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NCAA Rankings 2/19/13

Re: NCAA Rankings 2/19/13

cetihcra said:
And P.S., yes krach is on crack if they think manhattanville has the 12th hardest schedule in d3. I don't care if it passes your uneducated "sniff test", the sample size and margin for error make it about as useful a sandbox in the desert.

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M'ville's SOS is ranked #12 in the Pairwise Comparisons. Given this ranking is what the comittee considers when selecting the at large bids, do you think they are on crack as well? Could this be the source of smoke in the the smoke filled room?
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Re: NCAA Rankings 2/19/13

LakerFan99 said:
llama said:
Not at all. If Oswego can't beat Plattsburgh next Saturday, they shouldn't go to the NCAAs. Their SOS is awful and their record against ranked teams is worse. They don't have the resume to get in. But that room can get awfully smoky. :P
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You could be right...but I agree you never know.

I was more joking that some VERY good Oswego teams have got an at large bid after losing in the SUNYAC tourney (i.e. 2007 National Championship team and last year's National Runner Up team). I would argue those teams did deserve a shot at the National title...
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Re: NCAA Rankings 2/19/13

peddler said:
Babson or Hobart if Babson loses to Norwich in the ECAC-E final?
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I think Hobart still wins the comparisons. However, nothing is to be assumed when the committee meets in a week.

Does the committee owe Hobart one after last year's snub?
 
Re: NCAA Rankings 2/19/13

joecct said:
I think Hobart still wins the comparisons. However, nothing is to be assumed when the committee meets in a week.

Does the committee owe Hobart one after last year's snub?
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I am sure the committeevdoes not feel they were snubbed, so doubtful thry "oee" them.
 
Re: NCAA Rankings 2/19/13

IF...if ifs and butts were fruits and nuts...........yes johnny everyday would be xmas.......thats what I think of all this ranking crap:D....ps the way Oswego played last night I dont think they would do to well in the NCAAS...IF IF IF they manage to get in
 
Re: NCAA Rankings 2/19/13

peddler said:
Babson or Hobart if Babson loses to Norwich in the ECAC-E final?
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Neumann has shut down (or should I say their goalie) Hobart in the last 2 games. Neumann would be 6-4-1 vs Easts top 15 if I can count tonight :). Hobart couldn't win the reg. season title in the last 2 weeks, or ECAC-W tourney's semis at home. Neumann (albeit in one game) has beat Norwich and Babson will be 0-2-1 with a loss. Would think the best thing for both Babson and Hobart would be Manhattanville to win in the ECAC - W.
 
Re: NCAA Rankings 2/19/13

Domesfan said:
Neumann has shut down (or should I say their goalie) Hobart in the last 2 games. Neumann would be 6-4-1 vs Easts top 15 if I can count tonight :). Hobart couldn't win the reg. season title in the last 2 weeks, or ECAC-W tourney's semis at home. Neumann (albeit in one game) has beat Norwich and Babson will be 0-2-1 with a loss. Would think the best thing for both Babson and Hobart would be Manhattanville to win in the ECAC - W.
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Based on the criteria used to select at large bids to the NCAA D3 tourney, it is unlikely (although not impossible) that Neumann will be offered a spot regardless of the outcome of the ECAC-W finals. (See http://www.d3hockey.com/bracketology/men/12-13/feb-20) In part due to their 5-5-1 record against "ranked teams".
 
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peddler said:
Based on the criteria used to select at large bids to the NCAA D3 tourney, it is unlikely (although not impossible) that Neumann will be offered a spot regardless of the outcome of the ECAC-W finals. (See http://www.d3hockey.com/bracketology/men/12-13/feb-20) In part due to their 5-5-1 record against "ranked teams".
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The global metrics are winning percentage, strength of schedule, and record vs. ranked teams. Comparing teams two at a time, they use Head to Head records (if applicable) and common opponents (if applicable)

Among Eastern teams, Neumann is 10th in win, 13th in SOS, and 7th in record vs. ranked teams. Even with a win against Manhattanville, they aren't likely to improve their rankings in those categories to get far enough up the "ladder," to get a Pool C bid. I don't think they can pass either Hobart or Utica
 
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Not sure how you concoct your numbers (never have been), but the nationally-respected KRACH has Neumann #3 SOS in the East, and that's an immeasureably more logical ranking than #13, FCS... Not only has NU played 7 games vs. Utica and Hobart, while winning 3 of them, but they also went to VT and beat Norwich.

In light of that, their win % is the only thing keeping them just off the bubble, by any reasonable standard. While I don't see them knocking either Hobart or Utica out- and they shouldn't -I can certainly see them having a better argument for inclusion than half the AQs have, on the basis of merit alone.

(And yes, I realize that "merit" is not what D-3 strives to reward, thanks just the same.)
 
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Re: NCAA Rankings 2/19/13

Fishman'81 said:
Not sure how you concoct your numbers (never have been), but the nationally-respected KRACH has Neumann #3 SOS in the East, and that's an immeasureably more logical ranking than #13, FCS... Not only has NU played 7 games vs. Utica and Hobart, while winning 3 of them, but they also went to VT and beat Norwich
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2 notes:

1) Krach is meaningless, it's not what the committee uses, and you really need to stop looking at it, unless you really want to drive yourself nuts trying to understand what the committee does when all is said and done. The USCHO page even makes a point to put at the bottom "for entertainment purposes only". Hardly what I would call "nationally-respected".

2) He didn't "concoct" those numbers. Those numbers were taken from this page, which shows the raw numbers that the committee actually uses. If you're going to look at any numbers when predicting what the committee will do on 3/3/2013, those are the numbers you should be looking at, not your "nationally-respected" KRACH.
 
Re: NCAA Rankings 2/19/13

NCAA rankings are released (I believe) on Tuesdays. There should be one more ranking made public-tomorrow.
 
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