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LLWS 2011 - Nothing like watching 12 year olds sob on national TV

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This one's always fun to watch. It's pretty much the only baseball I can stomach. Although the crowds for the PA games are insane.
 
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My favorite reason why the LLWS blows is still the "uh oh, US teams aren't winning anymore, where's the MONEY going to come from?!" panic rule changes. The Taiwanese cheating was apparently our justification, but for all the reasons RB listed, everybody's cheating the same way now -- the "teams" are artificial rosters of ringers created for the express purpose of making the LLWS -- they are in no way analogous to real LL teams.

The LLWS was something special back in the 50's, but it's just another sad fraud now.
 
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The LLWS was something special back in the 50's, but it's just another sad fraud now.

Watched about a 1/3rd of the game last night...it's kinda creepy watching the reaction of the parents and others to every little event. It's like the worst of the worst: helicopter parents combined with "living vicariously through my kid" parents. ESPN's wall-to-wall coverage just amps up the creep factor, too.

I don't really put the blame on the kids for any of it, they're merely a product of the system. That said, I remember what it was like to be 13 - I can only imagine how much their egos are being knocked out of proportion by all the attention this week. To think that for many of them, their lives will have peaked at 12 or 13.
 
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I don't really put the blame on the kids for any of it, they're merely a product of the system. That said, I remember what it was like to be 13 - I can only imagine how much their egos are being knocked out of proportion by all the attention this week. To think that for many of them, their lives will have peaked at 12 or 13.

I don't blame the kids at all -- they aren't doing anything wrong, and I'm sure it's thrilling for them. But let's not pretend it's any different than the fake "amateurism" of big-time college sports. The adults -- the parents, broadcasters, sponsors and administrators -- are the creeps here.

Whom the Gods would destroy they first put on ESPN.
 
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Watched about a 1/3rd of the game last night...it's kinda creepy watching the reaction of the parents and others to every little event. It's like the worst of the worst: helicopter parents combined with "living vicariously through my kid" parents. ESPN's wall-to-wall coverage just amps up the creep factor, too.

I don't really put the blame on the kids for any of it, they're merely a product of the system. That said, I remember what it was like to be 13 - I can only imagine how much their egos are being knocked out of proportion by all the attention this week. To think that for many of them, their lives will have peaked at 12 or 13.

Not to mention the broadcasters acting like this is all they'll ever do... those kids have their whole lives ahead of them.

Or how about that one 14-year-old they tried to mask as a 12-year-old a few years back... -_-
 
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I don't blame the kids at all -- they aren't doing anything wrong, and I'm sure it's thrilling for them. But let's not pretend it's any different than the fake "amateurism" of big-time college sports. The adults -- the parents, broadcasters, sponsors and administrators -- are the creeps here.

Whom the Gods would destroy they first put on ESPN.

Oh please, can you make your pathetic, cynical point without smearing these kids as being equivalent to the criminals at Miami? "But I wasn't trying to smear the kids, I was critical of the adults." Really? "Fake amateurism"? Take a valium and change the channel. And if college sports is so corrupt, why do you post here at all? Or is the great Ag School in the Sky immune?
 
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Not to mention the broadcasters acting like this is all they'll ever do... those kids have their whole lives ahead of them.

Or how about that one 14-year-old they tried to mask as a 12-year-old a few years back... -_-

Danny Almonte. The "they" in question were the adults involved in his team, although the boy should certainly have known how old he was. That's one terrible example. His team was booted out of the series. Are there any others? And what, exactly, does one examle of cheating prove?
 
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Japan and Canada coming up.

I'm gonna go with Japan in a rout. Canada is without their best two pitchers and Japan is only in the elimination game because they had to face Mexico.
 
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Japan and Canada coming up.

I'm gonna go with Japan in a rout. Canada is without their best two pitchers and Japan is only in the elimination game because they had to face Mexico.

The all time series certainly suggests you're right. But this Japan team doesn't seem to be as loaded offensively as recent clubs. That pitcher from Mexico was bringing the gas from first pitch to last. He was in the mid 70's all night long. Very impressive.
 
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These games continue to get better and better. What an effort by Jake Fromm today from Georgia. Heck of a baseball player and it's too bad his team was eliminated but they certainly didn't go down with out a fight.

The PA team is becoming a tremendous story. Three straight wins and they only lost their first game 1-0 and that was mainly because of the dominance of McLarty on the mound for Kentucky.

32,000 people there tonight to give the PA attendance for the four games over 120,000.

I'm sure it will be packed again on Thursday when PA faces the Montana/California loser.

Tomorrow should once again be two tremendous games between Venezuela and Mexico and then Montana/California.
 
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In an uncommon (ahem) failure to communicate, I was unnecessarily tough on Kepler in an earlier post today. Let me try to 'splain where I'm coming from. Even if RaceBoarder's esoteric objections (2 5/8" circumference bats that are "detuned") and Kepler's objections to faux amateurism, overactive parents, and all the rest are valid, I still like the LLWS. To me, people who continue to protest about the various shortcomings of this event suggest to me folks who went to early screenings of "Psycho" so they could mention in a loud voice that Norman and his mother are one in the same. We aren't chumps who need smartening up (to quote Bill Fields) we just like watching these talented kids play. Watching the PA pitcher struggling to hold back his tears last night after his coach took him out to keep his pitch count low for future games was marvelous. He had a no hitter going, and any pitcher anywhere would like the chance to complete it. In this afternoon's game PA won a close one in front of a huge crowd. And as Georgia left the field, you saw the biggest boy with his arm around a smaller boy who was crying, comforting him. These are great, human moments, and I'm not too proud to say they occasionally get me misty, too. So just give us chumps a break, will ya? Let us enjoy these games in our ignorance and indifference.

I don't know if anybody keeps track, but I would bet that for the vast majority of these boys, this is their athletic high point. Most of 'em won't even be stars on their high school teams, let alone college or the minors. Let's just take these games at face value. And anyone deeply concerned about other matters should check, I believe there's a Sunny Tufts film festival on TCM.
 
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And then there's this gem... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75l8esHIqNc (turn the sound down if you're at work, or at least make sure you have headphones on)

You act like you've never heard a 12-year old swear before.

We all do things we might regret in the heat of the moment. These kids wear their emotions on their sleeves and personally I love watching it every year.
 
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Let's just take these games at face value.

Yes, I've got you on ignore, but since this isn't a politics thread, I still read it anyway.

Anyone who's ever dabbled in the athletics business will tell you it's tough to remain willfully ignorant after seeing the insanity going on around you. Personally, it's impossible for me to remain so after working in the athletics field for two years (or more, if you count work study jobs during undergraduate and law school, umpiring intramural, beer league, and the occasional youth games, and volunteering during NCAA tournament events). This wasn't SEC country either, but a private D3 school, an Ivy League school, and a Missouri Valley school.

It's almost never the athletes themselves, though certainly there are some class 'A' *****s (really? pri(c)k is an expletive?) among them (which are more amusing than anything else when they're puffing up about being a starter on a crappy D3 lacrosse team with 150 people in the stands). It's the ancillary stuff: the parents, the boosters, the alums, the upper administration, the media, etc. It's the drunken 30 year old who didn't even go to college but is ready to commit suicide and/or murder when State U loses, and throws a beer bottle at the 70-year old official scorer simply because he's wearing the striped shirt (as required). It's the guy treating his Sunday night 'C'-league game as the NHL. The assistant coach who wants everyone on the ice awarded an assist, or a goal changed a week after the fact.

In terms of little league, the system was at best politicized and at worst downright corrupt 20 years ago when I was going through it, I can only imagine how much worse it's gotten today with the increased presence of helicopter parents. The parent-coaches holding grudges and playing favorites based on house teams and travel teams. The rules-sticklers who, instead of informing the other coach of a technical rule violation in time to make it a non-issue, hold onto it until it's too late to do anything so that they win by forfeit. The "super parents" and their cousin, the "coordinated cheer" parents, who take it as a personal affront when little Johnny didn't get a home run every time up to bat. And we never even made it out of the district tournament, let alone state or regional.

What it boils down to is that if you watch it simply for the baseball, great. If you watch it because you think it's purer than college or pro sports, it probably is at some superficial level, so I won't hold that against you. But if you actually get emotionally invested in a game being played by 12-year olds, as though the team representing your state/region affects your status in life (like apparently half of Pennsylvania is doing), then you really need to take a step back. And if you think there isn't a corrupt underbelly to this, I've got a bridge to sell you. It's not IOC or FIFA levels of corruptness, but it's there.
 
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Yes, I've got you on ignore, but since this isn't a politics thread, I still read it anyway.

Anyone who's ever dabbled in the athletics business will tell you it's tough to remain willfully ignorant after seeing the insanity going on around you. Personally, it's impossible for me to remain so after working in the athletics field for two years (or more, if you count work study jobs during undergraduate and law school, umpiring intramural, beer league, and the occasional youth games, and volunteering during NCAA tournament events). This wasn't SEC country either, but a private D3 school, an Ivy League school, and a Missouri Valley school.

It's almost never the athletes themselves, though certainly there are some class 'A' *****s (really? pri(c)k is an expletive?) among them (which are more amusing than anything else when they're puffing up about being a starter on a crappy D3 lacrosse team with 150 people in the stands). It's the ancillary stuff: the parents, the boosters, the alums, the upper administration, the media, etc. It's the drunken 30 year old who didn't even go to college but is ready to commit suicide and/or murder when State U loses, and throws a beer bottle at the 70-year old official scorer simply because he's wearing the striped shirt (as required). It's the guy treating his Sunday night 'C'-league game as the NHL. The assistant coach who wants everyone on the ice awarded an assist, or a goal changed a week after the fact.

In terms of little league, the system was at best politicized and at worst downright corrupt 20 years ago when I was going through it, I can only imagine how much worse it's gotten today with the increased presence of helicopter parents. The parent-coaches holding grudges and playing favorites based on house teams and travel teams. The rules-sticklers who, instead of informing the other coach of a technical rule violation in time to make it a non-issue, hold onto it until it's too late to do anything so that they win by forfeit. The "super parents" and their cousin, the "coordinated cheer" parents, who take it as a personal affront when little Johnny didn't get a home run every time up to bat. And we never even made it out of the district tournament, let alone state or regional.

What it boils down to is that if you watch it simply for the baseball, great. If you watch it because you think it's purer than college or pro sports, it probably is at some superficial level, so I won't hold that against you. But if you actually get emotionally invested in a game being played by 12-year olds, as though the team representing your state/region affects your status in life (like apparently half of Pennsylvania is doing), then you really need to take a step back. And if you think there isn't a corrupt underbelly to this, I've got a bridge to sell you. It's not IOC or FIFA levels of corruptness, but it's there.

Feel better now?
 
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You act like you've never heard a 12-year old swear before.

We all do things we might regret in the heat of the moment. These kids wear their emotions on their sleeves and personally I love watching it every year.

Is it supposed to be a great revelation that 12 and 13 year old boys use bad language, whether they play little league or not? I ask again, what exactly is the point here? Remember the scene in "Christmas Story" where Ralphie uses the "F-dash-dash-dash" word and his mother wants to know where he heard it. He couldn't tell her his father used the word every single day, so he blurts out the name "Schwartz."

I'm guessing FlagDude thought he was making some profound point. Instead, he just stepped on his Johnson.
 
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Not sure about the traveling team bit. I know East Tonka doesn't use a traveling team now for it's LL entry and that includes the years they actually made the LLWS.
 
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Not sure about the traveling team bit. I know East Tonka doesn't use a traveling team now for it's LL entry and that includes the years they actually made the LLWS.

Anyone is free to like or not like, watch or not watch as they see fit. But for those who seem to have an obsession about the LLWS, and are anxious for everyone to know the "truth," some Texas advice: don't sh*t in our chili.
 
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We might have found our answer tonight about California. Montana is the only unbeaten American team left.
 
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