The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
UND bid ... with REA as the site: They rolled the dice hoping for the same "only bid" that got Notre Dame at Compton Ice Arena a couple years back.
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Incredibly Dull Boring 2022 Pairwise and Tournament Possibilites Thread
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UND bid ... with REA as the site: They rolled the dice hoping for the same "only bid" that got Notre Dame at Compton Ice Arena a couple years back.
The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
I believe it's the same ratio that turns a kerfuffle into a donnybrook.
And it always sucks in Albany, armpit of the known universe (and I lived in the CapDist for a while so this isn't speculation).
Darius
Go 'cats!
NCAA hockey needs what NCAA softball has: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_Softball_Hall_of_Fame_Stadium
John J. MacInnes
Coach Emeritus
And if you were to double the games at a site and only play 2 a day, you're up to at least 5 active days with a 6th for setup and possibly a 7th for teardown.
I completely do not understand your idea here. To wit: Imagine this at Sheels in Fargo:
Thurs: Western Regional Semi's
Fri: Midwestern Regional Semi's
Sat: 1:00 Local time...Western Regional Final
Sat: 7:00 Local time...Midwestern Regional Final
manurespreader
Still upright
If you have two hours I can tell you. It's been beat to death though.
John J. MacInnes
Coach Emeritus
Because each team also is guaranteed a full practice the day before a game, and also a pregame skate the day of a game. Those have to be on the rink you're playing the game on, so the second sheet doesn't help.
So Tuesday is your set day.
Wednesday would have 4 practice sessions.
Thursday would have to have 4 practice sessions, 4 skatearounds, and two games.
Friday two practices, 4 skatearounds and two games.
Saturday just 4 skatearounds and two games.
Sunday would reset the building.
Unless you have 8 dedicated locker rooms, you're going to then ask teams to constantly shuttle in and out. None of this is viable.
Sean Pickett
2009 NCAA Champions
I doubt that because of the limited attendance last year. From the official figures published by the NCAA in their Men's Attendance Records and Sites the total attendance in 2021 for each regional:
[TABLE="width: 603"]
[TR]
[TD]2021 Regionals[/TD]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD="class: xl63"] [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]Albany, N.Y.[/TD]
[TD]Times Union Center[/TD]
[TD="class: xl63, align: right"]2,272[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]Bridgeport, Conn.[/TD]
[TD]Webster Bank Arena[/TD]
[TD="class: xl63, align: right"]100[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]Fargo, N.D.[/TD]
[TD]Scheels Arena[/TD]
[TD="class: xl63, align: right"]2,929[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]Loveland, Colo.[/TD]
[TD]Budweiser Events Center[/TD]
[TD="class: xl63, align: right"]300[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]All Regionals[/TD]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD="class: xl63, align: right"]5,601[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
However, you probably meant pre-COVID, when 2008 had the lowest total attendance:
[TABLE="width: 603"]
[TR]
[TD]2008 Regionals[/TD]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"] [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]East[/TD]
[TD]Albany, N.Y.[/TD]
[TD]Times Union Center[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]8,395[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Northeast[/TD]
[TD]Worcester, Mass.[/TD]
[TD]DCU Center[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]8,269[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Midwest[/TD]
[TD]Madison, Wis.[/TD]
[TD]Kohl Center[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]11,011[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]West[/TD]
[TD]Colorado Springs, Colo.[/TD]
[TD]Colorado Springs World Arena[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]5,810[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]All Regionals[/TD]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]33,485[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
The following year, 2009, had the highest total attendance:
[TABLE="width: 603"]
[TR]
[TD]2009 Regionals[/TD]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"] [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]East[/TD]
[TD]Bridgeport, Conn.[/TD]
[TD]Arena at Harbor Yard†[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]25,434[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Northeast[/TD]
[TD]Manchester, N.H.[/TD]
[TD]Verizon Wireless Arena&[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]21,629[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Midwest[/TD]
[TD]Grand Rapids, Mich.[/TD]
[TD]Van Andel Arena[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]11,274[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]West[/TD]
[TD]Minneapolis, Minn.[/TD]
[TD]Mariucci Arena[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]21,928[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]All Regionals[/TD]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]80,265[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
The single highest regional attendance was in 2012:
[TABLE="width: 589"]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl66"]2012[/TD]
[TD]West[/TD]
[TD]St. Paul, Minn.[/TD]
[TD]Xcel Energy Center[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]29,746[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
The single lowest pre-CVID regional attendance was in 2008:
[TABLE="width: 589"]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl66"]2008[/TD]
[TD]West[/TD]
[TD]Colorado Springs, Colo.[/TD]
[TD]Colorado Springs World Arena[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]5,810[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
Average total annual attendance by location pre-COVID:
[TABLE="width: 589"]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl66"] [/TD]
[TD]1 Time[/TD]
[TD]Grand Forks, N.D.[/TD]
[TD]Ralph Englestad Arena[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]22,645[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl66"] [/TD]
[TD]3 Times[/TD]
[TD]Minneapolis, Minn.[/TD]
[TD]Mariucci Arena[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]19,865[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl66"] [/TD]
[TD]4 Times[/TD]
[TD]St. Paul, Minn.[/TD]
[TD]Xcel Energy Center[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]19,335[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl66"] [/TD]
[TD]5 Times[/TD]
[TD]Bridgeport, Conn.[/TD]
[TD]Webster Bank Arena at Harbor Yard[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]17,569[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl66"] [/TD]
[TD]1 Time[/TD]
[TD]Toledo, Ohio[/TD]
[TD]Huntington Center[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]16,406[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl66"] [/TD]
[TD]1 Time[/TD]
[TD]Sioux Falls, S.D.[/TD]
[TD]Denny Sanford PREMIER Center[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]16,007[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl66"] [/TD]
[TD]8 Times[/TD]
[TD]Manchester, N.H.[/TD]
[TD]Verizon Wireless/SNHU Arena[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]15,952[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl66"] [/TD]
[TD]1 Time[/TD]
[TD]St. Louis, Mo.[/TD]
[TD]Scottrade Center[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]15,125[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl66"] [/TD]
[TD]9 Times[/TD]
[TD]Worcester, Mass.[/TD]
[TD]Worcester’s Centrum/DCU Center[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]14,435[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl66"] [/TD]
[TD]3 Times[/TD]
[TD]Green Bay, Wis.[/TD]
[TD]Resch Center[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]12,864[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl66"] [/TD]
[TD]5 Times[/TD]
[TD]Providence, R.I.[/TD]
[TD]Dunkin’ Donuts Center[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]11,676[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl66"] [/TD]
[TD]1 Time[/TD]
[TD]Fort Wayne, Ind.[/TD]
[TD]Allen County War Memorial Coliseum[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]11,470[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl66"] [/TD]
[TD]1 Time[/TD]
[TD]Madison, Wis.[/TD]
[TD]Kohl Center[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]11,011[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl66"] [/TD]
[TD]1 Time[/TD]
[TD]Ann Arbor, Mich.[/TD]
[TD]Yost Ice Arena[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]10,743[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl66"] [/TD]
[TD]2 Times[/TD]
[TD]Allentown, Pa.[/TD]
[TD]PPL Center[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]9,970[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl66"] [/TD]
[TD]3 Times[/TD]
[TD]Fargo, N.D.[/TD]
[TD]Scheels Arena[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]9,851[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl66"] [/TD]
[TD]5 Times[/TD]
[TD]Albany, N.Y.[/TD]
[TD]Pepsi Arena/Times Union Center[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]9,763[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl66"] [/TD]
[TD]3 Times[/TD]
[TD]Cincinnati, Oh.[/TD]
[TD]U.S. Bank Arena[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]9,632[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl66"] [/TD]
[TD]5 Times[/TD]
[TD]Grand Rapids, Mich.[/TD]
[TD]Van Andel Arena[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]9,284[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl66"] [/TD]
[TD]1 Time[/TD]
[TD]South Bend, Ind.[/TD]
[TD]Compton Family Ice Arena[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]7,833[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl66"] [/TD]
[TD]1 Time[/TD]
[TD]Rochester, N.Y.[/TD]
[TD]Blue Cross Arena[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]7,774[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl66"] [/TD]
[TD]1 Time[/TD]
[TD]Amherst, Mass.[/TD]
[TD]Mullins Center[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]7,063[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl66"] [/TD]
[TD]2 Times[/TD]
[TD]Colorado Springs, Colo.[/TD]
[TD]Colorado Springs World Arena[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]5,889[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
I'm sure some here will say that these figures are wrong, but they are the official figures and all I can go by.
Sean
ticapnews
Never Forget!
Imagine Arizona State getting a 1 seed and hosting in the cavernous 747 seat Oceanside Arena. Or Fairbanks hosting a regional. That would be a gong show.
See my previous post. There would still have to be an agreed upon set of rules for anyone wishing to host. Obviously not a perfect situation but the college baseball model seems to work!
SCSU BlackandRed
New member
Read through requirements for hosting, didn’t see 2 rinks as a requirement. Just 2 ice resurfacers. And to an earlier post, St Cloud’s rink is on campus.
In the bigger discussion, current regional set up is garbage for the fans and is definitely not a championship environment for the teams as a result. Absolutely sucks that the big show can’t come anywhere near the atmosphere of conference tournaments.
In the bigger discussion, current regional set up is garbage for the fans and is definitely not a championship environment for the teams as a result. Absolutely sucks that the big show can’t come anywhere near the atmosphere of conference tournaments.
Fishman'81
Black Bear since D-2
Not disputing your numbers, but it sure matters if a (somewhat) local fan-base can drive there.
Allentown was a disaster in the making right from the get-go.
manurespreader
Still upright
I've been to a few regionals and often the atmosphere is good for the closest team. For instance in Cincy, PSU had a great turnout and their games had good atmosphere whereas Denver had a terrible turnout and there was little atmosphere for them. The same thing would happen on campus. If WMU for instance, or Ferris State, or Union, or Clarkson, hosted, then the atmosphere would be great if they played but lousy for everyone else. So yeah, you could get it a bit better on campus, but total attendance would be down and it's not a panacea . Disregarding all the issues previously pointed out.
Considering them and considering that more than half of college hockey couldn't come up with a way to host that worked, then you have what we have. Also, ad in that a lot of college hockey teams have terrible atmosphere as a matter of course.
Now Mel Pearson came out in favor of campus sites recently for 1 reason and 1 reason only. It gives his team an edge.
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Lost_Husky
Late to the Party
It seems like the "perfect" formula is a regional in/around Minnesota, Michigan, and two eastern locations. Each state has the most number of teams with 3+ conferences within that footprint and hockey is popular there to pick up a number of people who like hockey. That would make the Denver, Wisconsin, PSU, and Miami fans upset.
I don't have a problem with Loveland having a regional. I could change my mind if there is a dismal turnout with a great Denver team playing in it though. Curious to see how that one goes. Denver is usually in the tournament so this is their chance to show hosting was the right move. Other programs can get upset but if you're not putting in the work to try and host a regional, too bad.
Just went through the process of pretending like I was buying a ticket to Worcester...not a single word on whether you can leave the arena or not. So I called DCU Center (can't remember last time I called a ticket office but here we are). To my surprise I got through to a human being and to further my surprise they knew exactly what I was talking about. They did confirm that while their normal policy is to not allow readmittance to the arena, because the games are so spaced out they ARE allowing you to leave and then come back.
So while I am happy to hear that, why again are sites going to want to bid if everyone who is there bolts in between games and then comes back? Good luck to DCU concessions.
So while I am happy to hear that, why again are sites going to want to bid if everyone who is there bolts in between games and then comes back? Good luck to DCU concessions.
Now I know most of the eastern schools in the tournament are in the 3rd and 4th bands but it would be nice to have a Massachusetts representative in the Frozen 4 in Boston. 5 of the 16 schools are from Massachusetts while much of the conversation I've heard is about how many Minnesota schools are in it(4). Michigan is well represented as well with 3.