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Nice Planet © 2009

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I don't need to make jokes around here when you're making a total joke of yourself.
I'm rubber and you're glue, whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you!

BOING FWIP!
 
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As much as I respect the man for past service, I don't respect his disrespect for the rules. He knew what the rules were, petitioned for an exception and was not granted the exception. He decided he was above the rules and began to violate them.

No one should be above the law, not even a hero who fought for and risked his life to protect those laws.

If you enter a contractual agreement, you don't break it. If he wanted to have a flag pole he should have asked for that to be in his lease to begin with.

DISCLAIMER: What I'm about to say about Homeowners Associations only reflects what I've experienced NOT what is across the board. I'm postive there are Associations that are high quality and don't match what I've stated below.

First off, here in Omaha, the homeowners associations can be very.... ahm... two faced. They care about the rules only when someone next to them breaks them. The board members only care about the rules so they can feel powerful and lord over the other people so they can feel important. The best way to accomplish this is to install an "Aesthetics clause" into the community property clause. This doesn't necessarily mean that everything has to look good on the community property. It means that the board has the right to determine what is aesthetically pleasing and what isn't. Again, power.

Here's an example: My friend in Omaha lives in a neighborhood with a homeowners association that decided to erect a couple of weeping blue spruces (whatever they are) at the entrance to the community to the tune of a couple of grand. For those of you who have never seen them, they look like a sick or dying Blue Spruce. When my friend went to the meeting to ask if there is something they could do to help the sick trees (I'm not kidding. I looked at the trees and they look horrible) they were met with, at the most positive aspect, defensive hostility.

This leads to this vet. According to the Fox story, he DID ask the homeowner's association if he could raise his flagpole. They waffled for a while so he simply erected it anyways. This cause the homeowners association board to react negatively. Again, POWER. The vet didn't bow down enough and kiss enough backside to warrant approval. He didn't wait the required 6 months - 6 years for such a decision to be made with finality. Hence, the conflict.

You can tell I'm right by reading the article where it says that the non-neighboring members of the community supported the vet. It makes no difference to anyone except those who neighbor the "offender" that the flagpole is there. They want power to lord over someone else. They found it by pushing around a 90 year old MoH winner.

They rock.

The vet is at fault because he didn't wait long enough and kiss enough backside. He also didn't research well enough into the neighborhood. He found a condo he liked and he bought it. Homeowning isn't that simple anymore. The property he bought doesn't include the lawn in front of his unit. I think many condos are like that. If you want true control, you should find it. And that is where he's at fault.

There is no way the Homeowner's Association is going to look good coming out of this. They can't cave or their contract looks foolish and they give up Power (which is why the board members ran for office in the first place). They can't uphold the contract because they will be run through the wringer in a PR slaughterhouse.

The best thing they could have done was simply heard the old man out and simply allowed a compromise. Find a spot where he can put up the flagpole and do his duty in peace. Maybe in front of the clubhouse. But, alas, they decided against that apparently.
 
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DISCLAIMER: What I'm about to say about Homeowners Associations only reflects what I've experienced NOT what is across the board. I'm postive there are Associations that are high quality and don't match what I've stated below.

First off, here in Omaha, the homeowners associations can be very.... ahm... two faced. They care about the rules only when someone next to them breaks them. The board members only care about the rules so they can feel powerful and lord over the other people so they can feel important. The best way to accomplish this is to install an "Aesthetics clause" into the community property clause. This doesn't necessarily mean that everything has to look good on the community property. It means that the board has the right to determine what is aesthetically pleasing and what isn't. Again, power.

Here's an example: My friend in Omaha lives in a neighborhood with a homeowners association that decided to erect a couple of weeping blue spruces (whatever they are) at the entrance to the community to the tune of a couple of grand. For those of you who have never seen them, they look like a sick or dying Blue Spruce. When my friend went to the meeting to ask if there is something they could do to help the sick trees (I'm not kidding. I looked at the trees and they look horrible) they were met with, at the most positive aspect, defensive hostility.

This leads to this vet. According to the Fox story, he DID ask the homeowner's association if he could raise his flagpole. They waffled for a while so he simply erected it anyways. This cause the homeowners association board to react negatively. Again, POWER. The vet didn't bow down enough and kiss enough backside to warrant approval. He didn't wait the required 6 months - 6 years for such a decision to be made with finality. Hence, the conflict.

You can tell I'm right by reading the article where it says that the non-neighboring members of the community supported the vet. It makes no difference to anyone except those who neighbor the "offender" that the flagpole is there. They want power to lord over someone else. They found it by pushing around a 90 year old MoH winner.

They rock.

The vet is at fault because he didn't wait long enough and kiss enough backside. He also didn't research well enough into the neighborhood. He found a condo he liked and he bought it. Homeowning isn't that simple anymore. The property he bought doesn't include the lawn in front of his unit. I think many condos are like that. If you want true control, you should find it. And that is where he's at fault.

There is no way the Homeowner's Association is going to look good coming out of this. They can't cave or their contract looks foolish and they give up Power (which is why the board members ran for office in the first place). They can't uphold the contract because they will be run through the wringer in a PR slaughterhouse.

The best thing they could have done was simply heard the old man out and simply allowed a compromise. Find a spot where he can put up the flagpole and do his duty in peace. Maybe in front of the clubhouse. But, alas, they decided against that apparently.

I made a similar suggestion a while back. Legal or not, these folks are going to lose a PR battle with the Colonel big time. They'll look small, petty and vindictive. And that's just for openers. Like you, I don't know anything about the specifics of that association, but if some of the Colonel's neighbors think he's being given a rough time, then they may have some legal recourse to bounce these bullies out. You can't have people putting up permanent structures on common property, but there certainly ought to be a way to make some small accomodation for this man (after all, it's not like he's going to be aroud forever).

Most of us have met or dealt with people who have the "little Hitler syndrome," frequently accompanied by a clip board. Barney Fife wanna be's.

It's not like working some arrangement with the Colonel is going to establish some sort of onerous precedent: well, yes, the NEXT time we have a 90-year old retired colonel who fought in three wars and has the MOH, we'll have to cave in to him, too! :D
 
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,579551,00.html

I sure it's just a coincidence that a never heard of before "consumer group" from San Francisco (yes, San Francisco, where they're having a debate about pubic fornication tents) has decided that this year's hottest Christmas toy is "unsafe." Yup, I'm confident.
 
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,579551,00.html

I sure it's just a coincidence that a never heard of before "consumer group" from San Francisco (yes, San Francisco, where they're having a debate about pubic fornication tents) has decided that this year's hottest Christmas toy is "unsafe." Yup, I'm confident.

http://www.goodguide.com/about

Seem legit to me. If you're not going to trust them for their location I guess you can't trust Google or Yahoo. No search engines for you!
 
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http://www.goodguide.com/about

Seem legit to me. If you're not going to trust them for their location I guess you can't trust Google or Yahoo. No search engines for you!

Perhaps they are. Had you ever heard of 'em? I hadn't. And anybody can put up a website. I mean there's a whole list of outfits, some of which exist only to scare us about the food we eat, see Center for Science in the Public Interest. Consumer Product Safety Commission. Consumer Reports, etc. etc.
And most of us around here are reasonably well informed. And I just wanted to throw that bit in about fornication tents, it's been seriously suggested, evidently.

Anyway, won't make a bit of difference, this thing is en fuego this year and no self appointed bunch of nannies is going to change that.
 
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http://www.goodguide.com/about

Seem legit to me. If you're not going to trust them for their location I guess you can't trust Google or Yahoo. No search engines for you!

In defense of someone who probably doesn't need it...

I can't remember the last time Google or Yahoo went out of their way to shoot down anything popular coming down the pike.

Consumer Groups, for the sake of safety, immediately take the stance of the too good to be true. Why? Because activists look positively moronic if they look for the good in things and rally around it.

I'd like to see how antimony in the levels described in the article affect people. Is it causing problem when antimony over 60 parts per million is airborne? harmful by contact? Harmful if ingested?

I suppose I could Google the answer but.... I'm too lazy and I'm not sure I care enough.

So many studies have shown that this or the other thing is harmful only to turn out that it is only harmful if rather extreme conditions are met.

Fear mongering doesn't work on me.
 
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In defense of someone who probably doesn't need it...

I can't remember the last time Google or Yahoo went out of their way to shoot down anything popular coming down the pike.

Consumer Groups, for the sake of safety, immediately take the stance of the too good to be true. Why? Because activists look positively moronic if they look for the good in things and rally around it.

I'd like to see how antimony in the levels described in the article affect people. Is it causing problem when antimony over 60 parts per million is airborne? harmful by contact? Harmful if ingested?

I suppose I could Google the answer but.... I'm too lazy and I'm not sure I care enough.

So many studies have shown that this or the other thing is harmful only to turn out that it is only harmful if rather extreme conditions are met.

Fear mongering doesn't work on me.

The Center for "Science" in the Public Interest specializes in peddling fear. Their periodic "studies" of popular foods (fettucine alfredo is "heart attack on a plate") are predicated on consuming enormous, daily portions of whatever it is they don't like. And it adds to this silly notion that there's "good" food and "bad" food. There's just food. And some food brings a more desireable nutritional profile to the table and some less. It's up to us to make good choices. Ice cream or french fries in moderation isn't "bad."

Who asked 'em anyway?
 
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34318829/ns/health-kids_and_parenting/

Oops! Lefty, self-appointed San Francisco based "consumer" group now admits it "screwed the pooch," with its hysterical press release on the purported "danger" of the hot selling little furballs. We had a little methodological problem. Nevermind.
But, hey, we got national headlines out of the deal, which is what we were after.

Did these nannies act with reckless disregard of the truth? Is there a lawsuit here? I surely hope so.
 
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What, you mean that dam contract breaker? :mad: Where is TBA to express his outrage that this scofflaw is getting away with this?










:p

I'd imagine any local chapter of the ACLU might want to look into this miscarriage of justice. Failing that, just call their toll free number:
1.800.LEFWING.
 
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