Maine Black Bears 2010-2011 - Part Deux

[Fishman'81]

Re: Maine Black Bears 2010-2011 - Part Deux

WT*?Maine gets 34 SOG and scores once,then surrenders 7 goals on 33 shots..?
(...OK,it's another screwy year all around the country,but Maine is looking predictably down again in the 2nd half so far.)

I don't know if it had an impact on the outcome of the game,but I scratched my head to see Cornell and Mangene flip-flop positions,when both seemed to be hitting their stride playing where they were.

Tim is just not getting it done.He has enough talent on hand (finally) to get back in the national picture.If he drops the ball again,he needs to step aside before Maine follows the road to irrelevance a la Lake State and Northern Michigan.We need a true steward of the program at the helm.

 

[Howitz-ah]

Re: Maine Black Bears 2010-2011 - Part Deux

Tim is just not getting it done.He has enough talent on hand (finally) to get back in the national picture.

THERE it is!

I tried to be positive. I tried, I tried, I tried.

Please remember that I previously started the thread asking: Does Tim deserve credit?!?!

A team with our talent doesn't get outshot 34-15 by anyone.
A team with our talent doesn't lose a game 7-1.
A team with our talent doesn't choke away a 2 goal lead in the last 9 minutes at home against your top rival.

We've played ONE good weekend of hockey as far as I'm concerned. Aside from that North Dakota weekend, we are 0-6-2 against Teams Under Consideration.

0-6-2

.....

A team with the talent of Nyquist, Abbott, Diamond, Flynn, Dee, O'Neill, Dimmen and House; coupled with the intensity of Mangene, Cornell, O'Connor, Anthoine and Corkum; Coupled with the smarts of Andersson and Nemec; Coupled with the heart of Shemansky and Amestoy.....with a couple of young goalies who, more nights than not, can keep their team in the game....

Teams like that do not go 0-6-2 against legit competition!!

THIS IS PATHETIC...ABSOLUTELY EMBARRASSING AND PATHETIC, TIM!!!

If this were a professional sports team with this much talent, and so many expectations performing like this, his *** would be CANNED had it not been a long time ago. I'm officially ****ED again.

HEY! Mike Cornell has been an intense, reliable defenseman leading hockey east in +/- through the 1st two months. Though, with 1 goal in 42 games played, he's shown practically nothing offensively. BETTER PLAY HIM AT FORWARD

AND HEY! Matt Mangene has been our best skater, our best forechecker, a versatile forward who is great on the PK, and he is creating a lot of scoring opportunities and getting a lot of helpers not usually found on a 3rd line. BETTER PLAY HIM ON DEFENSE WHERE HE CAN BE A -4 IN A SINGLE GAME

"Oh, I'd like to keep him on defense. It's his natural position"....got news for you, Tim. Minus a few freak games, he's been a forward this year, last year, and the year before in Manchester. If he has played defense exclusively in the past it was, at minimum, FOUR ****ing seasons ago, and against much lesser competition. He's a forward. An effective one on the 3rd line at that. Get over it, AND STOP ****ING AROUND!

Seriously?? What is Tim's mental handicap???....because if he has one, I'll lighten up.

 

[walrus]

Re: Maine Black Bears 2010-2011 - Part Deux

. Anyway this is two games in a row (UNH game, and this one) of driving home wondering if I should continue to spend money on Maine hockey.:

Same thing I'm thinking, 20 something years of following this team religously and I'm at the point of hoping Pitchers and Catchers report and I hate baseball

 

[Potato in NH]

Re: Maine Black Bears 2010-2011 - Part Deux

I could not agree more about the comments regarding Mangene. I love watching that kid forecheck and he always seems to work hard. I was dumbfounded that Timmay kept him on D especially since Cornell was available. I hope that this game serves a wake up call (I say this recognizing there have been dozens of them over the past several years) to the entire program but I do not think it will. I have tickets to the Maine/UNH game in a few weeks. I can't believe I am considering getting rid of them rather than go to the game. Last night was the first time I ever left a Maine game early. Did anyone stay until the end?

 

[rufus]

Re: Maine Black Bears 2010-2011 - Part Deux

2-4-1 in our last 7
2-5-2 against teams in the top 20 (at the time of play)
WINLESS against TUCs away from home
0-3-1 against our 3 conference rivals

We've had 1 good weekend. ONE.
5 of our 8 wins come against an opponent W/L of: 13-48-17

Wow, we can pick on bottomfeeders...aren't we something special?

Looks a lot like last season, huh, with our inspiring under .500 record getting people all excited about a national championship run.

Why is it that the longer Timid Tim avails the team of his coaching prowess, the worse they play? Start off a new season going gangbusters, full of jump, edginess and excitement, and TimiD Tim coaches it all right out of them by December.

 

[KnowItAll]

Re: Maine Black Bears 2010-2011 - Part Deux

WT*?Maine gets 34 SOG and scores once,then surrenders 7 goals on 33 shots..?
(...OK,it's another screwy year all around the country,but Maine is looking predictably down again in the 2nd half so far.).

DOn't be fooled by the number of shots, Merrimack took it to Maine the whole game.
The shots were 13-5 after 1. During the first period, Maine got only one shot even strength and had a pretty long 5 on 3 to get a few shots. Maine was not able to do a damm thing during that period.
In the second, Merrimack had a pretty comfortable lead and changed their game plan from all out aggressive forechecking and 5-Man-Bellamy to a "let Maine have the puck and shoot from the perimeters to save OUR energy" approach. This is how BC plays everybody and this is how Merrimack was able to sit back and capitalize when Maine made mistakes. I remember 2, EXACTLY 2 times Maine had the puck in close and had excellent scoring opportunities (this is not including goal mouth scrums... the kind that Cannatta does not lose... and the kind that only Diamond can score on).
As for the talent, there is some, but nothing like there was 6 years ago, NOTHING.

A few people have been pointing out the red flags, others have retorted with "look at all the frozen fours"

Grant is gone, as is the individual attention to player development, the ability to pick apart opponent weaknesses and the mental skill of focusing on a player's own positive attributes.

 

[Dirt]

Re: Maine Black Bears 2010-2011 - Part Deux

I could not agree more about the comments regarding Mangene. I love watching that kid forecheck and he always seems to work hard. I was dumbfounded that Timmay kept him on D especially since Cornell was available. I hope that this game serves a wake up call (I say this recognizing there have been dozens of them over the past several years) to the entire program but I do not think it will. I have tickets to the Maine/UNH game in a few weeks. I can't believe I am considering getting rid of them rather than go to the game. Last night was the first time I ever left a Maine game early. Did anyone stay until the end?

I stayed till the end, because it became so laughable.

 

[Ma#1ne Hky]

Re: Maine Black Bears 2010-2011 - Part Deux

WT*?Maine gets 34 SOG and scores once,then surrenders 7 goals on 33 shots..?
(...OK,it's another screwy year all around the country,but Maine is looking predictably down again in the 2nd half so far.)

I don't know if it had an impact on the outcome of the game,but I scratched my head to see Cornell and Mangene flip-flop positions,when both seemed to be hitting their stride playing where they were.

Tim is just not getting it done.He has enough talent on hand (finally) to get back in the national picture.If he drops the ball again,he needs to step aside before Maine follows the road to irrelevance a la Lake State and Northern Michigan.We need a true steward of the program at the helm.

Everyone that I talk to wonders the same...WHY..? WHY play a d-man at forward and a forward at D...confounding to say the least when both play there positons which DO HELP the team instead of making it a weak point...but TW has a 3yr extension and no worries in the world...I have been saying for years that he is the main reason that Maine has gone into the Dumper..sadly we are stuck...and in a few years a rising coaching talent will latch onto a Div.1 program: Jim Mongomery.

 

[Ma#1ne Hky]

Re: Maine Black Bears 2010-2011 - Part Deux

THERE it is!

I tried to be positive. I tried, I tried, I tried.

Please remember that I previously started the thread asking: Does Tim deserve credit?!?!

A team with our talent doesn't get outshot 34-15 by anyone.
A team with our talent doesn't lose a game 7-1.
A team with our talent doesn't choke away a 2 goal lead in the last 9 minutes at home against your top rival.

We've played ONE good weekend of hockey as far as I'm concerned. Aside from that North Dakota weekend, we are 0-6-2 against Teams Under Consideration.

0-6-2

.....

A team with the talent of Nyquist, Abbott, Diamond, Flynn, Dee, O'Neill, Dimmen and House; coupled with the intensity of Mangene, Cornell, O'Connor, Anthoine and Corkum; Coupled with the smarts of Andersson and Nemec; Coupled with the heart of Shemansky and Amestoy.....with a couple of young goalies who, more nights than not, can keep their team in the game....

Teams like that do not go 0-6-2 against legit competition!!

THIS IS PATHETIC...ABSOLUTELY EMBARRASSING AND PATHETIC, TIM!!!

If this were a professional sports team with this much talent, and so many expectations performing like this, his *** would be CANNED had it not been a long time ago. I'm officially ****ED again.

HEY! Mike Cornell has been an intense, reliable defenseman leading hockey east in +/- through the 1st two months. Though, with 1 goal in 42 games played, he's shown practically nothing offensively. BETTER PLAY HIM AT FORWARD

AND HEY! Matt Mangene has been our best skater, our best forechecker, a versatile forward who is great on the PK, and he is creating a lot of scoring opportunities and getting a lot of helpers not usually found on a 3rd line. BETTER PLAY HIM ON DEFENSE WHERE HE CAN BE A -4 IN A SINGLE GAME

"Oh, I'd like to keep him on defense. It's his natural position"....got news for you, Tim. Minus a few freak games, he's been a forward this year, last year, and the year before in Manchester. If he has played defense exclusively in the past it was, at minimum, FOUR ****ing seasons ago, and against much lesser competition. He's a forward. An effective one on the 3rd line at that. Get over it, AND STOP ****ING AROUND!

Seriously?? What is Tim's mental handicap???....because if he has one, I'll lighten up.

Well said and ALOT feel the same...some say it out loud and some just shake there heads and are losing interest fast and finding something else....sad don't you think..?

 

[Ma#1ne Hky]

Re: Maine Black Bears 2010-2011 - Part Deux

Same thing I'm thinking, 20 something years of following this team religously and I'm at the point of hoping Pitchers and Catchers report and I hate baseball

I won't BUT I should and can't blame others if they did...train-wreck thats being in progress the last 4-5 years.

 

[walrus]

Re: Maine Black Bears 2010-2011 - Part Deux

As for the talent, there is some, but nothing like there was 6 years ago, NOTHING..

I don't see the talent either, obviously there are some talented guys but not top to bottom like their used to be.

 

[carltonbarrett]

Re: Maine Black Bears 2010-2011 - Part Deux

The bottom line is that once Walsh's players, recruits, assistant coaches and even his legacy/vibe were gone, Whitehead was unable to do anything. As someone else pointed out, you're kidding yourselves if you think this team is anywhere near as talented as it was under Walsh or even when Whitehead first took over. Not even close; other than Nyquist, your best forwards now would have been 3rd liners back in the glory days.

 

[irishfan85]

Re: Maine Black Bears 2010-2011 - Part Deux

I don't see the talent either, obviously there are some talented guys but not top to bottom like their used to be.

Could not agree more. The top five forwards are good and the top two defenseman are pretty good. Besides Nyquist, Flynn, House, Dee, Diamond, Abbott, O'Neill, and Dimmen, I don't believe any of the current Black Bears would have even been in the twenty dressed in the late 90s/early 2000s.

 

[rufus]

Re: Maine Black Bears 2010-2011 - Part Deux

Seems Timid Tim misses his little Brett Tyler so much he has to try to transform Mangene into him.

Why when you have so many forwards, you need to play defensemen at forward? Why, when you've got so many d-men, you have to play forwards at defense? Jesus, his coaching decisions just boggle the mind. You want a defenseman who can carry the puck then why don't you recruit one?

This team plays soft, and needs guys to go out there, be aggressive, and hit anything that moves. That means we need guys like Beattie, Anthoine and Corkum in the lineup. But that's not the way Timid Tim coaches, so we won't see it happen.

 

[walrus]

Re: Maine Black Bears 2010-2011 - Part Deux

This team plays soft, and needs guys to go out there, be aggressive, and hit anything that moves. That means we need guys like Beattie, Anthoine and Corkum in the lineup. But that's not the way Timid Tim coaches, so we won't see it happen.

Thats the other thing, these guys don't hit a soul, IMHO its fear of getting benched. I know Corkum and Anthoine will wreck guys if given the chance.

 

[GoBlackBears]

Re: Maine Black Bears 2010-2011 - Part Deux

Thats the other thing, these guys don't hit a soul, IMHO its fear of getting benched. I know Corkum and Anthoine will wreck guys if given the chance.

They can start with the coach if they want. I wouldn't object to it that's for sure.

 

[BoSox3066]

Re: Maine Black Bears 2010-2011 - Part Deux

Talent wise it feels like a depth issue. This team's top 2 lines are as good as there's been post Walsh. No body's going to touch the 90s so don't watse your time talking about it, but really, this is a team that was winning with Ben Murphy playing second line minutes. The top 6 six this year are world's better then Murph, IMHO. It's hunger and executuon; talent wise the top six are legit. Having said that, the next two are a major drop off.They can't roll four lines and it shows

 

[Ma#1ne Hky]

Re: Maine Black Bears 2010-2011 - Part Deux

Next Sundays HOME game vs BC,has the time been changed from 4 pm to 7 pm..?

 

[KnowItAll]

Re: Maine Black Bears 2010-2011 - Part Deux

This team plays soft, and needs guys to go out there, be aggressive, and hit anything that moves. That means we need guys like Beattie, Anthoine and Corkum in the lineup. But that's not the way Timid Tim coaches, so we won't see it happen.

is O'Connor injured?
He can hit, he knows his position (unlike Mangene who allowed grade A after Grade A)

Look at the Merrimack roster, see that almost all of them are from BC and Alberta an they played juniors in good leagues. THey have ONE Monarch on the roster and he does not play.
Maine has how many Monarchs?

It is the recruiting, and the fact that the family advisors are telling the good ones NOT to waste time in a system that does not teach hockey. this is where I wish everybody's favorite poster, Hokydad were able to chime in... as much as you all hate him, he knows what is what with recruiting and why Timmy cannot get the job done.

When was the last good player recruited out of the USHL? Diamond signed in 2006 or so?

 

[Carmine Scarpaglia]

Re: Maine Black Bears 2010-2011 - Part Deux

Relax guys. You're going to beat BC next Sunday and Maine will be "back" again.