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New Poll Predictions for 11/30

Re: New Poll Predictions for 11/30

Ryan Maloney said:
I guess my whole argument here is that we don't need to come up with reasons why PLattsburgh is better than Oswego or why Oswego is better than Plattsburgh. The work was done for us by the players on Nov. 7.
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In a general sense, the result of one game is not necessarily an indicator of which team is better.
 
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Ryan Maloney said:
...and that little head-to-head match-up that they had!
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...which is exactly what I was talking about in terms of statistical superiority. Whereas voters would need to actually be present at multiple games to form opinions in the other ways I outlined, the head-to-head win is something that can (and should) directly influence voters purely via the boxscore.
 
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mjbeckman said:
Fortunately, these rankings don't come into play when the NCAA does its rankings and awarding of bids later on. These polls are just for talking points. It just strokes the ego more than anything else.
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Ironically this "meaningless poll" of coaches and writers does more to reflect the best in DIII than the shady methodology employed by the NCAA in their ranking process.
 
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sticksnstones said:
All Oswego has to do is beat Adrian and they can have numero uno all to themselves :D
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I would think they need to go undefeated up to and including the Adrian game with POSSIBLY the only loss coming to Elmira pending they play them in the Pathfinder Final...and get their themselves. Oswego has 7 games between now and the Adrian game and I don't think they will hold the 1st place vote by themselves if they lose or tie more then 1 of those games...even so, one might be streaching it considering who they play.

All the teams dress great players...Brockport and Geneseo always play Oswego tough and will certainly be pumped to be going up against the 1st ranked Lakers this coming weekend. Utica is always a tough match I would say, especially at their rink. Hamilton and Hobart I have not seen in a while but I remember Hobart being a tough playing team. The Conn College in the pathfinder before playing either Elmira or MSOE in the finals (if they get there themselves).

Thus, I would say at worse, Oswego needs to go 6-1-0 the rest of the way leading up to the Adrian game to be considered for first place.
 
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Just glancing through some previous posts I saw some back and forth on the 1-2 (or should I say 1-1) Oswego-Plattsburgh tie atop the poll. This may be throwing some fuel into a fire but aside the argument of why it is the way it is, more importantly...I would say is...why does Plattsburgh have more first place votes then Oswego?

Plattsburg has played
Oswego (1) – Oswego was I think 5 or 6 that week Oz defeated them in Plattsburgh?
Middlebury (8) – Platty beats Middlebury
Norwich (5) – Platty ties Norwich

Oswego has played
Elmira (6) x2 – Oswego wins one at home easy and loses a close on the road.
Plattsburgh (2) – Oswego defeats Platty (see above)


How would it then be that Oswego gets less first place votes then Platty?

Oh...who cares I guess :rolleyes:
 
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mjbeckman said:
But Russell, the poll is to be based on who is the best team in the country overall, and that has to be determined on entire body of work. And if you put records side by side (even if the Cards knocked off Norwich), Oswego 5 - Plattsburgh 2 at Stafford has to trump everything else, no?
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No.

What happens if say Oswego suddenly had 10 of their top players injured in practice and out for the season? Would you then say that Oswego is the best team in the country?

When Oswego played Plattsburgh, they were better than Plattsburgh. But what many voters are saying is right now at this time, Plattsburgh is the better team. In other words, what they are saying is if these two teams met tomorrow, they believe Plattsburgh would win.

I don't understand why people cannot understand that concept when some voters cast their ballots.

BTW, for all those folks arguing with me, did you miss the part where I said I picked Oswego #1?
 
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zamboney said:
That being the case please explain Midd. Have not won the NESCAC regular season outright since 03-04 , finished last year in 2nd place with a slightly better record to Williams, does not lead the league in any team stats...PP, PK etc, has a .500 week-end and moves up. When will the the reputation factor wear off?
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Beats me. I put Middlebury way down in my poll. :D
 
Re: New Poll Predictions for 11/30

Ryan Maloney said:
No. This isn't an argument of, "if team A beats team B, team A should always be ranked higher." I'm taking the teams' bodies of work over the entire season into consideration.

On one hand, you have Oswego. They've won a lot of games in convincing fashion and have victories over the co-#1 (by 3 goals on the road) and #6 (by 5 goals) teams in the nation. They have one loss (again to the #6 team in the nation, by a score of 2-1 on the road).

On the other hand, you have Plattsburgh. They've won a lot of games in convincing fashion and have a victory over the #8 (by 2 goals, neutral site) and a tie with the #5 (on the road) team in the nation.

I just don't see how anyone could make a case for Plattsburgh being #1 when you add all of that up. And I didn't even mention the fact that the co-#1 Oswego beat by three goals on the road IS Plattsburgh.
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--------------------------------------------------------------------Ryan, my husband and I have decided to give you the sole first place ranking in this meaningless poll since it obviously upsets you to no end. :rolleyes: ;)
 
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