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Nice planet 4: Take 2. Action!

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Patman said:
Empathy is one thing. Reality is another. Further, the state does not owe one empathy. What of the people who have to incur hardship to provide for those who were granted benefits way beyond a rational ability to pay? The state isn't a charity nor is it an entity. The taxpayers aren't some monolithic group who are able to take on losses to provide exhoribitant benefits to others.
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Exorbitant? It's a pension not a lottery ticket. Do they have Social Security benefits? State/local workers here do not. So what do you expect those retirees to use to live? Maybe if they cut back on "exorbitant" expenses like food and shelter.

Say I contracted you to do a job for 20 years and said I would take care of your retirement in exchange for a lower hourly rate. After you've done the work I tell you I can't give you the pension I promised you. You'd be OK with that?
 
Patman said:
I'm sorry, what you just said is not in evidence. Period. Not in evidence. The evidence states that he followed him from a distance.

Oh, by the way, are you excusing Mr. Martin's attempts to seriously harm Mr. Zimmerman? You seem to be OK with turning him into a vegetable or worse for committing a social faux pas or acting outside of bounds you consider legitimate. Just because you think he falls into a class of people that deserves to be punished for him being himself we are a nation that doesn't consider that... as you so clearly pointed out. Whether or not, Mr. Martin was about to turn his skittles into his preferred drug cocktail.... aka purple drank, aka lean...
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Lolwut? Who's the who's the assumptive one in this exchange?

What supposed deserved punishment did I ascribe to Zimmerman. Read my words - Zimmerman is an idiot and a punk. Nothing more, nothing less.

What the hell is with draggers in this forum responding to words no one has written? But you've got the self-righteous market cornered at least.
 
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I'm just peeved I can't add "Zimmerman" to my Facebook politics blocker because it's my sister's husband's name.
 
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Slap Shot said:
Lolwut? Who's the who's the assumptive one in this exchange?

What supposed deserved punishment did I ascribe to Zimmerman. Read my words - Zimmerman is an idiot and a punk. Nothing more, nothing less.

What the hell is with draggers in this forum responding to words no one has written? But you've got the self-righteous market cornered at least.
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They're just following the guidance of the Race Baiter in Chief.

This sad incident has been appropriated by cheap, opportunistic demagogues, interested only in advancing their "careers." Especially repulsive is the whining about "open season on black boys," given the 1,000 shootings and 200 deaths in the first six months of the year in Chicago. Where is the outrage? Where are the marches? Where is the Congressional Black Caucus? More relevant: where are the cameras?
 
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Patman said:
Yes, the faux pas of "following" Mr. Martin. Again, at what point and for what reason did you think this became murder? You think he spent that whole time stalking Mr. Martin? He was way done any "stalking" by the time the confrontation started. So that was no longer a situation except in the mind of the fragile ego of Mr. Martin.

As for where you're coming from, I think I'm pretty accurate in this. Could be wrong, sure. Let's put it this way, I think the reactions would be a lot different if Mr. Zimmerman were considered a dreg of society as opposed to active involvement in it. Its the same way certain people always call out the Israelis rather than the Palestinians.
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The subtle genius of Zimmerman was calling the cops before he committed his "murder."
 
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Priceless said:
It's one thing to not be offered something like a pension. It's quite another to be offered a pension in exchange for work you performed in exchange for lower take home pay and then to have that taken away.
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Do you have a source that indicates Detroit city workers made a lower average salary than their private sector peers over the course of their careers, specifically in exchange for their pensions?
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Do you have a source that indicates Detroit city workers made a lower average salary than their private sector peers over the course of their careers, specifically in exchange for their pensions?
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Municipal unions (which FDR opposed) support candidates who are more inclined to give in to their demands. In the real world, unions aren't able to have a say in who their bosses are. Thus elected by unions, city officials wind up sitting across the negotiating table with people who have the power to replace them. Rather than spend money up front in salaries, cities resort to "kicking the fiscal can down the road" by agreeing to bloated pension benefits. Some day the piper must be paid. And that day has arrived with a vengeance for Detroit. We heard all of these squalid arguments for public sector unions in Wisconsin.
 
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Old Pio said:
Municipal unions (which FDR opposed) support candidates who are more inclined to give in to their demands. In the real world, unions aren't able to have a say in who their bosses are. Thus elected by unions, city officials wind up sitting across the negotiating table with people who have the power to replace them. Rather than spend money up front in salaries, cities resort to "kicking the fiscal can down the road" by agreeing to bloated pension benefits. Some day the piper must be paid. And that day has arrived with a vengeance for Detroit. We heard all of these squalid arguments for public sector unions in Wisconsin.
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Bloated pension benefits? The average is less than $18,000/year. That's really bloated. What planet do you live on?

Oh, and since someone's going to ask for a source:

"These retirees worked hard and played by the rules," American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees President Lee Saunders said in a statement. "The average general city employee pension is less than $18,000 per year. Attacking these pensions is not only unfair, it is illegal."

Michigan is one of nine states that explicitly protects public employee pensions in its state constitution.
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Old Pio said:
Thugs found time between church and family dinner to shoot at least 5 people in Chicago on Sunday.

For the weekend: 6 dead, 23 wounded (these numbers are always subject to upward revision). And not a single "white Hispanic" racially profiling neighborhood watch dude in sight.
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The thugs are better armed than the watch would be...
 
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Old Pio said:
You can have your union goon. I'm sticking with FDR.
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According to you my junior high history teacher, dear old Mrs Vermette, was a "union goon" so I'm not sure I'm going to trust your judgement.
 
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