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New Poll Predictions for 11/30

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Just so I've got this right, there are eight people out there who think Plattsburgh is better than Oswego? Eight!? The Lakers beat the Cards by three...in Plattsburgh...in a game in which Plattsburgh never led, and Plattsburgh is #1 in your poll?

And, just a heads up, the first person that responds to this with a SOG mention will be taken out back and shot. It doesn't matter how many times your scorekeeper says you hit Kyle Gunn-Taylor with the puck.
 
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NorthernLite said:
jerry.....you have no sense of humour.:(
.....scroll up and read post # 10 .
.....then you can go back to sleep.:D :D
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Well, it wasn't directly solely at you.....
But still, based on the results to date, Salem lost in OT to the number 8 team, and beat the then number 1 team, on the road.
NU tied the number 3 team at home (with impact players out for both teams).
Salem's accomplishments seem to be greater to me, at this point.
 
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Yeah it's hard to figure how Platty could lead in first place votes. I don't really care but I fail to see any logic in that.
 
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Ryan Maloney said:
Just so I've got this right, there are eight people out there who think Plattsburgh is better than Oswego? Eight!? The Lakers beat the Cards by three...in Plattsburgh...in a game in which Plattsburgh never led, and Plattsburgh is #1 in your poll?
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So, if Potsdam upsets Plattsburgh this weekend, they should be #1?

A poll takes in not only a whole season but how well you are playing right now. If Plattsburgh had beaten Norwich, I would have voted them #1. Instead, I stuck with Oswego, but it was a close decision.

And I put Salem State in the middle in my poll. You lose by one goal to a ranked team and then beat SNC, heck shut them out, and haven't lost any other game this year, you deserve a good spot in the poll.
 
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Russell Jaslow said:
A poll takes in not only a whole season but how well you are playing right now. If Plattsburgh had beaten Norwich, I would have voted them #1. Instead, I stuck with Oswego, but it was a close decision.

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But Russell, the poll is to be based on who is the best team in the country overall, and that has to be determined on entire body of work. And if you put records side by side (even if the Cards knocked off Norwich), Oswego 5 - Plattsburgh 2 at Stafford has to trump everything else, no?

As an Oswego alum, the #1 ranking (even shared) is pretty dang cool. But the longer the 1 in the L column on the Lakers' record remains the same while the number in the W column grows, the happier I'll be.
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Russell Jaslow said:
So, if Potsdam upsets Plattsburgh this weekend, they should be #1?

A poll takes in not only a whole season but how well you are playing right now. Il.
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That being the case please explain Midd. Have not won the NESCAC regular season outright since 03-04 , finished last year in 2nd place with a slightly better record to Williams, does not lead the league in any team stats...PP, PK etc, has a .500 week-end and moves up. When will the the reputation factor wear off?
 
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zamboney said:
That being the case please explain Midd. Have not won the NESCAC in two years, has a .500 week-end and moves up. When will the the reputation factor wear off?
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Fortunately, these rankings don't come into play when the NCAA does its rankings and awarding of bids later on. These polls are just for talking points. It just strokes the ego more than anything else.
 
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NUProf said:
How logically, after the Primelink finals can you fit that many teams between Norwich and Plattsburgh? You can put one or the other ahead by one slot, but to have that many teams between them doesn't make sense. If ever two teams showed up as evenly matched that was what happened there.
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Even though voters tend to emphasize the last few games, your ranking is generally based on the body of your whole season. Plattsburgh has had more games, and consequently more wins (and yes, one more loss), than norwich.

Home ice does count for something as well. Anyone voting Norwich #1 over a team they tied at norwich is using something other than logic, in my opinion.
 
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Ryan Maloney said:
Just so I've got this right, there are eight people out there who think Plattsburgh is better than Oswego? Eight!? The Lakers beat the Cards by three...in Plattsburgh...in a game in which Plattsburgh never led, and Plattsburgh is #1 in your poll?

And, just a heads up, the first person that responds to this with a SOG mention will be taken out back and shot. It doesn't matter how many times your scorekeeper says you hit Kyle Gunn-Taylor with the puck.
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Atleast 8...those 5 guys who picked Adrian or Norwich first might have had Platty at 2 ahead of Oswego:p
 
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Well, there's always the possibility that there's a neutral SUNYAC coach among the voters who used his on-ice experience to choose between two relatively similar portfolios, and found Plattsburgh the tougher opponent. Or perhaps a non-coach who's seen both teams in action outside of their head-to-head matchup and arrived at the same conclusion. However, there's no way all 8 of Plattsburgh's first-place voters had this kind of firsthand info, and I agree that Oswego should get the nod in a purely statistical comparison.
 
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I don't feel at least at this time of the season that Oswego and Plattsburgh should be tied for #1. Now I would say that they are most certainly 1-2, but just the fact that Oswego beat Plattsburgh at Stafford by three goals should at this time give Oswego a slim lead in votes over Platty.

On top of that Plattsburgh also tied Norwich( and lost the Primelink championship in a shootout). If they had won that game I would most certainly say the teams deserve to be tied and may even put Plattsburgh ahead.

Yet Oswego at this point should be alone (by a slim margin mind you) at the top followed by Plattsburgh.
 
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Ryan Maloney said:
Just so I've got this right, there are eight people out there who think Plattsburgh is better than Oswego? Eight!? The Lakers beat the Cards by three...in Plattsburgh...in a game in which Plattsburgh never led, and Plattsburgh is #1 in your poll?
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now Ryan, I understand where your coming from, but look at Oswego's season as a whole. they beat Plattsburgh, and I know that's your sticking point. they split with Elmira and beat Utica. and I'm not taking into account the rest of the SUNY games because both Plattsburgh and Oswego have beaten common opponents within the division.

now look at the "uncommon" opponents:
Elmira: (whom Plattsburgh still has to play in Jan.) has a loss to Oswego, and Morrisville.

Utica: has lost to Oswego, a tie and loss to Neumann and a loss to Potsdam.

so the "better" teams that Oswego is playing are losing games that they should not be against what most would consider weaker teams.

now, I'm not a voter, but I will give you my opinion and honestly I don't think that either Plattsburgh or Oswego should be #1 in the country. and honestly, I don't know who should be. while I'm a Plattsburgh fan, and have been happy with their season so far, a loss to Oswego is a disappointment in my eyes. and it's tough for me to argue Oswego's case with losses to teams who don't seem to be as strong as they were last year, especially with losses to "lower" teams. (sarcasm on) Heck, why not just give Adrian #1.... :D
 
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Russell Jaslow said:
So, if Potsdam upsets Plattsburgh this weekend, they should be #1?
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No. This isn't an argument of, "if team A beats team B, team A should always be ranked higher." I'm taking the teams' bodies of work over the entire season into consideration.

On one hand, you have Oswego. They've won a lot of games in convincing fashion and have victories over the co-#1 (by 3 goals on the road) and #6 (by 5 goals) teams in the nation. They have one loss (again to the #6 team in the nation, by a score of 2-1 on the road).

On the other hand, you have Plattsburgh. They've won a lot of games in convincing fashion and have a victory over the #8 (by 2 goals, neutral site) and a tie with the #5 (on the road) team in the nation.

I just don't see how anyone could make a case for Plattsburgh being #1 when you add all of that up. And I didn't even mention the fact that the co-#1 Oswego beat by three goals on the road IS Plattsburgh.
 
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LakerFan11 said:
I don't feel at least at this time of the season that Oswego and Plattsburgh should be tied for #1. Now I would say that they are most certainly 1-2, but just the fact that Oswego beat Plattsburgh at Stafford by three goals should at this time give Oswego a slim lead in votes over Platty.
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but like I just posted, your looking at it as a one game season, not the whole season.

On top of that Plattsburgh also tied Norwich( and lost the Primelink championship in a shootout). If they had won that game I would most certainly say the teams deserve to be tied and may even put Plattsburgh ahead.
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but officially the game ends in a tie as far as the NCAA is concerned. the shootout is just to determine who holds the trophy for the year.
 
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LoudHorns31 said:
so the "better" teams that Oswego is playing are losing games that they should not be against what most would consider weaker teams.
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That doesn't matter. Oswego can only control what they do on the ice.


I guess my whole argument here is that we don't need to come up with reasons why PLattsburgh is better than Oswego or why Oswego is better than Plattsburgh. The work was done for us by the players on Nov. 7.
 
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Ryan Maloney said:
That doesn't matter. Oswego can only control what they do on the ice.


I guess my whole argument here is that we don't need to come up with reasons why PLattsburgh is better than Oswego or why Oswego is better than Plattsburgh. The work was done for us by the players on Nov. 7.
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I'm GUESSING that since both teams have one loss (yes I realize that Plattsburghs loss is to Oswego) that some posters are actually looking at Strength of Schedule. and saying that Plattsburghs schedule is a bit tougher than Oswego's. again thats what I'm guessing. and like I said before, I don't see either team as #1 in the country right now, but I guess we'll have to settle for sharing the #1 seat for this week.
 
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Russell Jaslow said:
So, if Potsdam upsets Plattsburgh this weekend, they should be #1?

A poll takes in not only a whole season but how well you are playing right now. If Plattsburgh had beaten Norwich, I would have voted them #1. Instead, I stuck with Oswego, but it was a close decision.

And I put Salem State in the middle in my poll. You lose by one goal to a ranked team and then beat SNC, heck shut them out, and haven't lost any other game this year, you deserve a good spot in the poll.
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Thank you for coming forth
Wish more voters felt the same way
 
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