even the US govt was digging out of previous administrations' debt. Then in 2000, there was a correction. Totally understandible as the country was facing signicant unknowns in Washington. As it turns out, the following 8 years would be more than bargained for...
 
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Obama was inaugurated into a FAR worse situation than Bush, both foreign and domestically. Period. There is no comparison.

He's on pace to do more damage than Bush's 8 by the midterm elections, no doubt, but you can't say 1/21/01 was anywhere near as bad as 1/21/09.

ScoobyDoo said:
Yet, W drew a 2,4,8,9,J off-suit. Wow, I guess things have been really awful over the years then. And apparently Obama drew a better hand after "W"? Really. Ok, whatever you say man.
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Oh jeez, I just drooled, I'd love to play you at some poker. Decide how much you wanna cash in for and just mail me a check for that amount. :D
 
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gregg729 said:
He's on pace to do more damage than Bush's 8 by the midterm elections, no doubt...
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Big doubt.

Obama will not blunder into an unecessary war spending trillions outside of the budget, cause huge strife as he strives to enforce a moral code on society and oversee a generational loss in American citizen assets. Obama may spend (and interdict business) at rates just beyond W...but at least in Obama's case, he faced an economic free fall. And by all indications, this has been successfully stopped.

Obama will win a reelection unless he runs into a big PR debacle like healthcare...and will be seen among the top quartile of presidents if he can subsequently take great strides against the deficit.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Big doubt.

Obama will not blunder into an unecessary war spending trillions outside of the budget, cause huge strife as he strives to enforce a moral code on society and oversee a generational loss in American citizen assets. Obama may spend (and interdict business) at rates just beyond W...but at least in Obama's case, he faced an economic free fall. And by all indications, this has been successfully stopped.

Obama will win a reelection unless he runs into a big PR debacle like healthcare...and will be seen among the top quartile of presidents if he can subsequently take great strides against the deficit.
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Obama's main issue is that the man needs to know when to pull back. Can the federal government give back the power and influence its acquired or poised to acquire? I hope so but I'm bnot convinced Obama can reverse a 60 year trend of the federal government's entrenchment. He also needs to make a concerted effort to pay down our debt. Once the economy stabilizes, ensuring our children our not paying off our expenditures and China doesn't have a controlling hand in our national policy is crucial.
 
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BoomGoestheDynamite said:
Obama's main issue is that the man needs to know when to pull back. Can the federal government give back the power and influence its acquired or poised to acquire? I hope so but I'm bnot convinced Obama can reverse a 60 year trend of the federal government's entrenchment. He also needs to make a concerted effort to pay down our debt. Once the economy stabilizes, ensuring our children our not paying off our expenditures and China doesn't have a controlling hand in our national policy is crucial.
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The Fed doesn't give power back, it doesnt matter what party is in power...
 
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5mn_Major said:
Obama may spend (and interdict business) at rates just beyond W...

Obama will win a reelection unless he runs into a big PR debacle like healthcare...and will be seen among the top quartile of presidents if he can subsequently take great strides against the deficit.
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Just wondering how this works? Obama is going to spend at rates beyond W and still lower the deficit? And rank in the top 1/4 of Pres all-time? :eek:
 
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MattS said:
Just wondering how this works? Obama is going to spend at rates beyond W and still lower the deficit?
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For argument's sake, Obama could even spend more than W and still run lower deficits if revenues recovered. My guess is Obama's net spending will be moving around W's spending (e.g., less on the war, more on health care) and he'll benefit from the recovery. If the GOP makes gains in Congress in 2010 we could see the sort of Prisoner's Dilemma that created the Clinton Surplus.

It would be great if Obama fell on the Constitutional sword and both returned the power the executive has consistently amassed since the 30's and dissolved the Empire, but I'm not holding my breath. Gorbachevs are rare.
 
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