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Nice planet 4: Take 2. Action!

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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
I can tell you that when I was in a car accident, an off duty cop came to my car and the first thing he told me (after reassuring me that he had seen the whole thing and that I wasn't at fault in the accident) was not to try to get myself out until the paramedics could clear me of any potential neck injuries, because the adrenaline of an accident can make people think that they're okay before they try to pull themselves out.

Minus either a life-and-death situation or a painfully obvious "everyone is okay" scenario, I'll take that to the bank as being pretty good reasoning to not help pull people out of an upside-down car.
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Yeah, thanks doc. Glad you survived, so you can second guess others who aren't quite as omniscient as you are. Who are simply trying to help. A genuine character flaw. And predictive too: helpful guys like that frequently wind up gunning down young, unarmed black kids wearing hoodies, who just have "skillets and ice tea." Right?
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
The question is directed at you. Perhaps it's just a roundabout way of asking if you viewed Treyvon Martin as a "roving thug", or if your comment on "roving thugs" had nothing to do with his altercation with Martin. That is, in it's own way, I guess, another roundabout question to ask if being young, black, and wearing a hoodie after dusk is an acceptable form of suspicion in your book.

That said: I'll confess that I normally really enjoy your poetic nature when arguing about this kind of thing, but every now and then it really gets in the way of you actually are trying to say. Unless you're trying to imply that you think that Martin wasn't truly just on his way home with Skittles and iced tea, then I have no idea what this "Skillets and Ice Tea bassoon" comment is supposed to be saying. My translator is broken, if you will.
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I'm not Euthypro. And you d*mn sure ain't Socrates. So why not knock that cutesy sh*t off? I haven't the slightest interest in your half-a*s efforts to smoke me out as a racist. Besides, everyone knows, anybody who pushes back against libtard orthodoxy has to be a racist. The reason why there was a community watch at that complex was precisely because roving black thugs had burglarized (and in one instance broken into an occupied condo and terrorized the young resident and her infant--a fact which you and the rest of the "skillets and ice tea" crowd always omit).

In your anger and frustration at the outcome of this showl trial (only Andrey Vychinsky was missing), you keep telling us about TM's rights. Well, Zimmerman had a right to go anywhere he wanted, whenever he wanted in that complex. He was a resident. And he had a right to defend himself from an unwarranted physical attack by a kid who at the moment he attacked him, was at least acting like a roving thug (recall, in one of her many, many interviews after the verdict, that illiterate cow girl friend said she believed Martin struck the first blow. Another point never mentioned by the "Skillets and ice tea" crowd).

Thank you (I think) for the reference to poetry. Whenever I think of poetry, this guy comes to mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQUbDGrPg9U
 
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As I'm a licensed EMT for a volunteer fire department, I think I can comment. Dispatchers normally tell civilians to not go rushing towards an overturned vehicle. They even tell the EMTs not to go in unless the area is safe due to broken glass, gas, fire, etc. That's what the guys in the turnout gear are for. Normally, dispatchers tell anyone that sees an overturned vehicle to call and give a report on the situation. However, I don't blame him for going in. I just advise against it.

Also, this is my take, but I think he really wants to be a hero. He wants people to say "What a guy. He's a real hero." I got into being an EMT because I wanted to help people (and the college credits aren't bad either)
 
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MountieBoyOz said:
As I'm a licensed EMT for a volunteer fire department, I think I can comment. Dispatchers normally tell civilians to not go rushing towards an overturned vehicle. They even tell the EMTs not to go in unless the area is safe due to broken glass, gas, fire, etc. That's what the guys in the turnout gear are for. Normally, dispatchers tell anyone that sees an overturned vehicle to call and give a report on the situation. However, I don't blame him for going in. I just advise against it.

Also, this is my take, but I think he really wants to be a hero. He wants people to say "What a guy. He's a real hero." I got into being an EMT because I wanted to help people (and the college credits aren't bad either)
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You can never be entirely certain what's in anyone's mind. Just as we can never be entirely certain George Zimmerman didn't shoot Trayvon Martin because he was a n-word. The available evidence, in fact, points in the other direction. But, in a court of law, we have a burden of proof. And that burden "guilty beyond a reasonable doubt." As Jean Caserez of CNN said: "they haven't come within a mile of proving 2nd degree murder."

And you may well be right about him wanting to be viewed as a hero. But couldn't that cynical analysis be applied to anyone who does anything that helps others or puts his own life at risk? How do you determine when that line has been crossed. You seem to be saying, "my motives are pure, but his aren't." You could be right. You could also be wrong. Your judgment could be colored by the outcome of his encounter with Martin.

As a kid, when Dr. Pio and family were on the road, he used to explain that if we ever saw an accident, he wouldn't stop. In those days states didn't have "good Samaritan laws " to protect doctors who stopped to give aid from being sued by rapacious bottom feeding lawyers. It wasn't worth the risk.

Oh, and thanks for your service. I'm sure the people you help are grateful.
 
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Old Pio said:
You can never be entirely certain what's in anyone's mind. Just as we can never be entirely certain George Zimmerman didn't shoot Trayvon Martin because he was a n-word. The available evidence, in fact, points in the other direction. But, in a court of law, we have a burden of proof. And that burden "guilty beyond a reasonable doubt." As Jean Caserez of CNN said: "they haven't come within a mile of proving 2nd degree murder."

And you may well be right about him wanting to be viewed as a hero. But couldn't that cynical analysis be applied to anyone who does anything that helps others or puts his own life at risk? How do you determine when that line has been crossed. You seem to be saying, "my motives are pure, but his aren't." You could be right. You could also be wrong. Your judgment could be colored by the outcome of his encounter with Martin.

As a kid, when Dr. Pio and family were on the road, he used to explain that if we ever saw an accident, he wouldn't stop. In those days states didn't have "good Samaritan laws " to protect doctors who stopped to give aid from being sued by rapacious bottom feeding lawyers. It wasn't worth the risk.

Oh, and thanks for your service. I'm sure the people you help are grateful.
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Understood, OP. I also agree with you on the whole good Samaritan laws. One should not be punished for wanting to help someone else.
 
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MountieBoyOz said:
Understood, OP. I also agree with you on the whole good Samaritan laws. One should not be punished for wanting to help someone else.
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On one road trip we were following another family (who had the Triptik) and we did a rolling stop at a light. A motorcycle cop pulled us over and after he realized Dr. Pio was an MD, became very reluctant to write us up. "Are you one your way to a hospital?" "No." And similar questions. A station wagon full of family and gear, with out of state plates. Finally he said he wasn't going to issue a ticket. Dr. Pio thanked him and asked why. The cop said when he was learning how to ride that bike, his teacher instructed him to never give a ticket to an MD. He said "one day you'll turn that thing over and be lying in a ditch, and a doctor who got a ticket from a motorcycle cop will drive by with his thumb on his nose, waggling his fingers."

When doctors stop to help seriously injured people they are frequently reduced to being highly advanced first responders. With the power to analyze why someone's about to expire. But without the tools to do much to prevent it.
 
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You know, if I saw a rollover and determined that I could safely help the people out, I'd be down there helping as well. I'm not going to fault the guy for one second for wanting to help.

Imagine the media frothing at the mouth if he had just driven by and that somehow got out.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
You know, if I saw a rollover and determined that I could safely help the people out, I'd be down there helping as well. I'm not going to fault the guy for one second for wanting to help.

Imagine the media frothing at the mouth if he had just driven by and that somehow got out.
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One time driving from Omaha to Des Moines on an icy I-10 I came across an accident in which a van had turned on its roof. I stopped and walked over to the center divider (the van was in the west bound lanes) saw that other people were rendering assistance. I called 911.

Once in high school, a buddy of mine and I heard a woman screaming. She was having some sort of disagreement with a guy. We split up and headed over to the guy from different directions. My buddy was pretty direct. He just asked the guy "what the fark are you doing?" The guy made the mistake of putting his hands on my friend, who was a sectional wrestling champion. My friend demonstrated what's called a lateral drop on the guy, which seemed to calm him down. Turns out they were husband and wife, both over served, and he was trying to get her in the car to take her home. But it certainly could have been something else. My friend became a Marine platoon commander for an armored vehicle called Ontos in Vietnam. A very tough hombre.
 
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Huh?

A group of 13 University of Southern California students, along with several other unnamed students, claim they suffered from extensive failures on the part of university administrators and the Department of Public Safety in responding to reports of sexual violence on campus.

One student involved in the USC complaint, who asked to remain anonymous, said a DPS detective told her the campus police determined that no rape happened in her case because her alleged assailant did not orgasm, and that therefore they had decided not to refer the case to the Los Angeles Police Department.

"Because he stopped, it was not rape," she was told, according to the complaint. "Even though his p3ni5 penetrated your vagina, because he stopped, it was not a crime."
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Old Pio said:
One time driving from Omaha to Des Moines on an icy I-10 I came across an accident in which a van had turned on its roof. I stopped and walked over to the center divider (the van was in the west bound lanes) saw that other people were rendering assistance. I called 911.

Once in high school, a buddy of mine and I heard a woman screaming. She was having some sort of disagreement with a guy. We split up and headed over to the guy from different directions. My buddy was pretty direct. He just asked the guy "what the fark are you doing?" The guy made the mistake of putting his hands on my friend, who was a sectional wrestling champion. My friend demonstrated what's called a lateral drop on the guy, which seemed to calm him down. Turns out they were husband and wife, both over served, and he was trying to get her in the car to take her home. But it certainly could have been something else. My friend became a Marine platoon commander for an armored vehicle called Ontos in Vietnam. A very tough hombre.
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Uhhhh... wouldn't that be an icy I-80? ;)
 
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LynahFan said:
There's really not enough information in those articles to come to any conclusions.

1. consensual act commences
2. she says stop
3. he stops

Did a rape occur?
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I'm sorry, where did you get the first part?

Another article about these cases.

Reed, the lead complainant, said USC dismissed her claim that her ex-boyfriend had raped her, despite her providing audio recordings of him admitting to it. At one point, Reed said, a USC official told her the goal was to offer an "educative" process, not to "punish" the assailant.

"Rape is not an educative experience," Reed said. "It is a crushing, life-altering, inhuman violence."
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When another student went to the DPS to report a sexual assault at a fraternity event, according to the complaint, an officer told her and a friend, also a sexual assault survivor who had accompanied her, that women should not "go out, get drunk and expect not to get raped."
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Should you expect to get robbed? Murdered? What other crimes can people expect to suffer if they get drunk?
 
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Priceless said:
I'm sorry, where did you get the first part?

Another article about these cases.





Should you expect to get robbed? Murdered? What other crimes can people expect to suffer if they get drunk?
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Just curious, are any of these alleged rapists on the Lacrosse team? Do any of the alleged victims moonlight as "exotic dancers." Before we work ourselves into the customary frenzy, perhaps we should take just a moment to make sure the ladies are telling the story just the way it happened. Possibly even see if there are two sides to the stories. Nah, wouldn't want to do that. Much easier and more gratifying to just shoot from the hip at the usual suspects. What else is new?
 
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Old Pio said:
Just curious, are any of these alleged rapists on the Lacrosse team? Do any of the alleged victims moonlight as "exotic dancers." Before we work ourselves into the customary frenzy, perhaps we should take just a moment to make sure the ladies are telling the story just the way it happened. Possibly even see if there are two sides to the stories. Nah, wouldn't want to do that. Much easier and more gratifying to just shoot from the hip at the usual suspects. What else is new?
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Much easier to make snide remarks without even bothering to read the stories.
 
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