Re: Nice planet 4: Take 2. Action!
Now hold on a minute....how do we not it's not cops shooting up Chicago?
Now hold on a minute....how do we not it's not cops shooting up Chicago?
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Re: Nice planet 4: Take 2. Action!
Boobus Americanus Blackus
Now hold on a minute....how do we not it's not cops shooting up Chicago?
Boobus Americanus Blackus
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Patman
Rodent of Unusual Size
Or extracted from a citizenry incapable of paying for it or keeping it in strong check.
There's reasons the idea of limit govt is solid. Because instead of those who feed of the largess of the king we have those who are working of the largess of similarly ensconced quasi-kings or a king-caste as it were.
As always, the public is left ignorant by those who compelled their trust.
Patman
Rodent of Unusual Size
He was working Zimmerman into at least a concussion, could have broken his neck easily, skull fracture. If not dead Zimmerman could be a vegetable... But at least then our fragile and simplistic notions of race, racism, and culpability would be held in check
Patman
Rodent of Unusual Size
Just as that dastardly gun caused racism it also causes racial intra-class oppression. Really, its the gun's fault that our society has these horrible interpersonal issues
Slap Shot
I got nothing
Re: Nice planet 4: Take 2. Action!
He was responding as a punkass vigilante that invested far too much time into a kid doing absolutely nothing wrong. Nothing. He didn't know Martin's supposed thug history and took it upon himself to jump into a situation for which he was ill-equipped to handle. He also has a very questionable history of violence and ill-temperament. For all we know Martin was the aggressor at the very end and Zimmerman did in fact "defend" himself, but it never would have happened were he not a dumbfukk of epic proportions.
He was responding as a punkass vigilante that invested far too much time into a kid doing absolutely nothing wrong. Nothing. He didn't know Martin's supposed thug history and took it upon himself to jump into a situation for which he was ill-equipped to handle. He also has a very questionable history of violence and ill-temperament. For all we know Martin was the aggressor at the very end and Zimmerman did in fact "defend" himself, but it never would have happened were he not a dumbfukk of epic proportions.
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Gurtholfin
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Re: Nice planet 4: Take 2. Action!
Most likely, Zimmerman wouldn't have followed TM if he wasn't packing, therefore the head slamming would never have happened. Try to keep up.
He was working Zimmerman into at least a concussion, could have broken his neck easily, skull fracture. If not dead Zimmerman could be a vegetable... But at least then our fragile and simplistic notions of race, racism, and culpability would be held in check
Most likely, Zimmerman wouldn't have followed TM if he wasn't packing, therefore the head slamming would never have happened. Try to keep up.
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Gurtholfin
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Re: Nice planet 4: Take 2. Action!
Regardless, many of those employees received promises in return for work that they performed that now may not be able to be kept. It's not the pensioner's fault that he took the word of the city and assumed that his/her retirement would be taken care of in return for years of service and less take home pay.
I don't think that a little empathy is a bad thing for these people that will now be screwed over due to no fault of their own.
Regardless, many of those employees received promises in return for work that they performed that now may not be able to be kept. It's not the pensioner's fault that he took the word of the city and assumed that his/her retirement would be taken care of in return for years of service and less take home pay.
I don't think that a little empathy is a bad thing for these people that will now be screwed over due to no fault of their own.
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Gurtholfin
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Re: Nice planet 4: Take 2. Action!
Given the recent history in that complex, Zimmerman was quite right to want to know the name, rank and muzzle velocity of a kid he'd never seen before wandering around. Zimmerman, IMO, was acting a little too Barney Fife for my taste. And I've said numerous times, in Old Pio world community watch guys don't carry guns. But he was a resident, had a permit for the gun and was the community watch captain. Martin profiled him as much as he profiled Martin. "Creepy *** cracker," "He may be a rapist," etc. Each of these two had an opportunity to avoid the confrontation. Martin could have just gone on home. Assaulting someone is generally not a good strategy. Sometimes you get your a*s shot.
Given the recent history in that complex, Zimmerman was quite right to want to know the name, rank and muzzle velocity of a kid he'd never seen before wandering around. Zimmerman, IMO, was acting a little too Barney Fife for my taste. And I've said numerous times, in Old Pio world community watch guys don't carry guns. But he was a resident, had a permit for the gun and was the community watch captain. Martin profiled him as much as he profiled Martin. "Creepy *** cracker," "He may be a rapist," etc. Each of these two had an opportunity to avoid the confrontation. Martin could have just gone on home. Assaulting someone is generally not a good strategy. Sometimes you get your a*s shot.
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FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: Nice planet 4: Take 2. Action!
I feel bad for them, but they've been f*ed for 30 years. Reality is reality. Even Ford, GM, and Fiat/"Chrysler" don't offer pensions anymore, and haven't for years.
I feel bad for them, but they've been f*ed for 30 years. Reality is reality. Even Ford, GM, and Fiat/"Chrysler" don't offer pensions anymore, and haven't for years.
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Priceless
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Re: Nice planet 4: Take 2. Action!
It's one thing to not be offered something like a pension. It's quite another to be offered a pension in exchange for work you performed in exchange for lower take home pay and then to have that taken away.
It's one thing to not be offered something like a pension. It's quite another to be offered a pension in exchange for work you performed in exchange for lower take home pay and then to have that taken away.
Patman
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Re: Nice planet 4: Take 2. Action!
I'm sorry, what you just said is not in evidence. Period. Not in evidence. The evidence states that he followed him from a distance.
Oh, by the way, are you excusing Mr. Martin's attempts to seriously harm Mr. Zimmerman? You seem to be OK with turning him into a vegetable or worse for committing a social faux pas or acting outside of bounds you consider legitimate. Just because you think he falls into a class of people that deserves to be punished for him being himself we are a nation that doesn't consider that... as you so clearly pointed out. Whether or not, Mr. Martin was about to turn his skittles into his preferred drug cocktail.... aka purple drank, aka lean... etc.
I'm sorry, what you just said is not in evidence. Period. Not in evidence. The evidence states that he followed him from a distance.
Oh, by the way, are you excusing Mr. Martin's attempts to seriously harm Mr. Zimmerman? You seem to be OK with turning him into a vegetable or worse for committing a social faux pas or acting outside of bounds you consider legitimate. Just because you think he falls into a class of people that deserves to be punished for him being himself we are a nation that doesn't consider that... as you so clearly pointed out. Whether or not, Mr. Martin was about to turn his skittles into his preferred drug cocktail.... aka purple drank, aka lean... etc.
Patman
Rodent of Unusual Size
Re: Nice planet 4: Take 2. Action!
Empathy is one thing. Reality is another. Further, the state does not owe one empathy. What of the people who have to incur hardship to provide for those who were granted benefits way beyond a rational ability to pay? The state isn't a charity nor is it an entity. The taxpayers aren't some monolithic group who are able to take on losses to provide exhoribitant benefits to others.
Empathy is one thing. Reality is another. Further, the state does not owe one empathy. What of the people who have to incur hardship to provide for those who were granted benefits way beyond a rational ability to pay? The state isn't a charity nor is it an entity. The taxpayers aren't some monolithic group who are able to take on losses to provide exhoribitant benefits to others.
ScoobyDoo
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Re: Nice planet 4: Take 2. Action!
Awesome isn't it? Got screwed on pay all those years and now lose their pensions. What a country.
Awesome isn't it? Got screwed on pay all those years and now lose their pensions. What a country.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Nice planet 4: Take 2. Action!
Yep. Vigilante justice for the win. The new Florida.
Yep. Vigilante justice for the win. The new Florida.
Patman
Rodent of Unusual Size
Re: Nice planet 4: Take 2. Action!
He wasn't following TM more than a tiny bit. The rest of the time was spent finding the cross streets and going back to his car... in those situations he was posing no threat to Mr. Martin... but apparently this was more than Mr. Martin's outsized ego could handle. The fact is Mr. Zimmerman's confidence was increased is irrelevant unless you think guns should be banned. Further, it would appear that Mr. Martin's outmoded gunless ego topped Mr. Zimmerman's ego with a gun.
Again, just because Mr. Zimmerman committed what you feel is a social faux pas (probably because he isn't black and probably because he's the white shade of hispanic) doesn't mean he's culpable. We can get to your false social caste based expectations later. (And I say social caste to avoid a different word altogether.)
He wasn't following TM more than a tiny bit. The rest of the time was spent finding the cross streets and going back to his car... in those situations he was posing no threat to Mr. Martin... but apparently this was more than Mr. Martin's outsized ego could handle. The fact is Mr. Zimmerman's confidence was increased is irrelevant unless you think guns should be banned. Further, it would appear that Mr. Martin's outmoded gunless ego topped Mr. Zimmerman's ego with a gun.
Again, just because Mr. Zimmerman committed what you feel is a social faux pas (probably because he isn't black and probably because he's the white shade of hispanic) doesn't mean he's culpable. We can get to your false social caste based expectations later. (And I say social caste to avoid a different word altogether.)
Patman
Rodent of Unusual Size
Re: Nice planet 4: Take 2. Action!
Is that what happened? Or is that what you want to believe happened?
edit #2: Just for Scooby, which state can you pursue your attacker if you feel threatened? Hint, its a blue state.
edit: the whole ridiculous thing about this... it seems that once Mr. Martin jumped Mr. Zimmerman, it would seem to imply to those here that Mr. Zimmerman was at least culpable of assault and that in a prone position he went for his best option to ensure his own safety this means he's a criminal. Mr. Zimmerman had committed no crime, even you would argue, up to the point Mr. Martin attacked him.
I'd like to remind you (all) that life is made up of decisions that you are unsure of and decisions that you make to protect yourselves and that life is not a game to be scored by six to twelve of your peers. George Zimmerman had not committed a single crime, even in your eyes, until he pulled the trigger on his gun. Everything else afterwards is an idealistic and racially tainted fantasy land idea of what should have happened and who should have done what... scoring on social acceptability versus the facts. OK, we get it, you're not having Mr. Zimmerman at your next cookout. He probably won't be leading the Anytown USA parade. Just because you want him excised from your community doesn't mean that he is guilty of the various ranges of crimes from manslaughter up to murder.
Is that what happened? Or is that what you want to believe happened?
edit #2: Just for Scooby, which state can you pursue your attacker if you feel threatened? Hint, its a blue state.
edit: the whole ridiculous thing about this... it seems that once Mr. Martin jumped Mr. Zimmerman, it would seem to imply to those here that Mr. Zimmerman was at least culpable of assault and that in a prone position he went for his best option to ensure his own safety this means he's a criminal. Mr. Zimmerman had committed no crime, even you would argue, up to the point Mr. Martin attacked him.
I'd like to remind you (all) that life is made up of decisions that you are unsure of and decisions that you make to protect yourselves and that life is not a game to be scored by six to twelve of your peers. George Zimmerman had not committed a single crime, even in your eyes, until he pulled the trigger on his gun. Everything else afterwards is an idealistic and racially tainted fantasy land idea of what should have happened and who should have done what... scoring on social acceptability versus the facts. OK, we get it, you're not having Mr. Zimmerman at your next cookout. He probably won't be leading the Anytown USA parade. Just because you want him excised from your community doesn't mean that he is guilty of the various ranges of crimes from manslaughter up to murder.
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Gurtholfin
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Re: Nice planet 4: Take 2. Action!
A social faux paus?
Are you off your meds today?
You talk about assumptions that many of us are making all the while placing your assumptions of where we're coming from on us. P-iss off.
A social faux paus?
Are you off your meds today?
You talk about assumptions that many of us are making all the while placing your assumptions of where we're coming from on us. P-iss off.
Patman
Rodent of Unusual Size
Re: Nice planet 4: Take 2. Action!
Yes, the faux pas of "following" Mr. Martin. Again, at what point and for what reason did you think this became murder? You think he spent that whole time stalking Mr. Martin? He was way done any "stalking" by the time the confrontation started. So that was no longer a situation except in the mind of the fragile ego of Mr. Martin.
As for where you're coming from, I think I'm pretty accurate in this. Could be wrong, sure. Let's put it this way, I think the reactions would be a lot different if Mr. Zimmerman were considered a dreg of society as opposed to active involvement in it. Its the same way certain people always call out the Israelis rather than the Palestinians.
Yes, the faux pas of "following" Mr. Martin. Again, at what point and for what reason did you think this became murder? You think he spent that whole time stalking Mr. Martin? He was way done any "stalking" by the time the confrontation started. So that was no longer a situation except in the mind of the fragile ego of Mr. Martin.
As for where you're coming from, I think I'm pretty accurate in this. Could be wrong, sure. Let's put it this way, I think the reactions would be a lot different if Mr. Zimmerman were considered a dreg of society as opposed to active involvement in it. Its the same way certain people always call out the Israelis rather than the Palestinians.
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