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Nice Plant #7: Get me off of this planet

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SJHovey said:
If I were a cop I wouldn't set foot outside the precinct office unless I had one of those "go pro" type cameras. It's pretty easy for everyone to sit and criticize the big, bad police when none of us are there to see it. Those two journalists didn't get what they deserved. They got exactly what they wanted.
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again -- video has taken all the fun out of policing.

Seriously, you couldn't pay me enough to be on the job these days. It was bad enough when I left 20 years ago. I'm also glad that my two sons and my nephews and nieces didn't follow their fathers, aunts, uncles and grandfathers in their chosen careers.
 
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Priceless said:
Obama will make a statement at 12:15 today.
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12:15-ish :mad:

Meanwhile, it's not easy being a local cop in PA

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Ferguson Township Police is in PA and not the agency involved in the shooting incident. <a href="https://twitter.com/stlcountypd">@stlcountypd</a> is who you want to contact.</p>— Ferguson Township PD (@FergusonTwpPD) <a href="https://twitter.com/FergusonTwpPD/statuses/499729611149033472">August 14, 2014</a></blockquote>
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dxmnkd316 said:
You know, I don't get the big deal on whether the cops have body armor and scary looking guns and Kevlar helmets. Seriously.
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It's a big deal because the more the police are equipped as an army the more they act like one.

The only purpose for a police force is to serve and protect the community. That is not what this has become.
 
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cF[Authentic] said:
When I was a reporter a handful of years ago, I was able to be inside a SWAT training house as they entered and cleared the rooms. Even knowing it was an exercise, it still was jarring with so much going on at once throughout the house. I interviewed the commanding officer after the training session and he explained that while there is a plan in place, a lot of times that plan can, and does, go out the window when the officers are confronted with a variety of obstacles. He said even some of his best, most trained officers can still make a mistake, especially in a high-stress situation where you literally may have milliseconds to make a decision and act.
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There is a book published in 1977 called Signal Zero that is as relevant today as it was when it was released.

One review:

If you really want to understand police work, read this book. The author was a liberal criminal justice professor who thought police were brutal, ignorant thugs. Then one of his students, a police officer, challenged him to actually work as a police officer. Dr. Kirkham took up the challenge, and then found himself turning into the very things he always criticized police officers for being. A fascinating journey into the psychology of law enforcement--and an excellent read for those who hate/criticize police.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p>At 7PM EST / 6PM CST / 4PM PST, there'll be national moment of silence. Check out <a href="https://t.co/NPBcPzILW8">https://t.co/NPBcPzILW8</a> for locations in ur city! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NMOS14?src=hash">#NMOS14</a></p>— Michael Skolnik (@MichaelSkolnik) <a href="https://twitter.com/MichaelSkolnik/statuses/499987153481240576">August 14, 2014</a></blockquote>
 
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unofan said:
The police don't get the time of day because they're saying jack shiat. They're circling the wagons at this point. While I understand them not wanting to release the officer's name for safety reasons, that never stops them from releasing the names of people arrested for heinous crimes that cause them to get death threats. The cop will at least have 24 hour protection from his brethren, which is more than most people get.

The county/city attorney is being an idiot from a pr perspective. Yeah he's worried about the inevitable civil suit from the family and maybe even potential criminal charges against the officer, but holding the blue line on this case is a recipe for disaster. The longer the silence lasts, the worse it looks.
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The question that I ask myself is this. What is accomplished by releasing his name? There is an argument you could put him in danger. I agree he will certainly be under protection. So maybe the danger is lessened, but it's still there.

But now what? So they say the guy's name is "Joe Smith." Are all these protesters just going to say, "Oh, Joe Smith, yeah I know that guy."

Everyone here knows exactly what happens. The protesters descend on his house. The news media descends on his house. The cops descend on his house. Doesn't seem like a great recipe to me.

For what purpose? Just because "we have a right to know?"

We're going to find out. The name won't be kept secret forever. But what we will see is the news media and professional protestors and everyone else will move on. On to the next outrage. The name gets released. A couple of tv cameras catch the officer and his family driving away in the family car. That's it.
 
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SJHovey said:
The question that I ask myself is this. What is accomplished by releasing his name? There is an argument you could put him in danger. I agree he will certainly be under protection. So maybe the danger is lessened, but it's still there.
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I'm not sure anything gets accomplished but the thing that gets me here is why does this person deserve special treatment? Just because he is a cop? Any other average citizen doesn't get afforded that luxury. Mike Brown is getting tried in the court of public opinion and he's dead. But oh, heaven forbid the public knows who shot him because he wears a badge. It's either every name is released or no names are released. Otherwise we get favortism and it fuels the fire.
 
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MattS said:
I'm not sure anything gets accomplished but the thing that gets me here is why does this person deserve special treatment? Just because he is a cop? Any other average citizen doesn't get afforded that luxury. Mike Brown is getting tried in the court of public opinion and he's dead. But oh, heaven forbid the public knows who shot him because he wears a badge. It's either every name is released or no names are released. Otherwise we get favortism and it fuels the fire.
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This.
 
SJHovey said:
The question that I ask myself is this. What is accomplished by releasing his name? There is an argument you could put him in danger. I agree he will certainly be under protection. So maybe the danger is lessened, but it's still there.

But now what? So they say the guy's name is "Joe Smith." Are all these protesters just going to say, "Oh, Joe Smith, yeah I know that guy."

Everyone here knows exactly what happens. The protesters descend on his house. The news media descends on his house. The cops descend on his house. Doesn't seem like a great recipe to me.

For what purpose? Just because "we have a right to know?"
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When those in power start hiding information from the public where does it end? People don't have the right to the information about (enter your favorite political scandal here) because people will get mad and the media will descend on (person's) house. I'm sure it'll be much better if the powers that be keep all information hush hush. They're sure to make sure justice is done.
 
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MattS said:
I'm not sure anything gets accomplished but the thing that gets me here is why does this person deserve special treatment? Just because he is a cop? Any other average citizen doesn't get afforded that luxury. Mike Brown is getting tried in the court of public opinion and he's dead. But oh, heaven forbid the public knows who shot him because he wears a badge. It's either every name is released or no names are released. Otherwise we get favortism and it fuels the fire.
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I'm sorry that young Mr. Brown is dead - but do you honestly believe that cops start their shift hoping or even thinking of shooting someone, whether they be white, black or green?

Meanwhile, the unnamed officer has already been tried, convicted and sentenced to death by the court of public opinion. So spare me the double standard.

And ponder this -- has there been any report of the color of the unnamed officer? None that I have seen or can find. What will be the reaction if it turns out that he's one of the department's black officers?
 
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Priceless said:
When those in power start hiding information from the public where does it end? People don't have the right to the information about (enter your favorite political scandal here) because people will get mad and the media will descend on (person's) house. I'm sure it'll be much better if the powers that be keep all information hush hush. They're sure to make sure justice is done.
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I suppose one can safely assume that you were not thinking about missing IRS emails when you wrote this....:rolleyes:
 
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SteveP said:
I'm sorry that young Mr. Brown is dead - but do you honestly believe that cops start their shift hoping or even thinking of shooting someone, whether they be white, black or green?

Meanwhile, the unnamed officer has already been tried, convicted and sentenced to death by the court of public opinion. So spare me the double standard.

And ponder this -- has there been any report of the color of the unnamed officer? None that I have seen or can find. What will be the reaction if it turns out that he's one of the department's black officers?
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The dead kid has been tried, convicted and sentenced to death as well. So, I won't spare you the double standard. We know the kids name.
 
SJHovey said:
The question that I ask myself is this. What is accomplished by releasing his name? There is an argument you could put him in danger. I agree he will certainly be under protection. So maybe the danger is lessened, but it's still there.
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For me its a fairness thing. Police have no problems releasing the names of suspected kiddie diddlers or other suspects in heinous crimes who will clearly receive death threats from the community. Yet they go out of their way to hide the name of one of their own for safety concerns.

It's also a symptom of the bigger picture that they've told us jack shiat and it reeks of a cover up. The longer this goes with them giving a generic story with no confirmable details based solely on the word of an as yet unnamed officer, the less believable it becomes.

As I said, the attorney in charge has done an absolutely **** poor job from a public relations standpoint.
 
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