Notre Dame leaves Hockey East for Big 10

[pennstate95]

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While I agree Notre Dame makes good sense in the Big Ten, I'm also confused about this misguided UConn venom in regard to its academics. Just look at the US News rankings of top public universities. UConn at No. 19 in the nation would rank No. 6 among the current 14-school Big Ten membership (behind Michigan, Illinois, Wisconsin, Penn State, and Ohio State). Maryland is tied for No. 19. No one else in the Big Ten is in the top 20; a few are outside the top 40. There are plenty of AAU schools in all leagues that entered that invitation-only club as far back as 1900, when research measurables were quite different -- and if you stacked UConn's standard quality metrics against them today, UConn easily would rank in the 50th percentile of AAU schools. Plus, find me another university where the state has announced a $2B investment into STEM at its flagship school. You have a right to not like UConn, but the false disparaging of its academic profile makes no sense.

 

[SanTropez]

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haha

Now HE fans are all butt hurt..

 

[mookie1995]

haha

Now HE fans are all butt hurt..

All that graduate research money and they can't cure reading comprehension disorder

 

[Yuppie Scum]

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****, 90 minutes is a bad thing?

Minnesota fans do that to Duluth and Mankato all the time. And vice versa.

This is why HEA is such a great league. It's very plausible for a fan in the Boston metro area to attend an away game at most of the conference opponents on a Friday night after work and still make it to the home tilt the next day.

Then again, it can take 90 minutes to make it from Boston to North Andover on a friday night too if you don't plan right.

I'd also like Bentley in conference A) for selfish reasons since I live a mile from their campus, B) we could womp on them for a few years while they build up, C) Lots of alums in the area and D) They seem to have passionate fans despite their ****hole of a rink (see their active threads on this board)

 

[jcarter7669]

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haha

Now HE fans are all butt hurt..

?? No one really wanted them when they joined the league. Those who did regretted it after watching the first game with those hideous helmets out there on the ice. After that the fans left the forums because us HE fans were to mean, I mean I did offer them tissues....

Whats worse we brought in UConn because of them... and now we are still stuck with the UConn fans. Butt hurt...no. Today reading this has been one of the best days this year for me. Except the reminder we still have UConn.

 

[SteveO]

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Oh, sure, they're going to just "shareies" the money. Like there's a God given specific big10 slush pool enshrined by congress.

I'm going to ramble on this a bit...

In all fairness to his point, the CIC is a collaborative research organization of Big Ten schools that engages billions of federal grant allocations to multi-research efforts. The Big Ten/CIC-Ivy League Traumatic Brain Injury Research Collaboration is currently a flagship endeavor that engages and employs several hundred faculty and students in TBI research. However, the total federal funding for peer reviewed research grants for CIC is only about 10-12% of all such funding among Big Ten schools. The Big Ten is mostly concerned with peer reviewed research grants vs formula or earmark grants, the latter of which have been subordinated by the AAU which has moved to a much more quantified criteria, with an increasing emphasis on a rankings methodology.

That's why UNL was given the boot after 102 years of membership by only 2 votes. It is well documented that the voting process was suspect I might add with the voting deadline extended covertly against UNL that led to their demise. Most of their Ag grant funding is formula or earmarked as a land grant institution in a farming state AND having their medical school off campus in Omaha hurt their AAU metric ranking as well. Overall, IMO as a faculty member, the AAU is basically a mutual admiration society with a far too single minded emphasis today on the top STEM research universities. The exclusion of USDA funds is illogical and only serves to keep successful Ag schools out of the AAU.

 

[J.D.]

Maryland and Rutgers were brought in specifically and ONLY so that the BTN can charge in market rates for NYC, Baltimore, and DC metro areas.
Purely for money, no other competitive reason

End of story...follow the money

Nah. They are research powerhouses

 

[Patman]

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I'm going to ramble on this a bit...

In all fairness to his point, the CIC is a collaborative research organization of Big Ten schools that engages billions of federal grant allocations to multi-research efforts. The Big Ten/CIC-Ivy League Traumatic Brain Injury Research Collaboration is currently a flagship endeavor that engages and employs several hundred faculty and students in TBI research. However, the total federal funding for peer reviewed research grants for CIC is only about 10-12% of all such funding among Big Ten schools. The Big Ten is mostly concerned with peer reviewed research grants vs formula or earmark grants, the latter of which have been subordinated by the AAU which has moved to a much more quantified criteria, with an increasing emphasis on a rankings methodology.

That's why UNL was given the boot after 102 years of membership by only 2 votes. It is well documented that the voting process was suspect I might add with the voting deadline extended covertly against UNL that led to their demise. Most of their Ag grant funding is formula or earmarked as a land grant institution in a farming state AND having their medical school off campus in Omaha hurt their AAU metric ranking as well. Overall, IMO as a faculty member, the AAU is basically a mutual admiration society with a far too single minded emphasis today on the top STEM research universities. The exclusion of USDA funds is illogical and only serves to keep successful Ag schools out of the AAU.

I'm sure there's more than a bit of BS with the AAU criterion... I was thinking that the B10 could be seen as a lobbying organization with regards to academics. AAU can certainly be seen that way... and as such I think they'd want to keep their special roles to themselves until their credibility is at risk.

edit: my boss is also a tenured professor at an AAU institution, maybe I'll ask him about the AAU realities

 

[Nick Papagiorgio]

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While I agree Notre Dame makes good sense in the Big Ten, I'm also confused about this misguided UConn venom in regard to its academics. Just look at the US News rankings of top public universities. UConn at No. 19 in the nation would rank No. 6 among the current 14-school Big Ten membership (behind Michigan, Illinois, Wisconsin, Penn State, and Ohio State). Maryland is tied for No. 19. No one else in the Big Ten is in the top 20; a few are outside the top 40. There are plenty of AAU schools in all leagues that entered that invitation-only club as far back as 1900, when research measurables were quite different -- and if you stacked UConn's standard quality metrics against them today, UConn easily would rank in the 50th percentile of AAU schools. Plus, find me another university where the state has announced a $2B investment into STEM at its flagship school. You have a right to not like UConn, but the false disparaging of its academic profile makes no sense.

Oh look a Uconn fan posing as a PSU fan.

Upstater is that you?

 

[RIT Winters]

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Doesn't disrupt the travel partners as much.

I'm admittedly biased but I think RIT brings so much more to the table for ECAC than HC does, that a slight change in travel plans is probably worth it.

 

[Nick Papagiorgio]

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?? No one really wanted them when they joined the league. Those who did regretted it after watching the first game with those hideous helmets out there on the ice. After that the fans left the forums because us HE fans were to mean, I mean I did offer them tissues....

Whats worse we brought in UConn because of them... and now we are still stuck with the UConn fans. Butt hurt...no. Today reading this has been one of the best days this year for me. Except the reminder we still have UConn.

100% truth here JC.

 

[TUSCHWI]

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"Big Ten deputy commissioner Brad Traviolia said there are no current plans to expand to eight."

My a**. He's not even a good liar.

Agreed. I think the B1G was saying that almost until the day Nebraska joined up in all sports. You need to have 8 teams schedule-wise and for the playoffs - the playoffs!? - and I guess ASU seems like the only available choice. Though someone on another thread was talking about chatter that Miami and/or Western Michigan joining the Big Ten? If that happened, then ASU could join the NCHC. Miami would be a great fit for the Big Ten.

ND joining the Big Ten in hockey should have happened years ago. HE just didn't make sense geographically or in any way really.

 

[J.D.]

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Can't believe nobody has mentioned harvard to hockey east

 

[claver2010]

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Oh look a Uconn fan posing as a PSU fan.

Upstater is that you?

my guess is dooley or fdny

 

[Crimson on the Glass]

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Can't believe nobody has mentioned harvard to hockey east

And we have a winner.

 

[mookie1995]

Can't believe nobody has mentioned harvard to hockey east

bc would reject them as having inferior academics

 

[Yuppie Scum]

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I wonder if ND will ever pay the break-up fee, if ND will ever pay the unpaid dues, and what HEA exactly would do with that money anyway? Does it get spread to all member programs, used to rent the garden, what?

 

[UML Puck Hawk]

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Their athletic department is sort of holding them back academically. At least for major research opportunities. Though they do hold their own at around $121 million in research expenditures. Which is about $40 million less than the lowest Big Ten/CIC member, Indiana.

I would love to hear an explanation of how athletics is hindering their ability to attract DoE, DoD, NSF, NIH grants. Enlighten me

Still would enjoy a lesson in how athletics effects funding procurement. I guess I will ask my adviser is he feels GTs Orange Bowl victory gave him a leg up on his grant procurement this year, and how the Clemson losing the national championship to Bama will effect my funding next year.

Also can we discuss where people are looking at grant money like its revenue for the school? The average professor has 25% of their base salary covered by their grants. The majority of the money goes to paying my salary and providing me with the resources I need to do meaningful research. We collaborate with other schools which some of which are AAU members others aren't.

 

[UML Puck Hawk]

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I wonder if ND will ever pay the break-up fee, if ND will ever pay the unpaid dues, and what HEA exactly would do with that money anyway? Does it get spread to all member programs, used to rent the garden, what?

I recall BU being denied conference postseason eligibility by America East when they jumped to the Patriot League. I wonder if Hockey East wanted to make it really hurt, could they deny Notre Dame from the tournament next year and therefore not be required to revenue share the money from the Hockey East playoffs.

That would make the financials

1. Pay the rest of your entrance fee
2. Pay the exit fee (estimated $250k)
3. Not be able to use conference revenue sharing to perform either of these tasks.

 

[bronconick]

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Not shocking. Notre Dame will set their campus ablaze before giving up their football independence. They're perfectly willing to whore around for homes for any other sport, however.