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Notre Dame Hockey 2014-15: The year of the Freshman

Re: Notre Dame Hockey 2014-15: The year of the Freshman

There could be more replays of the actual game, like penalties, goals, hard hits etc. instead of some kind of loud music. Something that at least keeps the focus on hockey instead of all the other stuff.

Notre Dame I think generally feels it is beneath them to show replays of controversial plays on the video boards, a very misguided and transparent attempt to appear "classy." They also are very quick to blare something over the sound system at the first hint of a bad call by a referee, thus preventing fans from letting the refs know what they think. Maybe they are getting away from this because they did show replays of the waived off goal against UML, so that was a welcome sight at least.

Perhaps all the extra stuff going on is what stops us from doing or making any cool cheers you find elsewhere. We are so lame. All we have is "go irish, beat (whoever)" and when we score who knows what we say to the goalie (since it seems to change slightly). Really only the band says any cheers. We don't say anything when we go on the power play. or anything when the penalty is on us. or anything when they score. Or anything when anything happens. It would be fun to have some kind of culture that really gets you into the game.

In the final few seasons at the Joyce the crowd was much more involved. The band was the main source of music and while they did play a few things over the PA it wasn't the constant Jock-Rock crap we put up with now, and it wasn't at a dangerous volume level, and it wasn't at every stoppage in play. The place was a lot more intimate than the CFIA and players on both teams and the referees were always able to hear what was directed towards them by a lot of individual fans as well as the collective crowd.

Despite the fact everyone considered the place a dump (it wasn't, it was just cramped and small and didn't have all the bells and whistles the CFIA has) I loved it. We were just as good at home there as we are in the CFIA. Better if you consider we didn't load up on NCAA bottom feeders for non-conference play on a regular basis. We are 9-0 the last two seasons against LSSU, UAH and Niagara. Hockey was what mattered.

Notre Dame is wandering through some very dangerous territory right now. There is a serious disconnect between where they were when the CFIA opened and where they are now. All the crap going on there that I hate has done nothing to make the team more formidable than it was at the Joyce, nor has it helped preserve large crowds. No games with fewer than 4000 in attendance in the first 3 season and now 5 already this year. Sellouts are happening with much less frequency now than in the first two seasons (11 in each of the first two regular seasons, 6 last year in more home games than ever before and on a pace this season for 5). As they've added more and more distractions to the experience, the average crowd has shrunk and the sellouts have dropped quite alarmingly. The response from Notre Dame will probably be to add even more distractions and play even more NCAA bottom feeders. And I've got news for the powers that be at Notre Dame. Its' quite obvious you are lying about the crowds at most games anyway this season. Sellouts 3 years ago had few empty seats. Now they have hundreds, if not more. And some of those so-called crowds of 4000? You were lucky to have 2500 in the place.

When they opened that building I couldn't believe what I was seeing. 35 years after seeing my first Notre Dame hockey game I was moved nearly to the point of tears as the Star Spangled Banner played before that first game against RPI. Beating BC in the dedication contest a couple of weeks after that was one of the most exciting sporting events I have ever witnessed in person. Now there are so many things about it that turn me off, the excitement of going to a game is nearly gone. I didn't even make the opening faceoff for the OSU game. As JJfP said in her post, it isn't the bad hockey. Let's face it, for most of the time I have been a fan, the hockey was mediocre at best, downright awful at worst. I'm no fair weather fan. I can put up with poorly played or poorly coached hockey. But not at the same time I have to put up with 2 and half hours of overwhelming assault on my senses. I go to sporting events because they are fun. When they stop being fun, I stop going. Based on what I am seeing in the ways of 1000s of empty seats at the CFIA, I'm guessing a lot of people aren't finding it fun anymore.
 
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I couldn't agree more. I find myself going to fewer and fewer games. When I do go the passions is not there anymore. I would have never missed a game in the years between 06 and 09. It is also why I haven't posted here in quite some time. I just don't care anymore. I could see this happening two years ago and commented here about it. It is only gotten worse. Anyone see the little kid on the video board who had to wear sound suppression things on his ears just so he could attend the game.

I miss the JACC, but even more so I miss the hockey that was played there those last 5 years. Folks I don't think it is ever coming back. The arrogance and greed is so great right now at ND that they'll never see the problem. Brian Kelly is the perfect representative of the university and in his words you " better get used to it."

So sad.
 
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Well, we've seen what Notre Dame can do against the worst the NCAA has to offer. LSSU, Niagara and UMass (collectively 10-37-0) are all 50th or worse in both KRACH and the RPI and the Irish are 6-0 against them. Even then they struggled to put all of them away once, needing empty net goals against each for the final margins on the opening night of each series. Against the other 8 teams on the schedule Notre Dame is just 2-8-2. In those 12 games the Irish have been all over the map, with the only constant the awful power play. They've looked horrible against teams mediocre and good. And they've looked pretty good against a couple of pretty good teams. And there's the OSU game which is in a class by itself. Only time and the next 20 games will tell which team is the real Notre Dame hockey team for 2014-15.

Saturday's game against UMass seemed to indicate perhaps the corner has been turned and maybe the OSU game lit a fire underneath a few tails. But there have already been a couple of points during the season where it looked like the same turn was made, only to get right back to doing all the wrong things again. The second games against LSSU and Niagara, but those were against awful teams. The second game against UML, which Notre Dame clearly thought they had won save for one bad call only to follow it up with the lost weekend of the Shillelagh Tournament.

This team can no longer lean on the inexperience crutch. All of the new faces have seen plenty of ice time, most of them skating regular shifts. There's been power play and/or penalty kill time for all of them. Petersen and Katunar each have ample experience between the pipes now. The freshmen will have been through their first finals week by the time they take the ice again in Florida. Jackson and the rest of the staff have had 18 games and 2 plus months of practice to see what is and is not being learned. It is time to see some positive results on the ice and in the standings.

2 seasons ago after losing another opening round NCAA tournament game as a #1 seed, Jackson blasted the stale atmosphere and tiny crowd in Toledo. Along with all of the other advantages the CFIA was supposed to provide to this program the NCAA was forced to award a regional to this building and Notre Dame because not another entity offered a bid for the Midwest Regional. Hopefully it should be understood that Notre Dame did not submit this bid because they thought that even absent the host team it would be a successful venture. They've been given the gift of home ice -- actual home ice -- not enjoyed by a team in the NCAA in the previous 6 seasons. The expectations -- realistic and completely fair given the level of talent and advantages the program has at its disposal -- were that Notre Dame should be, and WOULD BE, one of the 16 teams in the 2015 NCAA tournament. A failure to live up to that and serious questions about everything related to the program will be begged. Questions about the type of student-athletes they are recruiting. The coaching. Even how they run game day management.

Or who knows, maybe it was all about getting the d a m n thing built and nothing else.
 
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Part of me wondered if they had turned a cornor, but I dare not say it.
Some sites (like chn and ND own post at one point) said the Irish went 0-9 on the power play, although others have 1 for 10 with Russo's last goal being a PPG. I wasn't there, but seems pretty obvious it was a PPG.

On the bright side, first sweep on the road in Hockey East.
And really, if you look at it they are in a good spot for conference standings, shoot for a top four and bye first round?? I was hoping they would improve on the 9-9-2 conference play which it looks like they could do.

That being said.....
OSU game apparently lit a fire under some of them and they played well.
which means.....
They will take winning for granted again because, well see?? It does come easy.
which means......
Miami will probably crush them like something fierce.
which means.....
We win again against LSSU and people are all like. yea we win!!!! and still at .500!!!!
which means.....
January will suck.

Or perhaps we did wake up, we beat Miami somehow. We play Cornell and beat them too. Then suddenly go into Jan. not as rusty as before and start sweeping in hockey east.
Sigh, which dream to follow?
 
Re: Notre Dame Hockey 2014-15: The year of the Freshman

Russo's goal in the third period was a 5-3 PP goal.

Based on what's we've seen so far this season, the up and down nature of the team will continue. We haven't seen sustained success yet, nor have we even seen two straight games where the team played well for a full 60 minutes. After an 18 game sample of this, I have no reason to think anything will substantially change over the next 20 games.

We have at least one game in hand (and 2 or even 3 games) on all 4 teams above us in the standings. We hold the tiebreak with Vermont. We still have half our HE games at home. So there is some hope for a decent HE finish, hopefully better than last year's .500, 8th place finish. But with Jackson's oft stated goal of a top-4 conference finish, I will still wonder where the mind-set of the team will be as the season winds down. We're almost there right now in 5th. I hate setting a goal so low. You're Notre Dame for crying out loud. If you have a goal, it should be to finish in first. Period. If you're UConn, don't set a goal other than to win as many as you can and improve as you get used to playing in a much better league. But Notre Dame? The goal should be banners, titles, championships.

Our worst problem is that the team is so buried right now in the RPI. 32nd. And if we do start winning and see some radical improvement in that number, earlier wins against Niagara or LSSU may come off our RPI calculation so some of those wins will cease to matter. We don't have to win the Hockey East playoff to get into the NCAAs. Yet. But another mediocre finish in the league and a lack of success or an appearance in Boston in March and we can kiss our chances good-bye.

Our next few weekends of action are where it needs to happen. Miami and Cornell (potentially) can help with our RPI, and after that the first few HE games are against teams behind us in the standings. If we come down to the last month needing to make something happen it will be tough. We close with PC, BU and BC. We closed out last year's regular season 5-0-1 and all that meant was 8th place. I'd hate to have to go 5-0-1 this year to salvage any kind of a finish.
 
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But Notre Dame? The goal should be banners, titles, championships.

I'd like to think so. I know Jackson talked last year of having a goal of final 4, or more precisely make it to the Garden for the HE tourney where "anything can happen" but you have to be there for it to happen. From what I've seen, ND is really experiencing some of their best hockey results in program history. So part of me can see setting a goal of being regulars in the NCAAs where being absent would be a really bad, shocking year etc. As well as good results for the HE tournament. I think Jackson's approach is "we have to get there first before we can win it." As far as the program goes, just making the next small step one at a time. (this year seems to be back a step so far, at least in OCC play).

Any thoughts on the new recruits that just signed for next year?
 
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I know Jackson talked last year of having a goal of final 4, or more precisely make it to the Garden for the HE tourney where "anything can happen" but you have to be there for it to happen.

My big issue with this sort of an attitude or goal is that it differs little from the previous head coach. Poulin would trumpet "going to the Joe" as the mark of a successful season or a worthy goal. Never mind that in some seasons the CCHA took fully half of its teams to Detroit for the championship weekend. Somehow with Jackson's pedigree, the vastly superior recruiting and rosters in terms of raw talent, and the seemingly unlimited commitment of the university to the program, just getting to Boston or finishing the season in the top-4 (regardless of league) seems to be a pretty low bar. I think it sets the wrong tone, sends the wrong message. Strive for perfection and along the way you just may achieve excellence.

From what I've seen, ND is really experiencing some of their best hockey results in program history. So part of me can see setting a goal of being regulars in the NCAAs where being absent would be a really bad, shocking year etc. As well as good results for the HE tournament. I think Jackson's approach is "we have to get there first before we can win it." As far as the program goes, just making the next small step one at a time.

Notre Dame's hockey history had always been one of little support for the program. The results now should be better with anyone at the helm, let alone someone with Jackson's history. Lefty Smith operated with a staff of 3 -- counting the trainer -- for much of the programs early history. TITLE IX constraints, constant rumors of the program's demise, moving to a league thought to be (at the time) a huge step down from the WCHA, and a host of other issues prevented Smith from barely doing more than getting the car out of the garage. With all that Jackson has at his disposal by comparison, the idea of failing for a 4th straight season to win in the NCAAs would be a huge, jolly green giant sized step backwards for the program. A coach in a high profile sport might not survive such a stretch a decade into his tenure. Brady Hoke didn't survive it in less than half that time.

Any thoughts on the new recruits that just signed for next year?

Hard to know. Jackson will say the same thing about every recruit, something along the lines of "great two way player," or "possessing a great all-around game.'' TJ Tynan was not thought to have the kind of upside he showed as a freshman but surprised most of the NCAA with his 20+ goals and 30+ assists. My guess is these guys will all be responsible in their own end but none will be the dynamic offensive player that this team is constantly in short supply of. Malmquist might have the most potential as an offensive force, but the difference between high school hockey (even in Minnesota) and the NCAA is huge. Other than a couple of walk-ons I can't even remember the last Notre Dame player who came to the Irish straight from high school. I wouldn't be surprised if he actually ends up in the USHL next season instead of South Bend. I also think the players who bolted from their verbal commitment to Notre Dame prior to their signing a letter of agreement says as much about the state of the program as the ones who will actually play here. Where those guys are ending up tells me we're recruiting the wrong players for the type of hockey we're playing here, or they are not seeing players develop in the manner they want to see.
 
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hey. i was just running through heisenberg's website and keith tkachuk's kid is not listed as having a home. i thought he was coming to play for all y'all's team. did i misremember something? did something happen that changed this?
 
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It might go down as the high water mark of the season, but that was one gutsy comeback and win. First loss for MU all season when leading after two.
 
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It sounded on the radio like they were playing a lot better, but after being down 2-0 I didn't have much hope. What a comeback. I kept thinking, it is about time we flipped a 2 goal lead after 2 in the right direction. LOL

I noticed all the goals and assists were from freshmen as well, with the exception of the assist by Lucia.
and the usual 0-8 PP. but at least they were 5-5 on the PK.

Was hoping for Cornell but oh well. slow climb up the rpi maybe.

Any news on Dipauli? I know he didn't return against Miami.
 
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Any news on Dipauli? I know he didn't return against Miami.

Out. Thomas is in for him tonight. Typical to come out of a MU game missing at least one player. I will never understand why Notre Dame doesn't retaliate in kind when they play Miami. I would applaud any Irish player who took out the MU player who hit DiPauli, even if it meant a game DQ. Or multiple DQs.
 
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It might go down as the high water mark of the season...

And they follow it up with what might be the low water mark for the season.

I'm gonna say it. It's time for a change behind the bench. 10 years into the regime, 4 years into the life of the CFIA, more NHL draft picks than all but 3 or 4 teams in the NCAA, more "national" TV exposure than any other NCAA team. What more is needed?

In 6 in-season tournament games this year -- none played before a hostile crowd -- Notre Dame was 1-5, scored just 9 goals and was 0-27 on the PP. It's obvious all that talent is going to waste. Either recruit players who are going to fit your style of coaching or adjust your coaching to the skill set of your players. Not counting the games against ND, the combined record of the 6 teams they've played in these three tournaments is 35-56-4. None has a PK that ranks in the top third of the NCAA and other than Miami, none even crack the top half.

But MOTHER**** do we have a great goal horn. I'm told you can hear it all the way to the furthest depths of Lake Superior.
 
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But we are always on the power play so we don't get to ever hear that goal horn.
 
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Someone just pull out a miracle and lets sweep Western.
1. Because we need to, so we can cheer for something.
2. Because it's western and..... yea. (they are in my top 5 teams I don't like)
3. It's close enough to actually know western fans. So for the sake of pride hopefully they play like they want to win.
 
Re: Notre Dame Hockey 2014-15: The year of the Freshman

PP down to 5.9%. Did some checking. In the last 13 seasons no power play in the NCAA has been worse than Notre Dame's is this season. Maybe I missed something, but the worst one I saw since 2002 clicked at 7.1%. How in the heck can these players possibly be this bad? How is it that after 20+ games there hasn't been the first hint of improvement? Those questions can probably be asked of the whole performance of the team actually, and not just the PP. Last night was more of the same. One hint of the talent the team possesses on Lucia's goal, one good second of fundamental hockey where you put bodies in front of a goalie and get the puck to the net on Gross' goal, and little else to show for the other 59 minutes. Jackson remarked after the game once again about a lack of consistency for 60 minutes. How many games do you need to play to know you have to play for 60 minutes to beat anyone?

For all the promise this program should have, it's really been a 5h!t show of a season. But at least tonight it's a home 5h!t show, and I miss having my hearing assaulted by the Notre Dame goal horn. It really is the best in all the land.
 
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