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Incredibly Dull Boring 2022 Pairwise and Tournament Possibilites Thread

In fact I would consider all permanent spots if that is the best "neutral" ice situation. Denver and UND are almost always in tournament. Let Loveland and Fargo host every year for all I care.

Worcester
Loveland
Fargo/Sioux Falls
Manchester/Providence/Bridgeport

Everyone else need not apply. Albany can take a hike with the arena they barely play any hockey in. Allentown and Penn State can go screw too.
 
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J.D. said:
In fact I would consider all permanent spots if that is the best "neutral" ice situation. Denver and UND are almost always in tournament. Let Loveland and Fargo host every year for all I care.

Worcester
Loveland
Fargo/Sioux Falls
Manchester/Providence/Bridgeport

Everyone else need not apply. Albany can take a hike with the arena they barely play any hockey in. Allentown and Penn State can go screw too.
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I think the B1G would have issues with that.
 
John J. MacInnes said:
There are four places in Michigan that could be a host, but only two are really viable. The Dow Events Center in Saginaw and the Mercy Health Arena in Muskegon would be a tough sell, especially without any real host school in close proximity and their limited capacity.

USA Hockey Arena in Plymouth intrigues me. The former Compuware Arena is just 16 miles from Ann Arbor and on the fringe of metro Detroit. It has plenty of locker room space, a second ice sheet, and holds just about 3500 so it's going to look full. There is a hotel right in the parking lot and lots of lodging options within 10 minutes, and it's only about a 20 minute drive to Detroit Metro Airport.

But the best option is one that I'm not sure has ever been approached.

Wings Event Center in Kalamazoo holds over 5,000 as the home of the minor league Kalamazoo K-Wings. It also has a second sheet, three hotels in direct proximity, a natural host school in Western Michigan, easy access from Detroit and Chicago, an airport with connections to ORD-MSP-DTW, and it's less than a 3 hour drive from nine D-1 schools.
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Last time I was at Wings event center was 1997 and it was, if I may, a dump then. I don't think it's been upgraded. Unfortunately as well it isn't really in any part of Kalamazoo that is very desirable. On the fringes of a small industrial park area. Fort Wayne's Coliseum is a fantastic venue as well.
 
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MichVandal said:
I think the B1G would have issues with that.
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J.D. said:
New England has claimed PA? Can we drop CT?
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Considering that Allentown is 8 hours from U of Maine- and 6 from Columbus- which is the next closest B1G team next to PSU- the entire hockey east, ECAC, and most of Atlantic hockey is closer than most of the B1G. Maine is the only school farther than OSU, and of course AF is farther than the B1G.

I would not put PA in New England, I certainly would not think Allentown is anywhere near the mid-west- it's very much east coast.
 
The big winner in the opening round was the pairwise. Seven of the top eight won, and the only loss was #7 losing to #9.
 
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Sean Pickett said:
And how many regionals has the B1G hosted or co-hosted? Not B1G schools, the B1G itself.
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MichVandal said:
Why does that matter?
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Because the host institution has to put up the $150,000 guarantee that the NCAA demands upfront. If the B1G is unwilling to put up the money under the current requirements then the B1G really has no grounds to complain. North Dakota hosted a regional for 3 straight years and 5 of 7 years (2015, 2017-2019, 2021). Worcester has hosted every other year, first with BU as host and currently with and Holy Cross as host. New Hampshire has hosted every other year since 2007.

MichVandal said:
I can't see teams like Tech, Northern, Lake State, Western, BGSU, and Miami exactly happy , that their fans would have to travel so far for regional game every single year.
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Well, then they can submit bids to host as Western, Tech and Miami have done in the past.

However from what it appears that most western schools no longer have an interest in hosting, so again, they really have no grounds to complain if North Dakota becomes an annual western host. It remains to be seen if Denver will want to remain an annual host.

As for the east, this year's attendance and cloak/light syncing issue may put an end to seeing them host for a while.

Sean
 
Sean Pickett said:
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Because the host institution has to put up the $150,000 guarantee that the NCAA demands upfront. If the B1G is unwilling to put up the money under the current requirements then the B1G really has no grounds to complain. North Dakota hosted a regional for 3 straight years and 5 of 7 years (2015, 2017-2019, 2021). Worcester has hosted every other year, first with BU as host and currently with and Holy Cross as host. New Hampshire has hosted every other year since 2007.

Well, then they can submit bids to host as Western, Tech and Miami have done in the past.

However from what it appears that most western schools no longer have an interest in hosting, so again, they really have no grounds to complain if North Dakota becomes an annual western host. It remains to be seen if Denver will want to remain an annual host.

As for the east, this year's attendance and cloak/light syncing issue may put an end to seeing them host for a while.

Sean
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The hypocrisy on this thread is thick- as it's automatically bad that Michigan hints at hosting at Yost, but it's also automatically ok that ND hosts, and get's home ice advantage, because they want to. When Michigan did host, the whining was endless, but ND hosting is just fine.

Just because it's not on their home ice doesn't mean it's not an advantage.

IMHO, no single site should have a monopoly. If they are the only ones bidding, that's one thing, but if it's made permanent for "reasons", that's another.

BTW, Penn State was a host in 2018, 2019 and 2020, Minnesota in 2014 and 2016, Notre Dame in 2015, and Michigan in 2014. So spare me the crap that the B1G teams don't host. The only one of those that wasn't actually an active B1G team was Notre Dame, since they were added in 2016. Take out that, and there was a B1G host 6 of the seasons the B1G existed, and the first season was '13-'14. That's 6 out of 9 tournaments.

Bash on the B1G all you want, but as I looked back, the NCHC conference didn't host a single regional, either. Teams did, just like the B1G.
 
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Sean Pickett said:
According to the game summary Loveland attendance was 3,138, which is fourth worst behind Grand Rapids in 2013, Albany this year and Toledo in 2013. Those 2013 semifinals had the worst first day attendance of just 19,579, saved by Providence and Manchester. I'm not sure Allentown will help save this year's attendance, but Worcester may have good attendance.
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Allentown reported the worst first day attendance of 2,155 out of 90 regionals and Worcester reported its second worst attendance out of the ten times it has held a regional. The first day combined attendance was just 13,640 (44% at Worcester), just under 6,000 less than 2013's 19,579.

Looking at the first day attendance figures, 7 of the top 10 were on Saturday, and 12 of the top 14 had a host team play. Of the bottom 10, four first days were on Friday and two were on Thursday. Furthermore, of the 26 lowest attended first days only one had a host team play.

Sean
 
MichVandal said:
The hypocrisy on this thread is thick- as it's automatically bad that Michigan hints at hosting at Yost, but it's also automatically ok that ND hosts, and get's home ice advantage, because they want to. When Michigan did host, the whining was endless, but ND hosting is just fine.
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I think it's pretty clear. People hate Michigan and love North Dakota. : p

Also, there is a huge and obvious difference between Michigan hosting at Yost and North Dakota hosting at Fargo or Sioux Falls.
 
MichVandal said:
Ok, then much of the CCHA and some of the NCHC would have problems, too. Geez.

I can't see teams like Tech, Northern, Lake State, Western, BGSU, and Miami exactly happy that their fans would have to travel so far for regional game every single year.
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Then bid to host.

This is the format the NCAA has chosen. It is easily the most lucrative format for the NCAA. It's also fairer than allowing a lesser seed playing host in their own building.
 
ticapnews said:
Then bid to host.

This is the format the NCAA has chosen. It is easily the most lucrative format for the NCAA. It's also fairer than allowing a lesser seed playing host in their own building.
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We have. Duh. Just like many of the other B1G teams have. How is it that people don't know that? And we have even in the CCHA post home ice.

So I really don't understand that concept of permanent hosts.
 
MichVandal said:
Given what is in North Dakota, not really.
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Have you been to Ann Arbor? It's not called the cesspool of the West for nothing.

At least North Dakotans are smart enough to realize there is nothing else going on, so might as well check out a hockey game...even if it means traveling out of state. ; p
 
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