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Yeah, I saw this one and was angered too. You look at Col. Barfoot's record, the Medal of Honor and service in three wars and you're humbled. Notice, too, he was a mustang, started out enlisted. And all he wants to do is display the American flag.

Remember the other residents of that community (some of whom have undoubedtly served) have rights too. And some of these communities and their "rules" bring out the worst in people. But some of the residents probably bought into the community in some measure because of those rules. The Colonel wants to display the flag on a 21 foot pole and the community's rules say he can't. Surely there can be some sort of compromise here. It's a PR disaster that they're threatening a 90-year old hero with "legal action." Who thought that would be a good idea? On the other hand, the Colonel is being stubborn, didn't he know or check into the rules before he put up his pole? Evidently he didn't care one way or another.

It's not directly analogous, but remember earlier this year the Marine dad who said he would continue to display his flag until his son came home from Iraq because he'd made the boy a promise? The reason why this became a story is that the flag was in shreds, not tatters, shreds and flag etiquette prohibits displaying a flag in that condition. And flag etiquette doesn't allow for personal exemptions for "good" reasons. Ultimately dad took it down because the boy came home. But he should have taken it down long before that. If he wanted to put up a tattered "yellow ribbon" or some other commemoration of his promise, fine. But he shouldn't have treated the flag that way, and Colonel Barfoot would doubtless agree.

My solution? Move the old man's flag pole to the center of the property, designate it as the "official" flag pole, put a plaque on it honoring the Colonel's service and let the Colonel raise and lower the flag every day.
 
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My solution? Move the old man's flag pole to the center of the property, designate it as the "official" flag pole, put a plaque on it honoring the Colonel's service and let the Colonel raise and lower the flag every day.

Probably the best option.

I wonder what the backstory is - even us godless Commie liberal pinko homo Islamofascists ;) have nothing against a US flag being flown properly. There has to be some other reason that the homeowners' association won't make an exception for the Colonel, whether it's their shortsighted insistence on the rules, Col. Barfoot's treatment of the community, or something else.
 
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Probably the best option.

I wonder what the backstory is - even us godless Commie liberal pinko homo Islamofascists ;) have nothing against a US flag being flown properly. There has to be some other reason that the homeowners' association won't make an exception for the Colonel, whether it's their shortsighted insistence on the rules, Col. Barfoot's treatment of the community, or something else.

There may be something going on there all right. There's a group of people I refer to collectively as the "I've gotta right" crowd. Excluding the Colonel for a moment, they're the people whose only defense for their bad behavior is "I gotta right." In Phoenix there used to be a guy whose Christmas lights attracted thousands of people, night after night, bumper to bumper, driving slowly by his house. As God is my witness, he even offered valet parking. :eek: Now, think about the folks on his block, essentially trapped in their homes several hours a night, night after night, until after the first of the year. Factor in noise, litter (beer bottles, condoms, etc) and air pollution, and this guy's neighbors must really look forward to Christmas. BUT HE HAD A RIGHT!
 
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Barfoot had sought permission to install the pole shortly after he moved into the community — a complex of townhouses where the grounds are community property — last June. The board denied his request in July.
So he installed a permanent structure on community land when he was told not to. Why is this news when they order him to take it down? Who cares what his service record is? No doubt he had to sign a lease which had the stipulation that he would abide by the guidelines.
 
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,579336,00.html

On a related topic: a long overdue crackdown on bottom feeders who claim valor medals they didn't win. Most of us aren't familiar enough to recognize these guys, but some of us are.

We're involved in two wars and most of us want to show our service personnel the respect they deserve and that's what these clowns count on.

This kind of stuff is as old as the hills. During the "winter soldier" hearings before congress, some of the guys who told the most horrible tales about Vietnam weren't ever IN Vietnam and some of 'em weren't even in the service at all.

Ten years ago or more, it turned out that the publisher of the Arizona Republic in Phoenix had created for himself a totally phoney identity as an Air Force fighter pilot. Not only was he not a flyboy, he wasn't ever in the AF.

Anyone who's ever served can tell you the story of the guy who stops by the BX to "augment" his ribbons and decorations on the way home on leave. Most of this is harmless stuff, designed to cage a free beer at the local pub.

But when somebody claims combat, displays purple hearts and valor ribbons, describes in graphic detail the effects of an IED and on and on, then a line has been crossed. Of course some of 'em go further than that, defrauding the government by trying to take advantage of progrms for veterans.

Some guys who've done really heroic things don't to talk about it and certainly don't want to advertise it. A few years ago my brother and I were driving and spotted a license plate we'd never seen. Baby blue, with stars, and a small number box with 001 in it. Turns out it was a Medal of Honor plate. My brother said he wouldn't have it. I thought about free drinks, meals and better parking spaces and said heck yes, I'd put one of those puppies on my car (if I'd earned it, of course).
 
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So he installed a permanent structure on community land when he was told not to. Why is this news when they order him to take it down? Who cares what his service record is? No doubt he had to sign a lease which had the stipulation that he would abide by the guidelines.

The answer to your question is: YOU should care about his military record.
While you're right that it has no bearing on the legalities here, his record demands respect,yours included, period.
 
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you're right that it has no bearing on the legalities here
That's all that matters. (period) He agreed to the rules before he moved in, he violated them even after being directly told he couldn't, what else is there? Past military commendations do not excuse current actions, nor should he be allowed to do as he pleases because of it.

And for me, anyone who "demands respect", probably isn't worth of it.
 
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That's all that matters. (period) He agreed to the rules before he moved in, he violated them even after being directly told he couldn't, what else is there? Past military commendations do not excuse current actions, nor should he be allowed to do as he pleases because of it.

And for me, anyone who "demands respect", probably isn't worth of it.

I'm going to assume here that you're just showing off for the peanut gallery. Nobody can be that ignorant. But in your rush to prove me wrong, you evidently misread my post. I said the Colonel's record commands your respect. He is silent on the subject. And if you can't find room to respect what this man has accomplished, it tells us far more about you than him.
 
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I'm going to assume here that you're just showing off for the peanut gallery. Nobody can be that ignorant.
If I wanted to show off, I would have said something to the effect that this senile old geezer should be put in one of those homes where they keep an alarm on the door to stop the residents from getting out and wandering into the street, since he's clearly so out of it that he can't follow basic instructions, like "don't do that" or even just "no."
 
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If I wanted to show off, I would have said something to the effect that this senile old geezer should be put in one of those homes where they keep an alarm on the door to stop the residents from getting out and wandering into the street, since he's clearly so out of it that he can't follow basic instructions, like "don't do that" or even just "no."

I was wrong.
 
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If I wanted to show off, I would have said something to the effect that this senile old geezer should be put in one of those homes where they keep an alarm on the door to stop the residents from getting out and wandering into the street, since he's clearly so out of it that he can't follow basic instructions, like "don't do that" or even just "no."

Wow. Your complete lack of class and appreciation for our veterans is astounding. Absolutely astounding.

To be this senseless, your life must be so full of fail. I almost feel bad for you.
 
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I'm going to assume here that you're just showing off for the peanut gallery.

If I wanted to show off, I would have said something to the effect.....

Wow. Your complete lack of class and appreciation for our veterans is astounding. Absolutely astounding.

To be this senseless, your life must be so full of fail. I almost feel bad for you.
Reading, it's fundamental.
 
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The answer to your question is: YOU should care about his military record.
While you're right that it has no bearing on the legalities here, his record demands respect,yours included, period.

As much as I respect the man for past service, I don't respect his disrespect for the rules. He knew what the rules were, petitioned for an exception and was not granted the exception. He decided he was above the rules and began to violate them.

No one should be above the law, not even a hero who fought for and risked his life to protect those laws.

If you enter a contractual agreement, you don't break it. If he wanted to have a flag pole he should have asked for that to be in his lease to begin with.
 
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The old guy is a decorated vet that you continue to disparage for no reason.
Other than his inability to follow his lease/decisions from the board who runs the complex. Which is what I repeated twice I believe, before Old Pio decided I wasn't being respectful enough, I think because I wasn't adding in his military service to any consideration, to which I created an over the top post, that you took seriously because you didn't really read the posts before it.
 
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Other than his inability to follow his lease/decisions from the board who runs the complex. Which is what I repeated twice I believe, before Old Pio decided I wasn't being respectful enough, I think because I wasn't adding in his military service to any consideration, to which I created an over the top post, that you took seriously because you didn't really read the posts before it.

I haven't taken anything you say seriously in a long time.
 
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