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NHL 2015, Part 3: Stanley Cup and Offseason

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lugnut92 said:
No goals in 17 straight playoff games is showing up? 0.24 points per game in the playoffs (which is less than what T.J. "Playoff Choker" Oshie puts up) is showing up? He had one really good playoff run with the Blackhawks 5 years ago. He has 3 goals and 6 assists in 42 games since then. If that's showing up, I hope the Blues never show up in the playoffs.
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Showing up in the Stanley Cup Playoffs is not solely about the score sheet. Example? Desjardins for CHI this Cup run. He ate up a ton of key minutes and as a CHI fan I never worried about bad things happening when he was out there (other than that one bad penalty he took).
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Showing up in the Stanley Cup Playoffs is not solely about the score sheet. Example? Desjardins for CHI this Cup run. He ate up a ton of key minutes and as a CHI fan I never worried about bad things happening when he was out there (other than that one bad penalty he took).
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Oshie has played against tougher competition 5x5 (52.6% Corsi QoC vs. 51.1%) over the last four playoffs (obviously Brouwer missed one of those), and played a higher percentage of his team's minutes at 5x5. I suppose Brouwer played more minutes shorthanded, but the PK was just never Oshie's job. Oshie had an even penalty differential compared to Brouwer's -3 (0 vs. -0.37 if we go by per 60 rates). Oshie had a higher corsi share, higher fenwick share, and a higher share of high-danger scoring chances. What Oshie didn't have was luck, as evidenced by his relatively low PDO.

(all stats from war-on-ice)
 
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All lovely numbers, yet I notice you end with a reference to the intangible "luck". Players make luck for themselves --> "The harder I work the luckier I get."

However, I believe Brouwer will help STL as much as Oshie will help WAS. Each team needed different things. I think each got what they needed. They must have also, or they wouldn't have done the deal.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
All lovely numbers, yet I notice you end with a reference to the intangible "luck". Players make luck for themselves --> "The harder I work the luckier I get."
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Over thousands of games sure. Over a small sample of playoff games, not necessarily, you can definitely just be snakebit.

It's a dumb trade for STL unless there's some salary issues that I don't know about.
 
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lugnut92 said:
No goals in 17 straight playoff games is showing up? 0.24 points per game in the playoffs (which is less than what T.J. "Playoff Choker" Oshie puts up) is showing up? He had one really good playoff run with the Blackhawks 5 years ago. He has 3 goals and 6 assists in 42 games since then. If that's showing up, I hope the Blues never show up in the playoffs.
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Well...


Nah. Too easy.


:D:p
 
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trixR4kids said:
Over thousands of games sure. Over a small sample of playoff games, not necessarily, you can definitely just be snakebit.

It's a dumb trade for STL unless there's some salary issues that I don't know about.
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Our cap situation is okay, though we don't have too much room to wiggle this season after the Tarasenko contract. I am almost forced to think that there was something behind the scenes that made Army ship Oshie out. Osh had publicly clashed with Hitchcock this past season, and when Hitch was extended it became clear that Oshie was probably on his way out. I had accepted that Oshie was going to go, I'm just upset at all the spin that this was a move for on-ice performance. I reject the idea that the Blues needed more #grit, and it's not like Oshie didn't throw his body around. The Blues are almost certainly worse off on the ice with Brouwer instead of Oshie, but it's possible that Brouwer will ease some of the locker room tension. All in all, I think it was a bad return for a player I really liked.

Dude Love said:
This is basically it right here. They found a buyer for Oshie because they had already decided they wanted Tarasenko in the long run over Oshie.
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Brouwer only saved us half a million dollars and a year of term. We had room to sign Tarasenko at that ticket even with Oshie, and now we'll have to sign a new RW next summer.
 
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icehawk said:
Loved watching TJ in a Fighting Sioux jersey. Guy brought it every game. Thought he would have a better NHL career up to now. He has had one 20 goal season and unless he plays on a line with Ovy and Backs I really don't really don't see anything changing unless a change of scenery is what he needs. Disappears in the playoffs. 30 games with 5 goals and a -12. Ouch.
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If Oshie scored in the playoffs at the same rate he has in the regular season in his NHL career, he'd have seven goals in 30 playoff games instead of five. He doesn't disappear, it just becomes more obvious that he's not nearly good as the hype around him suggests.
 
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Sad to see him go, but inevitable coz of the cap.
 
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Wings re-up Nyquist for 4 years, $4.75 mil AAV. I think that's going to be a bargain for a guy who's already demonstrated he's capable of almost 30 goals a year.
 
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Not sure what the Hawks were doing on that one, they didn't even save that much cap space and Daley isn't good.
 
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Chris Stewart signs 1 year deal with the Ducks. With Brodziak gone too I didn't think the Wild could be any softer but they are.
 
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