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Maine Black Bears 2010-2011 - Part Deux

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Re: Maine Black Bears 2010-2011 - Part Deux

Runsub5 said:
Later in the season Maine "tanked" but still made the NCAA tournament because of those road worthy wins (bonus points). I would prefer to see a team that was improving as the season goes along be rewarded for their hard work and development. Perhaps that's why the NCAA abandoned that component at the end of that season.
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So you're a proponent of bringing back the "last 16" rule as well then? The NCAA abandoned that too. Which I am happy they did. These games all count the same whether they are played in October or March. Since a large portion of the OOC games around the country take place in the first few weekends, I really wouldn't like to see them discounted. On the flip side, "rewarding" a team that did better at the end is not fair because the scheduling is not equal for everyone, so someone with a backloaded schedule will clearly fare worse than an equal team facing an easy schedule late. Add in injuries that could happen early vs. late for various teams and you have another part that makes it somewhat unfair.

In the end, does it make sense to reward a team for failing to compete at the beginning of the season and penalize a team that does compete early on? Seems arbitrary to me... I don't think it makes much sense but... just one man's opinion.
 
Re: Maine Black Bears 2010-2011 - Part Deux

walrus said:
Are you serious? or is this a joke? Its january, Maines record and therefore standing in PWR is Maines fault, no one elses. Win games
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Are YOU serious??? After the PWR was "re-formulated" over the weekend.......Maine went from #12 to #17........this after having beat Providence and BC!!! This particular one is NOT "Maine's fault"!
 
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Nick Papagiorgio said:
The old system used some bonuses (they were kept a mystery but using data and sources I think the USCHO had it pretty much figured out) to boost a team's RPI for getting "quality wins" in non-conference games. Road wins had the highest weight, followed by neutral wins and home wins.

I liked that and think it should be brought back. It can be used to help encourage schools to schedule big games. It would basically give a team like Maine or BC (which scheduled and swept North Dakota and BC, respectively) some help in fighting a turd like this year's Yale squad (best NC opponent was Colorado College).
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Amen!!!
 
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Priceless said:
Yes, very lucky. Maine would only move up 1 spot in the PWR if bonus points were brought back. Good point.

Maine didn't drop in the rankings because they beat BC. The rankings were being configured differently, so Maine was artificially elevated before. If the same formula were applied before the Sunday games, Maine entered the game in 19th and are now tied for 16th.

The change in the formula is bothersome not because of the change itself, but the timing of said change. The NCAA has now set the precedent that any changes to the selection criteria can be done at anytime, even during the season. If a host school like UHN or a local draw like Wisconsin end up on the wrong side of the bubble, the NCAA can just tweak the formula until they get the results they want. The NCAA also quietly removed the 10 game requirement for TUC last year and kinda forgot to tell anyone. So much for transparency and simple math.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled b!tc#fest.
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Don't tell walrus that sh*t! He won't believe you.........
 
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sandiegoblkbr said:
Are YOU serious??? After the PWR was "re-formulated" over the weekend.......Maine went from #12 to #17........this after having beat Providence and BC!!! This particular one is NOT "Maine's fault"!
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The PWR didn't exist over the weekend. It doesn't exist now. It only exists on Selection Sunday.

As far as this change to the PWR that they will use on Selection Sunday is concerned, does anyone know if this was just decided upon recently or that it was decided upon in the offseason and no one noticed the change until CHN got wind of it a few days ago?
 
Re: Maine Black Bears 2010-2011 - Part Deux

sandiegoblkbr said:
Are YOU serious??? After the PWR was "re-formulated" over the weekend.......Maine went from #12 to #17........this after having beat Providence and BC!!! This particular one is NOT "Maine's fault"!
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sandiegoblkbr said:
Don't tell walrus that sh*t! He won't believe you.........
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I didn't know PWR only counted when Maine plays BC and PC. I thought it was used as a mathematical way to represent a teams whole season wins and losses.
 
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Gee golly why don't we make t shirts for back to back regular season wins after all its such a rare occurance! BC win was great Providence just typical under performance by a team led by Timmy. Can this team actualy go on the road and win 2 in a row? Doubt it but the good thing is home ice for hockey east and an NCAA at large birth are in their hands. Its going to take more than beating a poor sister like providence barley and getting one win vs a good team at home to convince me this team is playoff bound. Sorry the last 3 seasons I have seen this team nose dive with its timmid head coach down the stretch. Until they proove me wrong I am a non believer. Please proove me wrong even whitehead..........
 
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Should be a fun trip down to Boston today. Hope they make it ok
 
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walrus said:
I didn't know PWR only counted when Maine plays BC and PC. I thought it was used as a mathematical way to represent a teams whole season wins and losses.
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I didn't know that the NCAA was going to change their PWR formulas mid-season.......did you???
 
Re: Maine Black Bears 2010-2011 - Part Deux

MAINEhockeyFireWhitehead said:
Gee golly why don't we make t shirts for back to back regular season wins after all its such a rare occurance! BC win was great Providence just typical under performance by a team led by Timmy. Can this team actualy go on the road and win 2 in a row? Doubt it but the good thing is home ice for hockey east and an NCAA at large birth are in their hands. Its going to take more than beating a poor sister like providence barley and getting one win vs a good team at home to convince me this team is playoff bound. Sorry the last 3 seasons I have seen this team nose dive with its timmid head coach down the stretch. Until they proove me wrong I am a non believer. Please proove me wrong even whitehead..........
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The BIG question is.........will the NCAA decide to change their PWR calculations again if Maine sweeps another weekend series??? Only Jack Parker knows..........
 
Re: Maine Black Bears 2010-2011 - Part Deux

GoBlackBears said:
Who's out for the game tomorrow night for Maine?
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I would say they would go with the same lineup as the game against BC to get some "consistency" (as per Timmy) and try to go on a run. Tim's team depth chart is pretty well set with the exception of the goaltending situation as per his hockey east coach's interview. Why try to fix it if it ain't broke?
 
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With 13 games left in the regular season,looks like Maine is in the same boat as last year...get as many wins as possible..try to get Home Ice for the Quarter-Finals,win in the QF..go to Boston and more or less win both games in Boston to get the Auto-Bid...or sit home AGAIN and watch it on TV.
 
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Ma#1ne Hky said:
With 13 games left in the regular season,looks like Maine is in the same boat as last year...get as many wins as possible..try to get Home Ice for the Quarter-Finals,win in the QF..go to Boston and more or less win both games in Boston to get the Auto-Bid...or sit home AGAIN and watch it on TV.
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Its all the NCAAs fault
 
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