MLB 2010: Hope Springs Eternal

[PrezdeJohnson09]

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If Brett Gardner keeps playing the way he's been playing, they may not need to sign Crawford - because right now, Gardner's a cheaper version.

Since when have the Yankees been worried about "cheaper" options?

If Steinbrenner wants Crawford, he'll go out and get him. New York didn't need a centerfielder this past season but that didn't stop him from going out and getting Granderson, who your previous centerfielder has actually performed better than so far.

 

[thecomicbookguy]

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Since when have the Yankees been worried about "cheaper" options?

If Steinbrenner wants Crawford, he'll go out and get him. New York didn't need a centerfielder this past season but that didn't stop him from going out and getting Granderson, who your previous centerfielder has actually performed better than so far.

Are you referring to Johnny Damon? Isn't Granderson making less than Damon (who, I believe, was a free agent after last season)?

I don't think the Yankees are worried about the cheaper option, but I think they'll take it when it's as good as a more expensive (and older) player.

 

[SteveF]

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If Steinbrenner wants Crawford, he'll go out and get him. New York didn't need a centerfielder this past season but that didn't stop him from going out and getting Granderson, who your previous centerfielder has actually performed better than so far.

the mets have the third highest payroll in the national league this year and 6th highest overall; down slightly from 2009 when they had the highest in the national league and 2nd highest overall (behind only the yankees)

that alone should tell you that money doesnt guarantee success. (unless you count 23 games back as successful) so perhaps you need to find a little more perspective amongst your crying.

 

[PrezdeJohnson09]

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the mets have the third highest payroll in the national league this year and 6th highest overall; down slightly from 2009 when they had the highest in the national league and 2nd highest overall (behind only the yankees)

that alone should tell you that money doesnt guarantee success. (unless you count 23 games back as successful) so perhaps you need to find a little more perspective amongst your crying.

Did the Yankees have 10 players on the DL last year?

The Mets were atrocious last year but part of it was due to the injuries.

Also, there is a difference between the Mets and Yankees. We don't get the top of the line players that the Yankees do, we get the second tier ones that you don't want in most cases.

The only thing worse than paying a boat load of money for players, is paying a boat load of money for B-level players while your crosstown counterpart stocks up on the A-list players.

I know plenty about money not buying championships: IE: Rangers and Mets fan.

There is a difference between what those two do though and what the Yankees do. They literally have an all-star at every position, the Mets and Rangers did/do not.

 

[Kepler]

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As Met fans, we root for a team with more financial resources than about 25 of our 29 opponents. We can't play that card credibly.

I'd support a strict salary cap and floor in MLB, even though it would adversely affect my team's overall chances. It would stop the same big market teams, including the Mets, from hogging all the talented payers, and more importantly it would force the dozen or so "scam teams" from deliberately fielding a debased product year after year and using poverty as a blind.

 

[GreatLakerMohawk]

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So.. Basically, the Mets spend money like dopes while the Yankees do it a bit smarter.

There, that's settled. Stop crying.

 

[Red Cloud]

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Since when have the Yankees been worried about "cheaper" options?

You have no ability whatsoever to discuss anything related to the Yankees rationally. The mere mention appears to make you froth at the mouth and spout nonsense.

How do you figure that they didn't need a center fielder? Damon was their center fielder and he was a free agent. Instead of paying him more than they thought he was worse, they traded for a younger, cheaper center fielder.

Your major problem with this is that it made them a better team, and you can't stand it.

Please, continue to embarrass yourself. I'm getting a huge kick out all the crying.

 

[thecomicbookguy]

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So.. Basically, the Mets spend money like dopes while the Yankees do it a bit smarter.

There, that's settled. Stop crying.

Seriously, it's amazing that this argument keeps coming up year after year. It's not about just spending money. It's about spending money wisely.

 

[GreatLakerMohawk]

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Seriously, it's amazing that this argument keeps coming up year after year. It's not about just spending money. It's about spending money wisely.

Seeing the forest for the trees can be hard for some people.

 

[Hammer]

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Also, there is a difference between the Mets and Yankees. We don't get the top of the line players that the Yankees do, we get the second tier ones that you don't want in most cases.

The only thing worse than paying a boat load of money for players, is paying a boat load of money for B-level players while your crosstown counterpart stocks up on the A-list players.

I know plenty about money not buying championships: IE: Rangers and Mets fan.

That's called piss-poor management, and that has nothing to do with how much money you can spend. You can be an idiot with a $30 mil payroll just as easily as you can with a $100 mil payroll.

There is a difference between what those two do though and what the Yankees do. They literally have an all-star at every position, the Mets and Rangers did/do not.

Um, you might want to look at what the Yankees did in the 30's, 40's and 50's, when they could literally buy talent before other teams could even get them into their systems. That was before free agency, when the reserve clause was still in effect. The Yankees bought the best talent, and they didn't have to subject anyone to free agency that they didn't want to. And that's even before we mention how they treated the Kansas City A's in the 50's.

At one point in the mid-50, and into the early 60's, the Yankees had in the everyday lineup: Yogi, Elston Howard, Bobby Richardson, Phil Rizzuto, Mantle, Maris, and oh, by the way, Whitey Ford was pitching every fifth day. Nothing has changed in 50 years, even though the landscape appears to done exactly the opposite.

 

[PrezdeJohnson09]

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Seriously, it's amazing that this argument keeps coming up year after year. It's not about just spending money. It's about spending money wisely.

How is it spending wisely when the Yankees were rumored as front runners to try and get Jason Werth? Oops Granderson didn't work out. That's okay, we've got an endless money supply and can just go after another all-star.

The Yankees have spent millions on busts that didnt work out and they just go ahead and find someone else.

They have that ability, hardly anyone else does.

 

[PrezdeJohnson09]

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So.. Basically, the Mets spend money like dopes while the Yankees do it a bit smarter.

There, that's settled. Stop crying.

You have no ability whatsoever to discuss anything related to the Yankees rationally. The mere mention appears to make you froth at the mouth and spout nonsense.

How do you figure that they didn't need a center fielder? Damon was their center fielder and he was a free agent. Instead of paying him more than they thought he was worse, they traded for a younger, cheaper center fielder.

Your major problem with this is that it made them a better team, and you can't stand it.

Please, continue to embarrass yourself. I'm getting a huge kick out all the crying.

Seeing the forest for the trees can be hard for some people.

Get off your high horses and stop being arrogant ***holes.

^^The above comments are exactly why everyone hates Yankees fans.

 

[Kepler]

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It's the American League. It isn't real baseball anyway.

 

[Red Cloud]

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Get off your high horses and stop being arrogant ***holes.

^^The above comments are exactly why everyone hates Yankees fans.

^^The above comments are exactly why all Yankee fans love being hated - because invariably the loudest and most shrill voices of hate come from people like this.

How is it spending wisely when the Yankees were rumored as front runners to try and get Jason Werth? Oops Granderson didn't work out. That's okay, we've got an endless money supply and can just go after another all-star.

The Yankees have spent millions on busts that didnt work out and they just go ahead and find someone else.

They have that ability, hardly anyone else does.

 

[thecomicbookguy]

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How is it spending wisely when the Yankees were rumored as front runners to try and get Jason Werth? Oops Granderson didn't work out. That's okay, we've got an endless money supply and can just go after another all-star.

The Yankees have spent millions on busts that didnt work out and they just go ahead and find someone else.

They have that ability, hardly anyone else does.

Being "rumored as front runners" for any player is not actually spending at all.

Honest question for Yankees fans: has Granderson "not worked out"? The numbers I've seen, he's close in production this year to Damon (though Granderson has played fewer games - injury?), and costs less. Not that you're going to address that fact.

Yes, the Yankees have more money than anyone else, and can cover their mistakes because of it. So what? Did they acquire that money by screwing over the rest of the league? Did they steal a billion dollars from the Orioles?

The more you post about this, the more you sound exactly as Red Cloud has described you..

 

[Red Cloud]

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Honest question for Yankees fans: has Granderson "not worked out"? The numbers I've seen, he's close in production this year to Damon (though Granderson has played fewer games - injury?), and costs less. Not that you're going to address that fact.

Why wouldn't we? I mean, he's not doing what he was doing in Detroit (yet), but yes, he's struggled with staying healthy and that's certainly a factor. Having him for less than Damon cost works, too. I think one reason his struggles are being overlooked to some extent in the Bronx is because the Yankees have been winning despite them. Plus he did buy himself an awful lot of leeway in that first series of the season.

Did they acquire that money by screwing over the rest of the league? Did they steal a billion dollars from the Orioles?

Technically, they're GIVING money to the Orioles (and everyone else).

 

[thecomicbookguy]

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Why wouldn't we?

Sorry, that post was unclear - I meant that Prezde would continue to ignore the fact that Granderson makes less than Damon. Only the question about Granderson "working out" was directed at Yankees fans.

Good thing I'm not a professional writer, eh?

 

[Hammer]

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Granderson won't make less than Damon for long. That contract escalates in a hurry. Without looking, I think the next 2 years are for $11 mil and for $13.5 mil, respectively.

 

[GreatLakerMohawk]

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How is it spending wisely when the Yankees were rumored as front runners to try and get Jason Werth? Oops Granderson didn't work out. That's okay, we've got an endless money supply and can just go after another all-star.

The Yankees have spent millions on busts that didnt work out and they just go ahead and find someone else.

They have that ability, hardly anyone else does.

Jesus you're a baby.

The rumor for Werth was to give up Javy Vazquez to get him. They're not exactly giving up nothing to get him and they wouldn't be giving up Granderson to get him. Both guys have contracts that expire at the end of the season. So yeah, that would totally be done to cover up a "problem" with Granderson.

You've lost your mind with your seething hate of the Yankees to the point you're trolling yourself with insane comments. Your team is run by morons with a ton of money to waste on people and that sucks for you, but you're just going to have to deal with it.

 

[Hammer]

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And yet the Yankees went 9 years between championships between 2000 and 2009. That's the 3rd longest drought since 1923 for the franchise (the opening of Yankee Stadium, and besides, 87 years is plenty of history for purposes of this discussion). 1964-1976 and 1979-1996 were the others.

The Yankees acquiring top talent, whether it's via buying talent in the pre-draft years (the MLB draft began in 1965), drafting the seeds that became the 1996-2001 championship run, or the buying of talent via free agency (both in the 70's and today), is nothing new.

I'm not a Yankee fan, but it's amazing that during the time that some think is the golden era of baseball (mostly the late 40's through the mid-60's), the Yankees won the American League and played in the World Series 14 times in 16 years. From 1949 to 1964, the Yankees only missed the Series in 1954 (Indians) and 1959 (White Sox). But, of course, no one mentions that part of the story.

Again, this is nothing new. The above-mentioned championship-less periods were due solely to poor management by the Yankees. The 1964 team that got destroyed by the Cardinals was a shell of itself, with past their prime versions of Mantle and Ford, and the rest of the big bats were gone. CBS owned the franchise and was basically asleep at the wheel. There was no talent in the system to replace an aging Elston Howard (Yogi was retired), Roger Maris (don't bring me Bobby Murcer), and both Whitey and Mantle were within 4 years of their retirements.

The run in the 80's without championships was pure mismanagement by Steinbrenner. He had Guidry, Righetti, Mattingly, Winfield, Rickey Henderson for a while, and could not put the pieces together to reclaim the championship glory of the late 70's. He was too busy hiring and firing Billy Martin and his other bunch of merry retards that he had manage (Yogi is exempted here as well).

The Yankees spend. They always have. They always will. You can adjust and build your team accordingly, or you can hire an idiot like Steve Phillips and watch him make an enormous mess.

Disclaimer: I am not a Yankee fan, nor do I hate the franchise. My allegiances can be made quite clear with a simple search of this forum.