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Norwich Cadets Hockey 2011-2012: In Search of a Title

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This issue is a joke ... there is no good reason why you can't play Saturday night games in the ECAC East ...

Let's Look at travel in this league ...
For Norwich
Castleton and Skidmore ... Travel time home ... 2 Hours
St. A's and NEC ... Travel time home ... 2 Hours
UMass-Boston and Babson ... Travel Time Home ... 3 Hours
UNE and So. Maine ... Travel Time Home ... 4 Hours

So, assuming a 10 PM departure the latest anyone would vbe getting home is 2:00 am ... on a late Saturday night/early Sunday morning ... and if that still leaves people with their noses out of joint about a late arrival time home (Which D-1's do all the time by the way) then maybe you could move to a 6:00 pm start on Saturday instead of 7:00?
 
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PuckVoice said:
This issue is a joke ... there is no good reason why you can't play Saturday night games in the ECAC East ...

Let's Look at travel in this league ...
For Norwich
Castleton and Skidmore ... Travel time home ... 2 Hours
St. A's and NEC ... Travel time home ... 2 Hours
UMass-Boston and Babson ... Travel Time Home ... 3 Hours
UNE and So. Maine ... Travel Time Home ... 4 Hours

So, assuming a 10 PM departure the latest anyone would vbe getting home is 2:00 am ... on a late Saturday night/early Sunday morning ... and if that still leaves people with their noses out of joint about a late arrival time home (Which D-1's do all the time by the way) then maybe you could move to a 6:00 pm start on Saturday instead of 7:00?
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Depending on the rotation, Plattsburgh plays either Buffalo or Fredonia on a Saturday night and returns home after the game. A 7 to 9 hour trip !!
 
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Birdwatcher said:
Depending on the rotation, Plattsburgh plays either Buffalo or Fredonia on a Saturday night and returns home after the game. A 7 to 9 hour trip !!
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Now that trip is FOR THE BIRDS.......had to do it.......
 
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CARDS_rule_the_Burgh said:
Geez, you get an extra month to play with there and you only increase your number of games that count before the Primelink from 2 to 3? :D (granted, there are 5 of your 25 before that, but Dartmouth and St. As don't count hehe)
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I like the fact that the season is still fairly second semester-heavy. Hockey is a winter sport (played on ice and all), and I like to have my winter focused on hockey. Play too many games in the first semester and you have too many weekends off in the second. (or worse, weekends when you only have basketball on the schedule :yuck: )
 
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NUProf said:
I like the fact that the season is still fairly second semester-heavy. Hockey is a winter sport (played on ice and all), and I like to have my winter focused on hockey. Play too many games in the first semester and you have too many weekends off in the second. (or worse, weekends when you only have basketball on the schedule :yuck: )
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Or weekends to checkout other schools ;)
 
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I am very impressed by Norwich's new schedule after the breakup of the interlock. I remember the old days when Norwich and Middlebury used to play UVM on a yearly basis. D3 hockey has improved over the last 10-15 years so it will be interesting to see how competitive Norwich is with Dartmount and Trois-Rivieres, 2 good US and Canadian D1 teams. Also have to wonder if the games will lead to other D3 teams like Oswego, Plattsburgh, and Elmira playing D1 teams like St. Lawrence, RPI, RIT, and Clarkson. Tournamant teams are also impressive.
 
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The only thing that is worrysome that is completely out of control of the coaching staff is that only 20 games will count towards the NCAA criteria this year.

What's unfortunate is that if Norwich accumulates five losses and doesn't win the ECAC East, they'll be in big trouble come selection time.
 
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PrezdeJohnson09 said:
The only thing that is worrysome that is completely out of control of the coaching staff is that only 20 games will count towards the NCAA criteria this year.

What's unfortunate is that if Norwich accumulates five losses and doesn't win the ECAC East, they'll be in big trouble come selection time.
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Unless those losses come in the five games that don't count
 
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well yes....

correct ;)

But realistically Norwich should win four of the five games that don't count.

I was talking about five losses in the games that do count and with:

Middlebury
Plattsburgh (2)
Morrisville
possibly Elmira
Castleton (2)
Babson (2)

That could happen....
 
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PrezdeJohnson09 said:
well yes....

correct ;)

But realistically Norwich should win four of the five games that don't count.

I was talking about five losses in the games that do count and with:

Middlebury
Plattsburgh (2)
Morrisville
possibly Elmira
Castleton (2)
Babson (2)

That could happen....
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And, as far as I'm concerned, if that happens, they wouldn't deserve a bid anyway. The Pool C bids are for the best losers, and you shouldn't plan your season around being a loser...

Just my point of view...I also think that NFL and MLB wild cards are bogus bids as well. Win your league and get on with it.
 
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PrezdeJohnson09 said:
The only thing that is worrysome that is completely out of control of the coaching staff is that only 20 games will count towards the NCAA criteria this year.

What's unfortunate is that if Norwich accumulates five losses and doesn't win the ECAC East, they'll be in big trouble come selection time.
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I agree that it would be unfair if NU would be left out of the tournament because 5 of their games don't count. what is puzzling to me however, according to persons attending the last ECACE coaches meeting, is that if there is one school that is not supportive of efforts to have the St.A's , St.Mike's games count it is Norwich.
The two schools were trying to get league support in their efforts for a waiver and NU
was ambivalent at best.what is going on? just curious
 
hawkhockey said:
I agree that it would be unfair if NU would be left out of the tournament because 5 of their games don't count. what is puzzling to me however, according to persons attending the last ECACE coaches meeting, is that if there is one school that is not supportive of efforts to have the St.A's , St.Mike's games count it is Norwich.
The two schools were trying to get league support in their efforts for a waiver and NU
was ambivalent at best.what is going on? just curious
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I know we've been down this road before, but it is going to take NCAA legislation for the Saints to become eligible for an NCAA hockey tournament. A waiver is not something I see the NCAA approving. It's going to be a D-I/II NCC or a D-II/III National Championship or nothing.

And frankly, I think the former has a better chance of passing given what will probably happen in D-I land after the BTHC gets rolling.

What Norwich does or does not do is immaterial. The Saints will have to get moving with a solution -- soon.
 
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AFAIK, this is their last year. They had two years to get down to D-III or they are out and after this season will two years.
 
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joecct said:
I know we've been down this road before, but it is going to take NCAA legislation for the Saints to become eligible for an NCAA hockey tournament.

What Norwich does or does not do is immaterial. The Saints will have to get moving with a solution -- soon.
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not sure if I can agree with you on NU support.
It makes it a more difficult case to convince the Western teams,MIAC, NCHA etc. to sign on, as they will have to do to get the NCAA to move, if they can't get support from teams in their league.NU's lack of support is not an absolute deal breaker but it surely doesn't help.
 
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hawkhockey said:
not sure if I can agree with you on NU support.
It makes it a more difficult case to convince the Western teams,MIAC, NCHA etc. to sign on, as they will have to do to get the NCAA to move, if they can't get support from teams in their league.NU's lack of support is not an absolute deal breaker but it surely doesn't help.
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Support from the western teams or not, it's going to take a vote by the 447 Institutions in DIII. With 71 DIII men's programs, an additional 3 schools only sponsoring Women's Hockey, and 6 DIII schools that play up to DI, that leave 367 institutions with little to no vested interest in hockey, who will likely look at making an exception for a single sport as "opening a can of worms" so to speak. No, a perceived lack of support from NU does not help. No, a perceived lack of support from the West does not help. Nor would support from either of those camps significantly HELP either. I try to be optimistic, but common sense leads me to believe that anything short of the schools completely reclassifying, as has been discussed with St. Michael's, will lead to nothing but more failure.
 
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CARDS_rule_the_Burgh said:
Support from the western teams or not, it's going to take a vote by the 447 Institutions in DIII. With 71 DIII men's programs, an additional 3 schools only sponsoring Women's Hockey, and 6 DIII schools that play up to DI, that leave 367 institutions with little to no vested interest in hockey, who will likely look at making an exception for a single sport as "opening a can of worms" so to speak. No, a perceived lack of support from NU does not help. No, a perceived lack of support from the West does not help. Nor would support from either of those camps significantly HELP either. I try to be optimistic, but common sense leads me to believe that anything short of the schools completely reclassifying, as has been discussed with St. Michael's, will lead to nothing but more failure.
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what I was getting to was last year's (2010) NCAA DIII Ice hockey survey .This survey was the first step in dealing with this narrow issue.
The results of the survey were varied but a majority of the total DIII schools agreed that the games should count but less than 20% of schools in the West agreed.
Because of the fairly narrow support level, the NCAA decided that since a 2/3 majority did not want the games to count. They tabled the proposal.
The DII's want the survey to be reissued and will begin to lobby the West for support.
The lack of support in the East,especially by teams in their league hurts this effort.
As to the overall vote by all the DIII's ,I don't know but what I do know is without support from the DIII hockey schools, the issue is dead.
 
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