Obama 10: Rahm it through.....even in the shower.

[walrus]

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You probably also didn't realize that its dirty to have boosters pay players to come play hockey for your school. That's the Maine way. Whenever I see one of you 'fans' cry about underhanded tactics, I have to wonder if you disavowed your favorite college hockey team and their tainted accomplishments? I'm guessing probably not.

Where did a Maine fan cry about underhanded tactics?

 

[rufus]

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Sounds like a tremendous reason to wholly alter society. Health care, immigration, college funding. Piles upon piles of dollars... nobody realizes how the democrats want to fundamentally change the nation to fit their own idealistic notions the rest of us be ****ed?

Is that similar to how Republicans want to change the nation to fit their own idealistic notions, or something else?

 

[rufus]

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Lets recall the only solution the dems have to health care thus far can be explained in the following line: Let the elderly die.

So far they have admitted that most costs are "end of life" costs... not so much the other parts where they claim small savings such as streamlining testing issues and leveraging drug companies to become quasi-state entities.

Lets not kid ourselves on whom we're dealing with. Just look at the words they use when they think they're in like company. They have this all solved. This is why the Dems have done very little rhetorical argument of what they're working on. They know it'd be a colossal failure with the people. Let them debate the parts... they haven't so far because they can't. They have the means, and certainly the MSM has given them the avenues by way of entire blocks of programming time. There's a lot here that's meant to be unseen but has been solved by the "right people". If that weren't true then they'd be open with all these parts instead of trying to pass it all on a procedural option of a sub-committee.

Wow, Patman's really gone over the Sarah Palin, teabagging edge, hasn't he?

 

[Red Cloud]

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Thats right, my first post of the day was 3 hrs ago but I waited until now to post that just to throw you off.

While I do watch O'Reilly I didn't see it last night. And even if that was where I got the info, how about you deal with the argument at hand rather than who might have said it.

It's a typical Scooby tactic - if you can't defend against what someone says, just accuse them of using "talking points," like that makes what you said illegitimate or something. Don't worry, he didn't watch O'Reilly last night either. Ignore him, that's what I do.

 

[Red Cloud]

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Oh come now, if Bush had made that gaff, it would have been national news and the likes of Olberman would be frothing at the mouth at W's mistake. What's good for the goose... I suppose Obie did not have his teleprompter with him.

The double standard is hilarious, isn't it? I mean, consider this - the Dems got themselves elected on a basic platform of "We're Not Republicans (You Can Trust Us)." What's their first line of defense when it's brought up that the "Slaughter Rule" is circumventing the Constitution? "The Republicans did it!" But... wait, I thought you guys were about not doing what the Republicans were doing? Most ethical Congress EVAH, right?

Uh... uh... Jack Abramoff! Mark Foley! Uh... uh... BUSHBUSHBUSHBUSHBUSHBUSH!

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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The double standard is hilarious, isn't it? I mean, consider this - the Dems got themselves elected on a basic platform of "We're Not Republicans (You Can Trust Us)." What's their first line of defense when it's brought up that the "Slaughter Rule" is circumventing the Constitution? "The Republicans did it!" But... wait, I thought you guys were about not doing what the Republicans were doing? Most ethical Congress EVAH, right?

Uh... uh... Jack Abramoff! Mark Foley! Uh... uh... BUSHBUSHBUSHBUSHBUSHBUSH!

No, the Democrats got elected to office and placed in power because of what the Republicans did and did not do for 8 years.

Thanks for coming over and watching TV with me last night. That way you could post about what I did or did not watch for me so I didn't have to.

 

[eaglehockeyrules]

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I'd rather talk about how Chris Dodd is heading up the Senate version of the new Wall Street Bill. Legislation that is sorely needed after a bunch of rich people played Vegas style casino games with the finances of the nation.

Health Care's dead. The epic failure will be heard round the globe. Government health care is so bad that not even America can do it right. We're all a bunch of failures.

Health Care is not dead; I do believe reactionary right wingers/liberals over use that phrase.

So I take it, from your comments below, that you discount/ignore/refute the New England Journal of Medicine's survey?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Health Care is not dead; I do believe reactionary right wingers/liberals over use that phrase.

So I take it, from your comments below, that you discount/ignore/refute the New England Journal of Medicine's survey?

Nope sounds about right. Unfortunately they don't have any solutions to the problem either. A lot of people are getting rich off the status quo, and a lot of other people will get rich off of health care reform if it passes (highly doubt it).

It all depends on who's axe is getting gored. The insurance industry and the doctor's have had years to fix this problem themselves and they chose not to.

 

[Red Cloud]

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Health Care is not dead; I do believe reactionary right wingers/liberals over use that phrase.

So I take it, from your comments below, that you discount/ignore/refute the New England Journal of Medicine's survey?

Heh. Eeyores like Scooby and his dream Playboy centerfold, Nancy Pelosi, act like conservatives don't want health care reform. They couldn't be more wrong. We do! We just want actual reform instead of taking a hatchet to the system and making a lot of what IS right with our healthcare all screwed up!

I mean, let's just ignore the trillions in unfunded mandates that we've already got to deal with between medicaid, medicare, and social security. To improve health care, it's important to improve access and quality of service. Arguably, this bill makes both worse for the vast majority of Americans.

The Keplers of the world want you to focus on the 10 to 15% of Americans that do not have healthcare for one reason or another (many of them either by choice or through simple unwillingness to take advantage of existing programs, for those that are here legally). And yes, for these people, forced to have health insurance, they might have more access than they do now, especially if that's currently zero (which isn't really true for anyone, but it's close for some).

Unfortunately, the trade-off is that everyone else will have access decreased significantly based on simple supply and demand. As your survey mentions, a solid 46% of family practitioners "feel that the passing of health reform will either force them out of medicine or make them want to leave medicine." 36% of physicians already are not recommending that people get into medicine as a career, but that becomes 6 in 10 if this package passes.

What does that mean? Fewer new doctors and nurses coming into the market, with many current doctors and nurses finding a new profession. Less supply.

Meanwhile, this package is supposed to make it easier for everyone to get health insurance and indeed mandates it. More demand.

What does less supply and more demand mean, economic geniuses? That's right - SHORTAGE. We've seen it happen... well, basically anywhere full blown socialized medicine has been tried. That eventually translates into shortage of access across the board (unless, of course, you've got money! The uber-rich have nothing to fear from this legislation! They can just pay straight cash, homie!), and a significant decrease in medical research, because there just won't be as much money in it. That's not just bad for our country, that's bad for the world, because so many medical breakthroughs come from our pharmaceutical and medical research industries.

But nah. We don't need to worry about any of this, people. We need SOMETHING! ANYTHING! This is health-care REFORM, remember? Just by passing this, everything will be sunshine, gumdrops, rainbows and unicorns. Nothing that's good now will possibly get worse, no. And don't believe your lyin' eyes, there's no other solution even POSSIBLE let alone likely.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Heh. Eeyores like Scooby and his dream Playboy centerfold, Nancy Pelosi, act like conservatives don't want health care reform. They couldn't be more wrong. We do!

Liar. You wasted 8 years of everyone's life in power and accomplished nothing. NOTHING.

 

[eaglehockeyrules]

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Liar. You wasted 8 years of everyone's life in power and accomplished nothing. NOTHING.

Bill Clinton? Well, he accomplished a few things with cigars, oops!

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Bill Clinton? Well, he accomplished a few things with cigars, oops!

The Democrats weren't in power for 8 years. They got swept out of Congress after two. And it's going to happen again.

I suppose I should have said 6, but they certainly had it all for a long time and not a single problem was solved. They cut taxes and their legacy is the worst financial collapse since the Great Depression. That's a hell of a domestic record.

 

[eaglehockeyrules]

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The Democrats weren't in power for 8 years. They got swept out of Congress after two. And it's going to happen again.

I suppose I should have said 6, but they certainly had it all for a long time and not a single problem was solved. They cut taxes and their legacy is the worst financial collapse since the Great Depression. That's a hell of a domestic record.

Well if the economy is so bleak, why would Obama focus on health care and illegal immigrant reform? Why on earth would such an omniscient, intelligent and bright man like Obama (Occidental, Columbia, and HLS) allow another 30 million uneducated, non-skilled, non-English speaking in as Americans? Especially when we've 10% unemployment!?

We all know Obama is a social engineer/community organizer. Oh, that's right, those immigrants do the work we do not want to do and it has nothing to do with SEIU. It's a crisis! IT'S A CRISIS!!! Psst... Scooby, what was unemployment % in 1930? Nah, today's climate is ugly, but not a crisis; only a media created hype to get Obama voted in (he smart, non-offensive, well spoken when on the teleprompter and he is not Bush). Now Obama is on the throne, and he has proven himself to be a weak and ineffectual president on a national and international platform. Gone are the days of the Berlin Love Fest "I am a citizen of the world", oh how I wax nostalgically.

Pelosi has more balls than Obama.

 

[Red Cloud]

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Heh. Scooby calls me a liar. That's rich.

You know, because nobody ever has shifting priorities. Ever. Over 8 years, even 10 years now. If conservatives weren't interested in health care reform in 2000, or even in 2007 or 2008, they aren't interested now.

I can see his desperation to make that claim, since it would undermine his "obstructionist" meme (even though there's nothing the GOP can do to obstruct jack squat).

 

[MinnFan]

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Liar. You wasted 8 years of everyone's life in power and accomplished nothing. NOTHING.

I'd rather have nothing than WORSE than we have now.

 

[Wol4ine]

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No, the Democrats got elected to office and placed in power because of what the Republicans did and did not do for 8 years.

You sound like you're still campaigning. "8 years of failed, Bush policies". Capitalism isn't a failed policy, and Bush didn't invent it. I think America is great because of capitalism, you seem to think it's great (assuming you think it's great in the first place) dispite capitalism.

Nope sounds about right. Unfortunately they don't have any solutions to the problem either. A lot of people are getting rich off the status quo, and a lot of other people will get rich off of health care reform if it passes (highly doubt it).

It all depends on who's axe is getting gored. The insurance industry and the doctor's have had years to fix this problem themselves and they chose not to.

If the insurance co's are gouging customers as much as you socialists say, why aren't more insurance companies being created to get a share of the pie?

If my local bakery starts charging double for donuts and coffee, I'm going to buy from a different bakery. If all the bakeries in my town start charging twice what a coffee and donut is worth, I'm going to open up a bakery.

 

[eaglehockeyrules]

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You sound like you're still campaigning. "8 years of failed, Bush policies". Capitalism isn't a failed policy, and Bush didn't invent it. I think America is great because of capitalism, you seem to think it's great (assuming you think it's great in the first place) dispite capitalism.

Not really directed at you Wol4ine, more the Dem/liberal notion.

What happened with wanting to make a profit? Why is profit so bad all of a sudden? Republicans, like Democrats enjoy lining their pockets; why just recently look at where the new Islamic Terrorist Prison is going? Illinois. What state did Obama stump for the Olympics? Illinois.

I went to college, so I could make more money. I pursued a graduate degree to make more money. Why should I be punished, monetarily, by congress, senate and this president... white guilt? Leveling the playing field? Economic justice? Social justice? Because I am white and I have more than the average urban black male? Why can't they work as hard as I did, and pull themselves up by their bootstraps like I did?! Why must there must there be government entitlements to the detriment of the legitimate tax payer?

People voted Obama for hope and change. He lied on the issues he campaigned on, but he was not G W Bush nor Hilliary Clinton. He was new, fresh and exciting even though no one knew what he voted for/against in senate. Idiots. His change was not getting rid of Bush and Bushisms from Washington DC, his change is to change the fundamental core of America values from capitalism to socialism. Is this the change America really wanted?

America became great because people with very little, worked very hard, and made something for themselves and their families... no one was counting on, or wanted to take hand outs.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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I went to college, so I could make more money. I pursued a graduate degree to make more money. Why should I be punished, monetarily, by congress, senate and this president... white guilt? Leveling the playing field? Economic justice? Social justice? Because I am white and I have more than the average urban black male? Why can't they work as hard as I did, and pull themselves up by their bootstraps like I did?! Why must there must there be government entitlements to the detriment of the legitimate tax payer?

Perhaps you should move to a 3rd world country. One with no taxes. And see how far your college degree gets you.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Heh. Scooby calls me a liar. That's rich.

You know, because nobody ever has shifting priorities. Ever. Over 8 years, even 10 years now. If conservatives weren't interested in health care reform in 2000, or even in 2007 or 2008, they aren't interested now.

I can see his desperation to make that claim, since it would undermine his "obstructionist" meme (even though there's nothing the GOP can do to obstruct jack squat).

Well, we certainly all understand what the priorities were when Bush took office. The financial rubble after he left certainly showed a step forward in America.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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If the insurance co's are gouging customers as much as you socialists say, why aren't more insurance companies being created to get a share of the pie?

If my local bakery starts charging double for donuts and coffee, I'm going to buy from a different bakery. If all the bakeries in my town start charging twice what a coffee and donut is worth, I'm going to open up a bakery.

No one else gets to raise their prices over 10% per year. Why do insurance companies?