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Notre Dame leaves Hockey East for Big 10

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fightingsiouxfan16 said:
Yes the MAAC ousted them
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Unfortunate. But only hockey seems to work without an all sports conference setup. Baseball has got to be hard with no league to play in...impossible really. Although, I do think financially, SNHU could afford to be D1- it isn't likely a move we would see. Hockey is the only program that has no chance to win a national title...I have an email into the school...I feel D2 is just an embarrassment- for hockey.
 
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SNHUPenman said:
Unfortunate. But only hockey seems to work without an all sports conference setup. Baseball has got to be hard with no league to play in...impossible really. Although, I do think financially, SNHU could afford to be D1- it isn't likely a move we would see. Hockey is the only program that has no chance to win a national title...I have an email into the school...I feel D2 is just an embarrassment- for hockey.
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If im reading what you wrote correctly idk how many teams still do it but you had a couple in lacrosse. I know Hopkins now is part of the big 10.
 
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Rightnut said:
I'm sure that this has been asked and answered before somewhere else but I am too lazy to look - why is that that Notre Dame doesn't have a women's hockey team?
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Same reasons UM and MSU do not.
 
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fightingsiouxfan16 said:
If im reading what you wrote correctly idk how many teams still do it but you had a couple in lacrosse. I know Hopkins now is part of the big 10.
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True, there are more than just hockey. I would think off the top of my head that hockey has got to have the most teams playing up. I think it would just be a shame if the NCAA wouldn't let programs move, especially when there are just not that many team in hockey. It's not like a grab for basketball money or a move for football. In the grand scheme of the NCAA world, hockey is not of much value to the powers that be.
 
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Rightnut said:
I'm sure that this has been asked and answered before somewhere else but I am too lazy to look - why is that that Notre Dame doesn't have a women's hockey team?
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The nuns threatened to break out their rulers.
 
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Patman said:
Oh, sure, they're going to just "shareies" the money. Like there's a God given specific big10 slush pool enshrined by congress.
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There is a degree of sharing of grants/funds amongst the CIC schools.

mookie1995 said:
All that BTN $$$ and football Conf championship $$$ is so small, Egypt they just give t away? Donate to needed folks?

So unimportant we're told
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It's not that Ahtletic $$$ are unimportant, or that the TV markets Rutgers/Maryland added don't matter. Of course they do. The fact is that for better or worse, historically, Big10 membership and CIC membership have been linked by the school Presidents. One comes with the other. Now, could they separate the 2 in the future? Sure. The affiliate memberships open up all kinds of changes/new possibilities. However, right or wrong, or the Presidents have effectively NOT separated the two.

And as Exile pointed out. although the Athletic Dept $$$ and BTN TV $$$ certainly matter, the research $$$ matter more, specifically because of sharing/cooperation arrangements among the CIC. So, admitting someone into the CIC with fewer research funding can have an adverse impact on the existing members. Again, in the future they could admit an institution to the Big10; but, not the CIC. However, that doesn't seem to be how they like to operate.

So, if I'm predicting who the B1G10 may add membership wise, it only makes sense to look at what the decison makers have demonstrated matters to them. And that means that AAU membership and research funding matter. Maybe it shouldn't matter. Maybe the Presidents of the schools are a bunch of pompous A*holes who like patting themselves on the shoulder. But, the facts are that those are more important factors (at least for full membership) than atheltic or other factors.
 
TUSCHWI said:
Though someone on another thread was talking about chatter that Miami and/or Western Michigan joining the Big Ten? If that happened, then ASU could join the NCHC. Miami would be a great fit for the Big Ten..
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Not happening. Miami is an undergraduate focused institution that cares more about the education of its students than its professors' research. As we've learned today that's a non-starter...

And then there is the Ohio State factor - they killed the move long ago they'd do it again in a heartbeat with the entire states' support. Just look at how the state has expressly diverted funding from Miami to OSU. Miami being the best university in the state was simply unacceptable...

The B1G is all about - and only about - cash. They don't truly care about how they get it. Academics, TV, athletics or market - if you bring cash they'll rationalize fitting you in. Everyone knew Nebraska was losing their AAU membership, but no one cared. They rationalized it. They'll do the same for ASU, NDak (academic powerhouses!) or whoever and continue to thumb their superiority at UConn and everyone else for whatever reasons they can come up with. There is no more self-satisfied organization in sports...
 
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TUSCHWI said:
Though someone on another thread was talking about chatter that Miami and/or Western Michigan joining the Big Ten? If that happened, then ASU could join the NCHC. Miami would be a great fit for the Big Ten.
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The B1Gs getting in bed with MAC schools? now I've heard everything.
pure Miami State fantasy.
 
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Regarding the Big Ten and "no affiliates", clearly those days are over (see Hopkins lacrosse and now NDU hockey).

What is nearly as stunning to me is the guys who broke the story went on to muse this (regarding an eighth B1G Hockey member):

An NCHC team might fit in the Big Ten
But if the league does try to add one more team, would a school like Omaha or Denver or North Dakota fit better into the Big Ten’s future? Perhaps.

Now that the door has been opened for affiliate membership in the Big Ten, any number of schools could make a case for being a good fit. But NCHC schools might form the most likely group from which the Big Ten would pick.

From a fan standpoint, schools could stand to gain in attendance from resuming more regular series against teams their followers knew for years before the conference split.

North Dakota would be a coup for the Big Ten in terms of answering some of the loudest fan complaints and putting back together the league rivalries with Minnesota and Wisconsin, but we’re getting way ahead of ourselves here.
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Source: http://www.uscho.com/from-the-press...onference-arms-race-is-back-on/#ixzz43lBIS3tH

Now that the affiliate genie is out of the B1G bottle, would the AAU mindset for affiliates be the next to fall? There aren't that many hockey playing AAU schools out there that would add fan interest in (empty) Kohl and Mariucci.

And I'm stunned USCHO said something that complimentary about North Dakota.
 
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I'd like to point out the Lowell Sun article from 2011 or thereabouts that talked about Notre Dame joining Hockey East was going to prevent UML, NU, MC, UMASS and PC from ever succeeding in Hockey East.

Gee.
 
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Glad to see them go even though Lowell had no problem betting the team with the gaudy helmets.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Regarding the Big Ten and "no affiliates", clearly those days are over (see Hopkins lacrosse and now NDU hockey).

What is nearly as stunning to me is the guys who broke the story went on to muse this (regarding an eighth B1G Hockey member):



Source: http://www.uscho.com/from-the-press...onference-arms-race-is-back-on/#ixzz43lBIS3tH

Now that the affiliate genie is out of the B1G bottle, would the AAU mindset for affiliates be the next to fall? There aren't that many hockey playing AAU schools out there that would add fan interest in (empty) Kohl and Mariucci.

And I'm stunned USCHO said something that complimentary about North Dakota.
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Personally I think the 8th will be Omaha. The Nebraska University system will be used as a whole to get AAU recognition or at least the semblance of it back for Nebraska when their medical school was deemed part of Omaha not Lincoln. Nebraska initially got into the B1G because they had AAU status. This could save face for Nebraska. This could be a way around AAU affiliate.
 
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Jon said:
I'd like to point out the Lowell Sun article from 2011 or thereabouts that talked about Notre Dame joining Hockey East was going to prevent UML, NU, MC, UMASS and PC from ever succeeding in Hockey East.

Gee.
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Chaz Scoggins?
 
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