Notre Dame leaves Hockey East for Big 10

[dxmnkd316]

Re: Notre Dame leaves Hockey East for Big 10

Ummm
They were getting that 1/2 billion anyhows, yes?

The $20mm is new.

Rutgers went from around $400 million per year for 2010, 2011, and 2012. 2013 saw an uptick to $490 million. In 2014 they jumped to a staggering $644 million. Maryland has been holding steady since about 2010. Nebraska has been holding steady except for a big hiccup when they lost AAU membership. However, the next year when they joined the CIC, that slowly climbed back up and is now at record levels.

Edit: Upon further review, it looks like the 2014 bump came from integration of the Rutgers Biomedical Health Services with the main university.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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Personally I think the 8th will be Omaha. The Nebraska University system will be used as a whole to get AAU recognition or at least the semblance of it back for Nebraska when their medical school was deemed part of Omaha not Lincoln. Nebraska initially got into the B1G because they had AAU status. This could save face for Nebraska. This could be a way around AAU affiliate.

UN-Lincoln got the boot from AAU because too much of their research was non-competitive grants is what I'd read. This is the first (and only) place I've seen the med school claim as the issue.

Nebraska has lagged behind most others on the criteria for membership — primarily competitive research financing and the share of faculty in the National Academies, which issues policy reports and advice.

Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/03/education/03aau.html?_r=0

Those problems haven't changed in the mean time so your notion has some holes.

Even so, and no matter, UNL won't stand for UNO being their hockey surrogate. In that state it's Big Red and all the rest (Omaha, Kearney).

 

[UML Puck Hawk]

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Possibly. But it's probably it was the guy who was saying that the Computers Screwed UML!!!1!111!! from last year.

I doubt it because I don't think last years guy was working for the Sun 5 years ago. Then again I started following Lowell as Scoggins was on the way out, so I can't really say

 

[dxmnkd316]

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UN-Lincoln got the boot from AAU because too much of their research was non-competitive grants is what I'd read. This is the first (and only) place I've seen the med school claim as the issue.


Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/03/education/03aau.html?_r=0

Those problems haven't changed in the mean time so your notion has some holes.

Even so, and no matter, UNL won't stand for UNO being their hockey surrogate. In that state it's Big Red and all the rest (Omaha, Kearney).

http://journalstar.com/news/local/education/article_d9eca939-b681-535d-ad1a-a98d9ef3b01e.html

Agreed on the last part though. They wouldn't allow UNO to use the term 'surrogate'. But I don't think UNL cares about hockey enough to throw a stink of UNO joins as an affiliate member. Nor do I think it's a ploy for AAU reconsideration or anything like that (not that anyone suggested this).

 

[4four4]

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They are also the biggest research institution in the nation.

Part of the deal with Big Ten they get to use the Big Ten research cancer consortium and Big Ten in house research internet network. https://www.bigtencrc.org/

 

[dxmnkd316]

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I don't think JHU gets CIC access.

Edit. Misread that. Hasn't heard of the CRC

 

[4four4]

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I don't think JHU gets CIC access.

Edit. Misread that. Hasn't heard of the CRC

I also made a edit.

 

[SteveO]

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UN-Lincoln got the boot from AAU because too much of their research was non-competitive grants is what I'd read. This is the first (and only) place I've seen the med school claim as the issue.

There seems to be a fair amount of misunderstanding and misinformation on this site in discussing UNL's departure from the AAU as it pertains to their medical school facilities and grant allocations. I would not use the term, "non-competitive" which implies that formula driven grants are not subject to a federally funded review process.

Harvey Perlman, Nebraska's chancellor, said after AAU rescinded UNL's membership that Nebraska was at a particular disadvantage because of their lack of an "on-campus" medical school.

A medical school both improves an institution's absolute number of research dollars and improves its score on the ratio of research output to tenure-track faculty, since medical schools often rely heavily on researchers who are not tenure-track faculty. So even though other AAU members, such as Cornell and Penn St. for example, lack medical schools on their main campuses, Nebraska's medical school is different from an AAU perspective because it is under a totally separate administrative structure from the Lincoln campus (Omaha). As a result, its peer reviewed research grants allocated for medical research were subsequently "not counted" by the AAU's quantitative research design used to normalize it's rankings.

Secondly, as I mentioned before in an earlier post, Nebraska was hurt in the AAU rankings by the normalization process that determines per-faculty research rewards by dividing total research dollars by the number of faculty members at an institution. Since UNL is by and large a land based grant institution most of their federally funded grants are earmarked or formulated for Ag research, NOT peer reviewed, which are "not counted" or normalized by the AAU metric either.

IMO the AAU is myopic in their overemphasis on STEM research at the expense of USDA grants at Ag schools like UNL. For Nebraska, that meant total research dollars were divided by a significant portion of faculty devoted to agricultural research which resulted in a lower metric score that eventually led to UNL's dismissal by 2 votes.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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I feel like that was a good trade for all involved and cancer patients. Especially when JHU is a behemoth for research. They spend about a billion more than the next school.

 

[SteveO]

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I feel like that was a good trade for all involved and cancer patients. Especially when JHU is a behemoth for research. They spend about a billion more than the next school.

Agreed, John Hopkins is on the top of the mountain in research $$$. What do you mean "good trade"?

 

[fr. joe]

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Will this start the Eastern equivalent of the Great Western Schism?

1056: Great Western Schism (Constantinople goes it alone...)

2017: Great Western Schism II (Notre Dame faces east no longer...)

 

[dxmnkd316]

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They get to play under the big ten banner, humanity gets that much closer to a cure for cancer.

 

[alslammerz]

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I'm curious what makes HC a better fit for ECAC than RIT?

RIT ticks all the boxes: arena, culturally/philosophically, rabid students, Liberty League, etc
HC has advantages of geography and perhaps snob appeal


From RIT perspective however it would be no more NCAA tourney w/ an anemic Pairwise

I'm admittedly biased but I think RIT brings so much more to the table for ECAC than HC does, that a slight change in travel plans is probably worth it.

Holy Cross is a Patriot League school which is a direct match to Colgate and the Patriot League and Ivy League often pair together for football and basketball, similar academics. It's also a full D-I school and not a D-III playup. Geographically, if Quinnipiac leaves, Yale and Princeton get paired together, Brown and Dartmouth get paired together, and Harvard and Holy Cross get paired together (among other combos).

As for RIT, they are a better hockey program with a better fan base, but hockey considerations aren't going to be a driving factor for the ECAC I think. They do have conference history with other Liberty League schools of the historical D-III playups. If RIT joins - - - who do you pair them up with? Split up Cornell and Colgate? A Princeton to Rochester trip? They made slightly more sense when RPI was in the Hockey East talk back before UConn joined but that's a major change to the schedule and adds a western NY road trip for all of the eastern teams.

Of course I'm admittedly biased and want the Ivies to leave the ECAC all together so...

 

[SteveO]

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they get to play under the big ten banner, humanity gets that much closer to a cure for cancer.

 

[Slap Shot]

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Imagine North Dakota joining.

Although I never thought ND would join as it seemed there were too many hurdles - even though now in hindsight it seems almost obvious? - and perhaps just as naively I don't think it will ever happen with UND - heads would splode.



^I know that was terribly constructed, but dammit I'm tired. -

 

[satking]

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So Notre Dame couldn't win in Hockey East so they will move to an easier league hoping to get to the top there.....good luck

Now Hockey East can wait and see what school as the guts to step up to first class hockey

 

[mnstate0fhockey]

So Notre Dame couldn't win in Hockey East so they will move to an easier league hoping to get to the top there.....good luck

Now Hockey East can wait and see what school as the guts to step up to first class hockey

They finished 3rd in Hockey East. Let's stop being stupid and pretending they made the move for those reasons.

 

[Middle Street]

They finished 3rd in Hockey East. Let's stop being stupid and pretending they made the move for those reasons.

Funny you mention that. I saw this in a USCHO article today.

"Despite Notre Dame’s high standing in the Hockey East ranks this year, the placement is deceptive. The Irish were 3-8-6 (a .353 winning percentage) against teams that made the tournament this year, including 3-7-2 against Hockey East teams who made the tournament. The Irish might have their hands full against Michigan in Cincinnati on Friday night."

http://www.uscho.com/2016/03/23/num...o-note-for-the-ncaa-tournament/#ixzz43luDE6uZ

 

[Rhett Hot]

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You people have too much free time.

ND leaving. Thank the hockey gods. Don't belong I'm HEA anyways

 

[Slap Shot]

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Funny you mention that. I saw this in a USCHO article today.

"Despite Notre Dame’s high standing in the Hockey East ranks this year, the placement is deceptive. The Irish were 3-8-6 (a .353 winning percentage) against teams that made the tournament this year, including 3-7-2 against Hockey East teams who made the tournament. The Irish might have their hands full against Michigan in Cincinnati on Friday night."

http://www.uscho.com/2016/03/23/num...o-note-for-the-ncaa-tournament/#ixzz43luDE6uZ

I'd imagine they're not the only team to not light it up against other tourney teams if said struggles still allowed them 3rd in the conference.