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Minnesota Gophers 2012-2013 Part II: Mmmm, Iron City Beer!

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They've also seen two teams that appeared to have all the pieces for a deep run get beat in the first round by a 15 seed. As a fan, you hate to see those opportunities squandered coz even the top programs don't get those every year.

Now in 06, they weren't gonna win anyway coz they couldn't beat us with Els. I'm not saying that to troll or be cute. That was our year. But I'm sure the fans (and the team) would have LOVED a shot at us in Milwaukee. I was thankful that they didn't get that shot. I was confident, but no need to play with fire.

This year though. This year they had it all and there wasn't/isn't another team this year with as many of the pieces. Yes, 06 was a better Gopher team, but this year was better relative to the competition.

The only thing missing this year was the drive and will to play to their ability for a full 60 on a consistent basis. Look at the 3rd period today. That's the potential that this team had and failed to live up to. Play like that right out of the gate today and Yale has no chance.

I understand why the fans are frustrated, but I think the people who want Lucia gone are misguided. Players play and coaches coach. I'm sure that the message from tDon was to come out firing, lay it all on the line, leave it all on the ice etc. Why the players failed to take that message to heart is on them.

It happens. It just means that the makeup of the room was flawed. Not every team with great assets is able to put them all together.

Burd - I don't often disagree with you, but the top programs want to see high quality hockey... that eventually leads to titles. Squandering chances to compete for titles is gonna chap people. Seeing high quality hockey is for the in-between years. This wasn't supposed to be an in-between year for the Gophers.


There's my outsider's take on Gopherdom. Maybe I'm off base, but that's how it looks from over here in deer-****ing country. :D

This is a fair assessment Gurt...good post. In terms of accountability, some seem to want to draw a circle of blame around either Lucia or the players. It's easy to overreact after a "sudden death" sting like this and call for Lucia's head or blame the players. I would draw a big circle around both. There's never only one primary source of adjustment needed in cases like this. One thing I'm sure of is the players and coaches seem honest enough to look inside themselves tonight and ask the hard questions. There are a number of negative systemic factors from both the players and coaches that affected the second half of the season and yesterday's outcome. I suspect many of these issues will be hashed and rehashed this off season, so for the moment there's no need to engage in that now.

But one thing I see happening that is counterproductive is calling for Lucia's head again. Don Lucia is most likely the Gopher head coach until he retires. Despite the early exits, tDon is an excellent coach. I also think he's honest enough to engage in some soul searching tonight and in the long days ahead to adjust and improve for next season.
 
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But one thing I see happening that is counterproductive is calling for Lucia's head again. Don Lucia is most likely the Gopher head coach until he retires. Despite the early exits, tDon is an excellent coach. I also think he's honest enough to engage in some soul searching tonight and in the long days ahead to adjust and improve for next season.
There's a very loud contingent of Minnesota sports fans, whether it be the Gophers, Vikings, Twins, or Wild, that always want the coach fired. I wouldn't worry about it (and it appears the level-headed fans aren't). Lucia is a great coach, and Minnesota should contend for the Big Ten title and national title again next year.
 
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4th youngest team in college hockey, if I heard announcers right (Minnesota).

That's correct...BC is youngest for at least the second year in a row maybe the third year in a row.
 
Re: Minnesota Gophers 2012-2013 Part II: Mmmm, Iron City Beer!

They've also seen two teams that appeared to have all the pieces for a deep run get beat in the first round by a 15 seed. As a fan, you hate to see those opportunities squandered coz even the top programs don't get those every year.

Now in 06, they weren't gonna win anyway coz they couldn't beat us with Els. I'm not saying that to troll or be cute. That was our year. But I'm sure the fans (and the team) would have LOVED a shot at us in Milwaukee. I was thankful that they didn't get that shot. I was confident, but no need to play with fire.

This year though. This year they had it all and there wasn't/isn't another team this year with as many of the pieces. Yes, 06 was a better Gopher team, but this year was better relative to the competition.

The only thing missing this year was the drive and will to play to their ability for a full 60 on a consistent basis. Look at the 3rd period today. That's the potential that this team had and failed to live up to. Play like that right out of the gate today and Yale has no chance.

I understand why the fans are frustrated, but I think the people who want Lucia gone are misguided. Players play and coaches coach. I'm sure that the message from tDon was to come out firing, lay it all on the line, leave it all on the ice etc. Why the players failed to take that message to heart is on them.

It happens. It just means that the makeup of the room was flawed. Not every team with great assets is able to put them all together.

Burd - I don't often disagree with you, but the top programs want to see high quality hockey... that eventually leads to titles. Squandering chances to compete for titles is gonna chap people. Seeing high quality hockey is for the in-between years. This wasn't supposed to be an in-between year for the Gophers.


There's my outsider's take on Gopherdom. Maybe I'm off base, but that's how it looks from over here in deer-****ing country. :D

It's all a mystery to me, but what you say makes a lot of sense Gurth. Without pics, no less.
 
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I like hating on the ECAC as much as anyone. But I think you're selling Yale short here. Yale has quietly gone about their business and stockpiled talent, doing well in recruiting the local prep circuits in the East. In 2010, Yale took down heavily favored North Dakota in the Worcester regional as you probably know. I saw Yale play at BC this year and they were not a bad team at all (though I was more impressed with Dartmouth actually, but there wasn't a huge difference).

Carmine, you have gone all soft on us! Nice assessment. Tonight is the bigger test for the conference. If Q falls, the respect will disappear. Great season Minnesota, let's hope we play each other more often in the future.
 
There's a very loud contingent of Minnesota sports fans, whether it be the Gophers, Vikings, Twins, or Wild, that always want the coach fired. I wouldn't worry about it (and it appears the level-headed fans aren't). Lucia is a great coach, and Minnesota should contend for the Big Ten title and national title again next year.
It feels weird seeing contending for a Big Ten title in print after the last WCHA season. Sad.
 
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You nailed it Gurt. I don't think I could have said it any better.
They've also seen two teams that appeared to have all the pieces for a deep run get beat in the first round by a 15 seed. As a fan, you hate to see those opportunities squandered coz even the top programs don't get those every year.

Now in 06, they weren't gonna win anyway coz they couldn't beat us with Els. I'm not saying that to troll or be cute. That was our year. But I'm sure the fans (and the team) would have LOVED a shot at us in Milwaukee. I was thankful that they didn't get that shot. I was confident, but no need to play with fire.

This year though. This year they had it all and there wasn't/isn't another team this year with as many of the pieces. Yes, 06 was a better Gopher team, but this year was better relative to the competition.

The only thing missing this year was the drive and will to play to their ability for a full 60 on a consistent basis. Look at the 3rd period today. That's the potential that this team had and failed to live up to. Play like that right out of the gate today and Yale has no chance.

I understand why the fans are frustrated, but I think the people who want Lucia gone are misguided. Players play and coaches coach. I'm sure that the message from tDon was to come out firing, lay it all on the line, leave it all on the ice etc. Why the players failed to take that message to heart is on them.

It happens. It just means that the makeup of the room was flawed. Not every team with great assets is able to put them all together.

Burd - I don't often disagree with you, but the top programs want to see high quality hockey... that eventually leads to titles. Squandering chances to compete for titles is gonna chap people. Seeing high quality hockey is for the in-between years. This wasn't supposed to be an in-between year for the Gophers.


There's my outsider's take on Gopherdom. Maybe I'm off base, but that's how it looks from over here in deer-****ing country. :D
 
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There's a very loud contingent of Minnesota sports fans, whether it be the Gophers, Vikings, Twins, or Wild, that always want the coach fired. I wouldn't worry about it (and it appears the level-headed fans aren't). Lucia is a great coach, and Minnesota should contend for the Big Ten title and national title again next year.

That's true. I know I am guilty. I admit to calling for Les Steckel's firing after the 1982 Vikings season, for Lorne Hennig's firing after the 1987 North Stars season, for Jimmy Rodgers firing after the 1992 Timberwolves season, and Tim Brewster's firing after the 2010 Gopher football season.

Lucia will remain the coach as long as he wants - agreed - with many Big Ten titles in the future, I am certain. However, the Gophers will not contend for a national title any time soon. Oh sure, they'll be a top 3 team in the pairwise, competing for a national title on paper every year. But, I don't think his teams will compete for a national title on the ice. If the last 8 seasons can't convince you of that, then you haven't been watching his teams very closely. This year they were the clear #2 team on paper. One the ice, not even in the top 8. Participation ribbons don't count as national titles, unforntunately. Great coaches that run a loaded program like Minnesota find ways to compete for national titles on the ice. Not every year, but certainly more than once every 8 years.
 
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That's correct...BC is youngest for at least the second year in a row maybe the third year in a row.

I'm not sure this is a very meaningful stat for the top programs like Minny and BC. They'll always be among the youngest teams because their quality players are good enough to leave early, and their freshmen are much more likely to be 18, since they're good enough not to need 2 or 3 seasons in juniors. Perhaps that's why Minnesota can be so frustrating to watch - the talent is obvious, but with youth comes inconsistency. The one advantage a second tier program has is that it's upperclassmen tend to be "finished products." A guy like Eriah Hayes, who's 24, clearly doesn't have the ceiling that a Bjugstad does, but you get pretty close to Hayes' best every night, while Bjugstad plays anywhere from NHL-level to "What the heck was that?" level.
But that's part of what keeps college hockey fun, isn't it?
 
Lucia will remain the coach as long as he wants - agreed - with many Big Ten titles in the future, I am certain. However, the Gophers will not contend for a national title any time soon. Oh sure, they'll be a top 3 team in the pairwise, competing for a national title on paper every year. But, I don't think his teams will compete for a national title on the ice. If the last 8 seasons can't convince you of that, then you haven't been watching his teams very closely.

I don't agree, and yet I bet I watch as closely and with as much hockey savvy as you. But at least you have tArrogance characteristic nailed.
 
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I don't agree, and yet I bet I watch as closely and with as much hockey savvy as you. But at least you have tArrogance characteristic nailed.

Don't get the arrogance comment, but whatever.

As an astute Gophers observer, please tell me when this team will play the first game of a week (regular season, playoffs, NCAA's) that is not another lackluster performance. They barely beat Bemidji in two games at home - a team they should have crushed. This team didn't even show up to play against CC (I was right there in section 122 row 12 at the X watching the team sleepwalk through the motions of another lackluster performance in the first game of the week). Reading around the blogs and newspapers today, everyone agrees the team was basically asleep for two periods against Yale. Why is that? And why has this pattern been going on for years? Nate Schmidt was quoted in the paper saying 'we didn't have everyone on all cylinders'. If this team can't get on all cylinders in the NCAA tournament, you don't apparently see that as a problem? Even an average coach can motivate his players to be on all cylinders for the NCAA tournament, but apparently Lucia didn't have his players ready. Great coach? Really? Yale was certainly on all cylinders. When exactly should MInnesota be on 'all cylinders': in October against Michigan State? In January against BC? Or in March against Yale?

You're the expert with 24,000 posts. Please explain.

Oh, I noticed North Dakota scroed a first period goal in the NCAA tournament against Yale. Apparently Hakstol knows how to get his players on 'all cylinders'.
 
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Don't get the arrogance comment, but whatever.


You're the expert with 24,000 posts. Please explain.

Oh, I noticed North Dakota scroed a first period goal in the NCAA tournament against Yale. Apparently Hakstol knows how to get his players on 'all cylinders'.

Sounds like Yale is controlling play against the Sioux.
 
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Uhhh, it's 1-0 UND with 7 minutes remaining in the second.

A little difficult for you to comprehend? Shots were 10-3 Yale in the 2nd at that time. Sioux were being out played, and only Saunders kept them ahead.
 
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Don't get the arrogance comment, but whatever.

As an astute Gophers observer, please tell me when this team will play the first game of a week (regular season, playoffs, NCAA's) that is not another lackluster performance. They barely beat Bemidji in two games at home - a team they should have crushed. This team didn't even show up to play against CC (I was right there in section 122 row 12 at the X watching the team sleepwalk through the motions of another lackluster performance in the first game of the week). Reading around the blogs and newspapers today, everyone agrees the team was basically asleep for two periods against Yale. Why is that? And why has this pattern been going on for years? Nate Schmidt was quoted in the paper saying 'we didn't have everyone on all cylinders'. If this team can't get on all cylinders in the NCAA tournament, you don't apparently see that as a problem? Even an average coach can motivate his players to be on all cylinders for the NCAA tournament, but apparently Lucia didn't have his players ready. Great coach? Really? Yale was certainly on all cylinders. When exactly should MInnesota be on 'all cylinders': in October against Michigan State? In January against BC? Or in March against Yale?

You're the expert with 24,000 posts. Please explain.

Oh, I noticed North Dakota scroed a first period goal in the NCAA tournament against Yale. Apparently Hakstol knows how to get his players on 'all cylinders'.

Well then you dont watch much college hockey then, there are ebbs and flows in most games including tne Yale Nodak game going on. Yale was dominating for a time in the 2nd period and could have scored if not for Saunders. Parity is the norm now, this isnt the 80's or 90's college hockey game where the big name teams dominated. Most any team can win on a given night.
 
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Capitalist, you're taking a small sample size to make a larger point. This team did sleep too often this year, but with one senior and very few upperclassmen I think they lack a real leader or two on the ice. Next season they could have as many as a dozen jrs/srs and that will go a long ways. Last season they won the conference, steamrolled UND in their regional and got to the FF when most would not have predicted that before the season began. This season they were co-champions with an SCSU, had a stretch of going 18-4-4 despite your insistence they were terrible including games against Denver, SCSU, Notre Dame, BC, UND and UW - all of which made the NCAA tournament. They had less than double-digit losses which happened all of five times previously going back to 1960. The black hole years have nothing to do with your argument and happens to most of the big time programs at one time or another. And clearly they have recovered from what contributed to those results. And your poster-child for gameday readiness Hak has yet to win a NC despite his teams supposedly always being ready, something Lucia has done twice and now trails Yale with less than 5 minutes to go.

I need see a far larger sample size of "failure" as in not getting to the FF consistently and winning conference titles before your argument has any merit.

Oh and in regards to your condescension, gfy.
 
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Embarrassing?!? Yale players can read, write, 'rithmetic? Used to have huge respect for "Fargo" -- go Gophers!...How can full rides in Minnesota lose to geekdom from the armpit of New England -- really, can loser Prep schools beat Minny HS hockey?!? Sad. But true.

Go Eii's!!!
 
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