What's new
By:
USCHO Fan Forum

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

  • The USCHO Fan Forum has migrated to a new plaform, xenForo. Most of the function of the forum should work in familiar ways. Please note that you can switch between light and dark modes by clicking on the gear icon in the upper right of the main menu bar. We are hoping that this new platform will prove to be faster and more reliable. Please feel free to explore its features.

Nice Planet 2010

Status
Not open for further replies.
Re: Nice Planet 2010

The use of the word "Alleged" is over-used in the media. It's a poor way to write or say what's happend.

I've always thought, and was taught to never use that word in reporting. Using the phrase, "Police say" or "thebrain was arrested for" are much better and really say what the issue is and it's more conversational.

Police reports, most court documents are all public record. On of the roles of journalists is to be a watchdog of the government.

I think cameras should be allowed in the courtrooms too.
 
Re: Nice Planet 2010

Twitch Boy said:
With rape and sex crimes, it's usually just someone's word. Granted, there could be a video tape or lots of witnesses or something.
Click to expand...

And that's how it's presented by media organizations. Priceless was charged with indecent exposure. Brenthoven was arrested for prostitution. Those would be stating the facts, you have to make sure you're not making the accusations, but say what's actually happening and by whom.
 
Re: Nice Planet 2010

thebrain said:
The use of the word "Alleged" is over-used in the media. It's a poor way to write or say what's happend.

I've always thought, and was taught to never use that word in reporting. Using the phrase, "Police say" or "thebrain was arrested for" are much better and really say what the issue is and it's more conversational.

Police reports, most court documents are all public record. On of the roles of journalists is to be a watchdog of the government.

I think cameras should be allowed in the courtrooms too.
Click to expand...

As a guy whose been a radio news director, you're spot on. Many local media types (especially TV reporters, a particularly stupid breed) treat "alleged" and "allegedly" like a condiment--pour enough of them on your copy and you're okay.

Years ago in Houston there was a weekend anchor by the name of Dann Cuellar (don't you just love the double "n?") who on three occasions in one broadcast, referred to the "alleged gun," (I am not making this up). That creates the possibility that somewhere down the road there will be a criminal trial at which a police expert will be called to testify that, in fact, the object in his hand is a gun. Cuellar, you'll be happy to learn, wasn't relegated to men's room attendant, he was hired to be the primary anchor by a station in San Antonio, where presumably he was making six figures or better (this was in the 80's).

Another common crutch used by local reporters is "cop talk." You know, "the suspect exited the vehicle and was pursued in a foot chase." You mean "the dude got out of the car and took off running?" People who worked for me were trained to stop an interview with a law enforcement type who was spewing "cop talk," ask him to stop it and try again.
 
Re: Nice Planet 2010

Old Pio said:
As a guy whose been a radio news director, you're spot on. Many local media types (especially TV reporters, a particularly stupid breed) treat "alleged" and "allegedly" like a condiment--pour enough of them on your copy and you're okay.

Years ago in Houston there was a weekend anchor by the name of Dann Cuellar (don't you just love the double "n?") who on three occasions in one broadcast, referred to the "alleged gun," (I am not making this up). That creates the possibility that somewhere down the road there will be a criminal trial at which a police expert will be called to testify that, in fact, the object in his hand is a gun. Cuellar, you'll be happy to learn, wasn't relegated to men's room attendant, he was hired to be the primary anchor by a station in San Antonio, where presumably he was making six figures or better (this was in the 80's).

Another common crutch used by local reporters is "cop talk." You know, "the suspect exited the vehicle and was pursued in a foot chase." You mean "the dude got out of the car and took off running?" People who worked for me were trained to stop an interview with a law enforcement type who was spewing "cop talk," ask him to stop it and try again.
Click to expand...

I didn't know you were a radio news director...I used to work in TV news as a photojournalist/editor. Now I'm in community TV.

I once heard on a very small market newscast, "A Brainerd man was allegedly stabbed..." Was he stabbed or wasn't he?
 
Re: Nice Planet 2010

thebrain said:
I didn't know you were a radio news director...I used to work in TV news as a photojournalist/editor. Now I'm in community TV.

I once heard on a very small market newscast, "A Brainerd man was allegedly stabbed..." Was he stabbed or wasn't he?
Click to expand...

Yes, and was he stabbed with an "alleged knife?" :D
 
Re: Nice Planet 2010

Priceless said:
"Break him. Make him a private. I have no serious objection to the honorary title of Private Brady."
Click to expand...

Townswoman: You're the stranger, ain'tcha? Are you looking for a nice, clean place to stay?
E. K. Hornbeck: Madam, I had a nice clean place to stay... and I left it, to come here.

There've been a lot of great films made over the years, and "Inherit the Wind" is right up there with any of them. Watching those two old giants Tracy and March slug it out in scene after scene is one of the great film treats, ever.
 
Re: Nice Planet 2010

thebrain said:
The use of the word "Alleged" is over-used in the media. It's a poor way to write or say what's happend.

I've always thought, and was taught to never use that word in reporting. Using the phrase, "Police say" or "thebrain was arrested for" are much better and really say what the issue is and it's more conversational.

Police reports, most court documents are all public record. On of the roles of journalists is to be a watchdog of the government.

I think cameras should be allowed in the courtrooms too.
Click to expand...

Old Pio said:
As a guy whose been a radio news director, you're spot on. Many local media types (especially TV reporters, a particularly stupid breed) treat "alleged" and "allegedly" like a condiment--pour enough of them on your copy and you're okay.

Years ago in Houston there was a weekend anchor by the name of Dann Cuellar (don't you just love the double "n?") who on three occasions in one broadcast, referred to the "alleged gun," (I am not making this up). That creates the possibility that somewhere down the road there will be a criminal trial at which a police expert will be called to testify that, in fact, the object in his hand is a gun. Cuellar, you'll be happy to learn, wasn't relegated to men's room attendant, he was hired to be the primary anchor by a station in San Antonio, where presumably he was making six figures or better (this was in the 80's).

Another common crutch used by local reporters is "cop talk." You know, "the suspect exited the vehicle and was pursued in a foot chase." You mean "the dude got out of the car and took off running?" People who worked for me were trained to stop an interview with a law enforcement type who was spewing "cop talk," ask him to stop it and try again.
Click to expand...

And that's why the media is "the bad" guy a lot of the time. I mean, remember the whole Richard Jewell Olympics case? Hero to suspect (and all but convicted in the media) to hero again.

The media oftentimes use extremes to sell a story, and public perception of the suspects/victims is affected. The media have forgotten how to report the news as it is; they shouldn't dress it up.
 
Re: Nice Planet 2010

Brenthoven said:
And that's why the media is "the bad" guy a lot of the time. I mean, remember the whole Richard Jewell Olympics case? Hero to suspect (and all but convicted in the media) to hero again.

The media oftentimes use extremes to sell a story, and public perception of the suspects/victims is affected. The media have forgotten how to report the news as it is; they shouldn't dress it up.
Click to expand...

Plus too many "media" types are lazy, stupid and ignorant (in varying degrees). They allow themselves to be manipulated by erzatz groups like the "Moffat Tunnel Morality Board," which consists entirely of a couple of 70-year old evangelical lesbians and a fax machine. But the old lesbians always return media calls and are always available for quotes (they have nothing else to do afterall) and are thus inflated into "sources," notwithstanding the fact they only represent themselves. Much easier to put the old girls on the air than to chase down some legitimate "sources" for quotes.
 
Last edited:
Re: Nice Planet 2010

Old Pio said:
Plus too many "media" types are lazy, stupid and ignorant (in varying degrees). They allow themselves to be manipulated by erzatz groups like the "Moffat Tunnel Morality Board," which consists entirely of a couple of 70-year old evangelical lesbians and a fax machine. But the old lesbians always return media calls and are always available for quotes (they have nothing else to do afterall) and are thus inflated into "sources," notwithstanding the fact they only represent themselves. Much easier to put the old girls on the air than to chase down some legitimate "sources" for quotes.
Click to expand...

Man, that's some funny stuff. I couldn't stop laughing despite the part that you're making a serious point.
 
Re: Nice Planet 2010

dxmnkd316 said:
Man, that's some funny stuff. I couldn't stop laughing despite the part that you're making a serious point.
Click to expand...

Thanks. To be fair, we should consider the pressure of the "deadline." Reporters put out calls to several sources on several stories then frequently wind up waiting around for the calls to be returned. One iron clad rule: those calls will always be returned at once, not seriatum. And as the dealine approaches, the pressure builds on the reporter to get "something" on tape. It's not considered professional to have your anchor say something like: "Old Pio's source didn't call him back today, so we won't have that story about city hall corruption, but we do have a story about the fat guy in the leotards who was arrested panhandling downtown."

Let me give you a real world example. Several years ago during the Republican campaign for the gubernatorial nomination to oppose Ben Nelson in Nebraska, one of the Republicans issued a whiz bang tax proposal. So who would you want to interview in that instance? The candidate, of course. And if you couldn't get him explaining the virtues of his own tax proposal, you might go for some "expert" who could explain it. It might also be nice to talk to other Republican candidates to get their reaction. We had none of those people on the air. Instead, my reporter got a reaction from Democratic governor Ben Nelson! I suppose I should have been grateful that he didn't call the governor of Texas for a reaction. The point being, in the context of reporting on the Republican race for the nomination, Ben Nelson's reaction is almost totally without merit, unless you've talked to all of the other people I mentioned first.
 
Re: Nice Planet 2010

While not "real" news, a good reason why I *ing hate Jerry Seinfeld. What an arse.

http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/st...ls-against-gagas-less-than-ladylike-behavior/

When she asked to be moved, fans started booing her and she responded with the features. By the seventh inning, the Mets staff had moved her to Seinfeld's empty box.
Click to expand...

Yeah, how DARE they move her to my box, when I'm a superfan who doesn't deserve to have crappy people sit in my seats, even when I'm not there.

I hate Lady Gaga. I think she's a no-talent arse clown, but c'mon. You weren't even there!!!!! Lose the attitude, funny boy. (I use "funny boy" sarcastically, btw).
 
Re: Nice Planet 2010

Brenthoven said:
While not "real" news, a good reason why I *ing hate Jerry Seinfeld. What an arse.

http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/st...ls-against-gagas-less-than-ladylike-behavior/



Yeah, how DARE they move her to my box, when I'm a superfan who doesn't deserve to have crappy people sit in my seats, even when I'm not there.

I hate Lady Gaga. I think she's a no-talent arse clown, but c'mon. You weren't even there!!!!! Lose the attitude, funny boy. (I use "funny boy" sarcastically, btw).
Click to expand...

So you're upset that he's upset about ballpark officials pandering to her nonsense of demanding to be moved, and they put her in his PRIVATE BOX WITHOUT HIS PERMISSION? I'm not sure why you think he shouldn't have a problem with that.

Sounds like a classic case of, "I don't like they guy therefore everything he says/does is wrong." :rolleyes:

You're better than that, hoven.
 
Re: Nice Planet 2010

johnnypohlfan said:
So you're upset that he's upset about ballpark officials pandering to her nonsense of demanding to be moved, and they put her in his PRIVATE BOX WITHOUT HIS PERMISSION? I'm not sure why you think he shouldn't have a problem with that.

Sounds like a classic case of, "I don't like they guy therefore everything he says/does is wrong." :rolleyes:

You're better than that, hoven.
Click to expand...

She flipped off the fans which is beyond classless. It is his box, he has the right to have whoever he wants in it. To pay what he does for his suite, why should she be rewarded for her bad behavior with his box? Which he didn't give permission to be used!

I agree with johnnypohlfan.
 
Re: Nice Planet 2010

He should've had her her *** thrown out of the box onto some empty seats below.
 
Re: Nice Planet 2010

Brenthoven said:
While not "real" news, a good reason why I *ing hate Jerry Seinfeld. What an arse.

http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/st...ls-against-gagas-less-than-ladylike-behavior/



Yeah, how DARE they move her to my box, when I'm a superfan who doesn't deserve to have crappy people sit in my seats, even when I'm not there.

I hate Lady Gaga. I think she's a no-talent arse clown, but c'mon. You weren't even there!!!!! Lose the attitude, funny boy. (I use "funny boy" sarcastically, btw).
Click to expand...

You should've heard Jerry Seinfeld today when he visited the press box with the tv commentators for the Mets or Yankees (who the hell cares). He was gushing like he was a member of the View having just gotten to meet Oprah Winfrey and Hillary Clinton in the same room.

Swear to God, when the camera went back to the game I thought he'd fellate one or both of them.

I saw him live in Vegas and, though I thought the show was alright, I was glad I didn't have to pay for tickets.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top