Re: Hockey East Tourney Thread - 2010
What a difference a win over UNH makes, eh?
What a difference a win over UNH makes, eh?
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Hockey East Tourney Thread - 2010
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Re: Hockey East Tourney Thread - 2010
Hardly.
UNH is 5th in the PWR the last time I checked, and they can't fall below that to be ensured of a spot.
This, more than any other year, is where we could see teams outside the Top 8 PWR win conference autobids. After all, both Cornell and PC, regular season champs, are outside of the Top 8.
Hardly.
UNH is 5th in the PWR the last time I checked, and they can't fall below that to be ensured of a spot.
This, more than any other year, is where we could see teams outside the Top 8 PWR win conference autobids. After all, both Cornell and PC, regular season champs, are outside of the Top 8.
Re: Hockey East Tourney Thread - 2010
First of all, never in HEAs history has there been as much parity as there has been this year. UNH and PC were always several steps ahead of the rest of the league. Therefore it's not unusual, given those circumstances, that the team which had excelled all year might win the tourney as well.
This year, however, I don't think it is quite so clear cut. PC never demonstrated that they were clearly above the rest of the league, and so I don't think it's as simple as to guess they'll win the tourney because they won the regular season.
This season we must also consider the impact of the shootouts.
While shootouts were in place last year as well, they actually did not affect the final standings. The final standings and seedings for the tourney would have remained unchanged.
DO NOT MISUNDERSTAND ME.
I am NOT complaining that UNH didn't win the regular season title because of the shootouts.
My point is that the shootouts had a big effect on the standings, but are not necessarily an indication of the relative quality of each team. It is, after all, an individual exhibition that awarded arbitrary points that are not based upon the team's performance.
In fact, the seedings would have looked much different (with no tiebreakers). UNH and PC would still have the byes but would be reversed. UConn would be #3 instead of #5. BU would be #4 instead of #3. And NU would be #5 instead of #4.
So the arbitrary points awarded for shootouts certainly impacted not only the seedings, but indeed the regular season title itself.
Once again, I think it's hard to draw any correlation between the regular season champion and their chances in the tourney when you consider this point.
I think there are only two things that we can really give PC when considering their tourney chances as a result of being the regular season champs:
1. Home Ice
2. Facing the lowest remaining seed in the Semis
First of all, never in HEAs history has there been as much parity as there has been this year. UNH and PC were always several steps ahead of the rest of the league. Therefore it's not unusual, given those circumstances, that the team which had excelled all year might win the tourney as well.
This year, however, I don't think it is quite so clear cut. PC never demonstrated that they were clearly above the rest of the league, and so I don't think it's as simple as to guess they'll win the tourney because they won the regular season.
This season we must also consider the impact of the shootouts.
While shootouts were in place last year as well, they actually did not affect the final standings. The final standings and seedings for the tourney would have remained unchanged.
DO NOT MISUNDERSTAND ME.
I am NOT complaining that UNH didn't win the regular season title because of the shootouts.
My point is that the shootouts had a big effect on the standings, but are not necessarily an indication of the relative quality of each team. It is, after all, an individual exhibition that awarded arbitrary points that are not based upon the team's performance.
In fact, the seedings would have looked much different (with no tiebreakers). UNH and PC would still have the byes but would be reversed. UConn would be #3 instead of #5. BU would be #4 instead of #3. And NU would be #5 instead of #4.
So the arbitrary points awarded for shootouts certainly impacted not only the seedings, but indeed the regular season title itself.
Once again, I think it's hard to draw any correlation between the regular season champion and their chances in the tourney when you consider this point.
I think there are only two things that we can really give PC when considering their tourney chances as a result of being the regular season champs:
1. Home Ice
2. Facing the lowest remaining seed in the Semis
TonyTheTiger20
#SOAR
Re: Hockey East Tourney Thread - 2010
Nonbelievers in BC.
It was more finally seeing us play good hockey. I was thrilled to beat UNH (I was more pumped about that win than any other regular season win in my entire 4 years of watching) but it was more seeing them play a completely different style of hockey that was effective that made me more optimistic about the playoffs.
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Yes, I know.
The "confused" smiley was in regards to that quote, in relation to the Beanpot quote, and then commenting about the apparent effect beating UNH had on your disposition.
Yes, I know.
The "confused" smiley was in regards to that quote, in relation to the Beanpot quote, and then commenting about the apparent effect beating UNH had on your disposition.
TonyTheTiger20
#SOAR
Re: Hockey East Tourney Thread - 2010
Well, geez, at the time we hadn't won a game in two months. There's going to be a bit of a difference in disposition after we outplay the 4th best team in the country on their own ice.
Re: Hockey East Tourney Thread - 2010
I suppose this makes sense in the context of BCs season this year. But for the entire four years?
He**, I would've thought that among just games vs UNH it would rank behind the 7-2 win in 06-07. That was UNHs only loss in Hockey East that year. And although UNH didn't make the Frozen Four that year (while BC did), this year's Wildcat team has not been nearly as dominant as that edition.
I suppose this makes sense in the context of BCs season this year. But for the entire four years?
He**, I would've thought that among just games vs UNH it would rank behind the 7-2 win in 06-07. That was UNHs only loss in Hockey East that year. And although UNH didn't make the Frozen Four that year (while BC did), this year's Wildcat team has not been nearly as dominant as that edition.
TonyTheTiger20
#SOAR
Re: Hockey East Tourney Thread - 2010
I can't think of any regular season games that meant more to me than beating UNH in Durham. I lost track of how many times I went up there leaving depressed or p!$$ed off. It became a personal thing. I just wanted to see us win up there. Just once.
Winning up there was so, so, so sweet. And the last time I'll ever be there as a student to boot (er, for women's)
I didn't see that game. And beating UNH @ UNH still would have been way more awesome to me.
I can't think of any regular season games that meant more to me than beating UNH in Durham. I lost track of how many times I went up there leaving depressed or p!$$ed off. It became a personal thing. I just wanted to see us win up there. Just once.
Winning up there was so, so, so sweet. And the last time I'll ever be there as a student to boot (er, for women's)
Re: Hockey East Tourney Thread - 2010
6 times...at best.
Good thing you're not a PC fan. Before this year, they hadn't won at the Whitt since 1997..............true story.
6 times...at best.
Good thing you're not a PC fan. Before this year, they hadn't won at the Whitt since 1997..............true story.
scrambledlegs
Registered User
Re: Hockey East Tourney Thread - 2010
While I know that you are just trying to make your point (I think it is that you don't like shootouts but I am not good at reading between the lines
), however, I have a few points to make myself.
1) The rules that the coaches voted on was that ties would go into shootouts, with the SO winners getting an extra point. Therefore, shootout wins are part of the standings and as such, PC deserves to be in first place.
2) If you don't want the season to come out to this mathematical calculation, then win outright. Putting together the stats, it became clear to me that UNH lost 2 more games this year than the last 4 years combined (and I believe three were to PC), so to blame it all on SOs is a little bit of a stretch.
3) PC did lose fewer games than UNH so it still would have been close, meaning that UNH would not have been the overwhelming 1st place winner that is being portrayed. They would have had 1 point on PC.
3) Well, duh.. that's what top seed means. However, as I stated, I think this years tourney will be the most tightly contested tournament to date. Yay, Hockey East!!!
While I know that you are just trying to make your point (I think it is that you don't like shootouts but I am not good at reading between the lines
), however, I have a few points to make myself. 1) The rules that the coaches voted on was that ties would go into shootouts, with the SO winners getting an extra point. Therefore, shootout wins are part of the standings and as such, PC deserves to be in first place.
2) If you don't want the season to come out to this mathematical calculation, then win outright. Putting together the stats, it became clear to me that UNH lost 2 more games this year than the last 4 years combined (and I believe three were to PC), so to blame it all on SOs is a little bit of a stretch.
3) PC did lose fewer games than UNH so it still would have been close, meaning that UNH would not have been the overwhelming 1st place winner that is being portrayed. They would have had 1 point on PC.
3) Well, duh.. that's what top seed means. However, as I stated, I think this years tourney will be the most tightly contested tournament to date. Yay, Hockey East!!!
scrambledlegs
Registered User
Re: Hockey East Tourney Thread - 2010
I thought this was another "slanted statistic" so I looked it up.
I thought this was another "slanted statistic" so I looked it up.
unhpuckfan2001
Local Fire Extinguisher
Re: Hockey East Tourney Thread - 2010
Just a clerical point; the auto bid is awarded to the conference winner, and there is no way I think UNH has that wrapped (I wish). "At large" bids are given to teams, usually PWR is the indicator, who may not have won their conference tournaments, but have a high enough PWR to make it (see UNH Men: last 'auto bid' was in 2003, when they last won HE). But that's why on the men's side, you normally have to be in the top 14 to make it; two weak leagues get the autobids, despite the fact they're normally outside the PWR 'bubble' (this year, Bemidji State's in either way).
I had to read your post post a couple times before I got it, based on that one word slip up, so I figured I'd mention it . . .
Also, I agree with cheering for a team who otherwise won't make the NCAAs to win the conference tournament, such as Lowell last year in the men's game against BU; if the 'favorite' will make it to the NCAAs either way, let's get another Hockey East school in
Just a clerical point; the auto bid is awarded to the conference winner, and there is no way I think UNH has that wrapped (I wish). "At large" bids are given to teams, usually PWR is the indicator, who may not have won their conference tournaments, but have a high enough PWR to make it (see UNH Men: last 'auto bid' was in 2003, when they last won HE). But that's why on the men's side, you normally have to be in the top 14 to make it; two weak leagues get the autobids, despite the fact they're normally outside the PWR 'bubble' (this year, Bemidji State's in either way).
I had to read your post post a couple times before I got it, based on that one word slip up, so I figured I'd mention it . . .
Also, I agree with cheering for a team who otherwise won't make the NCAAs to win the conference tournament, such as Lowell last year in the men's game against BU; if the 'favorite' will make it to the NCAAs either way, let's get another Hockey East school in
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Okay, it's a new day, and after good night's sleep, I can conquer the columns
2009 - 2010 Conference Team Stats
Scoring Offense .........Games....... Goals .......G/GM
1 New Hampshire .................. 21........... 65.......... 3.10
2 Providence........................ .21............59...........2.81
3 Boston University................ 21........... 54.......... 2.57
4 Connecticut...................... 21........... 46 ..........2.19
5 Northeastern..................... 21........... 45.......... 2.14
6 Boston College................... 21........... 41.......... 1.95
7 Vermont........................... 21........... 26...........1.24
8 Maine.............................. 21............ 24.......... 1.14
Scoring Defense........Games........ Goals........ G/GM
1 Connecticut.................... 21............. 33........... 1.57
2 Northeastern................... 21............. 34........... 1.62
3 Boston University.............. 21..............41........... 1.95
New Hampshire.................. 21.............41 ............1.95
5 Providence...................... 21............ 44............ 2.10
6 Boston College................. 21............ 54............ 2.57
7 Vermont...........................21............. 55........... 2.62
8 Maine............................ 21............. 58............ 2.76
Penalty Minutes .......Games......... PIM........... PIM/G
1 Maine............................ 21.............265............ 12.6
2 Boston College................ 21.............255 ............12.1
3 Vermont..........................21............ 240............. 11.4
4 Providence ..................... 21.............235............ 11.2
5 Boston University............. 21............ 232.............11.0
6 Connecticut ................... 21........... .229 ............10.9
7 New Hampshire ............... 21............ 206 ..............9.8
8 Northeastern.................. 21 ............199 ..............9.5
Power Play ............Totals ..........SHA .............PP %
1 New Hampshire............ 21 / 89 ...........1.............. 23.6
2 Providence................ 17 / 100............0.............. 17.0
3 Boston University......... 14 / 92............ 0.............. 15.2
4 Connecticut............... 14 / 100 ..........0 ..............14.0
5 Boston College............ 13 / 102 ..........0.............. 12.7
6 Northeastern.............. 10 / 87............ 2.............. 11.5
7 Vermont .................... 13 / 116 ..........3............... 11.2
8 Maine ....................... 11 / 108 ...........5 ..............10.2
Penalty Kill ...........Totals............ SHF............. PK %
1 New Hampshire.......... 85 / 94............. 2................90.4
2 Northeastern............. 74 / 84............. 1............... 88.1
3 Connecticut.............. 85 / 97............. 3 ...............87.6
4 Boston University........ 87 / 101............3................ 86.1
5 Maine...................... 99 / 115 ............0................ 86.1
6 Vermont.................. 78 / 93.............. 0................ 83.9
7 Boston College.......... 93 / 112............ 1 ................83.0
8 Providence............... 80 / 98..............1................. 81.6
Special Teams Net..... PPF..... SHA.... PP.... PPA.... SHF.... SH.... NET
1 New Hampshire................ 21........ 1 ....+20 .....9 ........2...... -7.... +13
2 Connecticut .................... 14........ 0.... +14.... 12........ 3..... -9...... +5
3 Boston University.............. 14........ 0.... +14.... 14 ........3.... -11..... +3
4 Providence ..................... 17......... 0.... +17.... 18........1 .....-17...... 0
5 Northeastern................... 10........ 2 .....+8..... 10....... 1...... -9..... -1
6 Boston College................ 13......... 0.....+13.... 19 .......1..... -18 .....-5
Vermont.......................... 13......... 3.... +10.... 15....... 0......-15..... -5
8 Maine............................ 11......... 5..... +6 .....16....... 0.... -16..... -10
Scoring By Periods ..........1st.......... 2nd....... 3rd...... OT...... Total
1 New Hampshire.................... 17............ 24.........24.........0 .........65
2 Providence......................... 18............ 19......... 21........ 1......... 59
3 Boston University.................. 14 ............24........ 16........ 0 .........54
4 Connecticut........................ 13............ 20........ 13.........0......... 46
5 Northeastern....................... 12............ 18........ 15........ 0......... 45
6 Boston College...................... 7.............14......... 19 ........1......... 41
7 Vermont.............................. 5............. 12......... 8 .........1 .........26
8 Maine................................. 9.............. 9.......... 6......... 0......... 24
Goals Allowed By Periods ..1st ..........2nd ........3rd ......OT ......Total
1 Connecticut......................... 9..............14.......... 10 .......0........ 33
2 Northeastern........................ 8............. 14...........11....... 1........ 34
3 Boston University................... 8............. 17.......... 15........1 ........41
New Hampshire...................... 13............ 14.......... 14........0........ 41
5 Providence.......................... 11............ 16.......... 17....... 0........ 44
6 Boston College..................... 15.............21.......... 17....... 1........ 54
7 Vermont............................. 18............ 19...........18........ 0....... 55
8 Maine................................ 13............. 25.......... 20....... 0....... 58
By the end of the regular season, cumulative stats can paint a picture that may otherwise be skewed by memorable snapshots, in this case, for UNH, being swept by Providence, or splitting with BC to end the season.
While UNH fans may have an overall sense of a relatively non-dominant season, the Wildcats have fared demonstably better than the pack in the majority of the categories above. They are middle of the pack in goals allowed, but have outscored opponents 65 - 41, while Northeastern, with whom we finished tied in points with, is very close to the top in the defensive categories, but have managed to score just 11 more goals than they allowed over 21 games, and would be in a very different place were it not for the shootout wins.
Providence has a better goal differential, but is in the bottom half of the league in goals allowed, largely, I would surmise to their worst in the league PK percentage.
I'm thinking that to prepare for the post season, UNH is shoring up the defense, Provi is working on their PK, and Northeastern, who have arguably the best goaltending tandem in the league if not further, is trying to figure out how to beat them
BU, unfortunately, has the hardest job, in just trying to speed up the collective healing process.
Okay, it's a new day, and after good night's sleep, I can conquer the columns
2009 - 2010 Conference Team Stats
Scoring Offense .........Games....... Goals .......G/GM
1 New Hampshire .................. 21........... 65.......... 3.10
2 Providence........................ .21............59...........2.81
3 Boston University................ 21........... 54.......... 2.57
4 Connecticut...................... 21........... 46 ..........2.19
5 Northeastern..................... 21........... 45.......... 2.14
6 Boston College................... 21........... 41.......... 1.95
7 Vermont........................... 21........... 26...........1.24
8 Maine.............................. 21............ 24.......... 1.14
Scoring Defense........Games........ Goals........ G/GM
1 Connecticut.................... 21............. 33........... 1.57
2 Northeastern................... 21............. 34........... 1.62
3 Boston University.............. 21..............41........... 1.95
New Hampshire.................. 21.............41 ............1.95
5 Providence...................... 21............ 44............ 2.10
6 Boston College................. 21............ 54............ 2.57
7 Vermont...........................21............. 55........... 2.62
8 Maine............................ 21............. 58............ 2.76
Penalty Minutes .......Games......... PIM........... PIM/G
1 Maine............................ 21.............265............ 12.6
2 Boston College................ 21.............255 ............12.1
3 Vermont..........................21............ 240............. 11.4
4 Providence ..................... 21.............235............ 11.2
5 Boston University............. 21............ 232.............11.0
6 Connecticut ................... 21........... .229 ............10.9
7 New Hampshire ............... 21............ 206 ..............9.8
8 Northeastern.................. 21 ............199 ..............9.5
Power Play ............Totals ..........SHA .............PP %
1 New Hampshire............ 21 / 89 ...........1.............. 23.6
2 Providence................ 17 / 100............0.............. 17.0
3 Boston University......... 14 / 92............ 0.............. 15.2
4 Connecticut............... 14 / 100 ..........0 ..............14.0
5 Boston College............ 13 / 102 ..........0.............. 12.7
6 Northeastern.............. 10 / 87............ 2.............. 11.5
7 Vermont .................... 13 / 116 ..........3............... 11.2
8 Maine ....................... 11 / 108 ...........5 ..............10.2
Penalty Kill ...........Totals............ SHF............. PK %
1 New Hampshire.......... 85 / 94............. 2................90.4
2 Northeastern............. 74 / 84............. 1............... 88.1
3 Connecticut.............. 85 / 97............. 3 ...............87.6
4 Boston University........ 87 / 101............3................ 86.1
5 Maine...................... 99 / 115 ............0................ 86.1
6 Vermont.................. 78 / 93.............. 0................ 83.9
7 Boston College.......... 93 / 112............ 1 ................83.0
8 Providence............... 80 / 98..............1................. 81.6
Special Teams Net..... PPF..... SHA.... PP.... PPA.... SHF.... SH.... NET
1 New Hampshire................ 21........ 1 ....+20 .....9 ........2...... -7.... +13
2 Connecticut .................... 14........ 0.... +14.... 12........ 3..... -9...... +5
3 Boston University.............. 14........ 0.... +14.... 14 ........3.... -11..... +3
4 Providence ..................... 17......... 0.... +17.... 18........1 .....-17...... 0
5 Northeastern................... 10........ 2 .....+8..... 10....... 1...... -9..... -1
6 Boston College................ 13......... 0.....+13.... 19 .......1..... -18 .....-5
Vermont.......................... 13......... 3.... +10.... 15....... 0......-15..... -5
8 Maine............................ 11......... 5..... +6 .....16....... 0.... -16..... -10
Scoring By Periods ..........1st.......... 2nd....... 3rd...... OT...... Total
1 New Hampshire.................... 17............ 24.........24.........0 .........65
2 Providence......................... 18............ 19......... 21........ 1......... 59
3 Boston University.................. 14 ............24........ 16........ 0 .........54
4 Connecticut........................ 13............ 20........ 13.........0......... 46
5 Northeastern....................... 12............ 18........ 15........ 0......... 45
6 Boston College...................... 7.............14......... 19 ........1......... 41
7 Vermont.............................. 5............. 12......... 8 .........1 .........26
8 Maine................................. 9.............. 9.......... 6......... 0......... 24
Goals Allowed By Periods ..1st ..........2nd ........3rd ......OT ......Total
1 Connecticut......................... 9..............14.......... 10 .......0........ 33
2 Northeastern........................ 8............. 14...........11....... 1........ 34
3 Boston University................... 8............. 17.......... 15........1 ........41
New Hampshire...................... 13............ 14.......... 14........0........ 41
5 Providence.......................... 11............ 16.......... 17....... 0........ 44
6 Boston College..................... 15.............21.......... 17....... 1........ 54
7 Vermont............................. 18............ 19...........18........ 0....... 55
8 Maine................................ 13............. 25.......... 20....... 0....... 58
By the end of the regular season, cumulative stats can paint a picture that may otherwise be skewed by memorable snapshots, in this case, for UNH, being swept by Providence, or splitting with BC to end the season.
While UNH fans may have an overall sense of a relatively non-dominant season, the Wildcats have fared demonstably better than the pack in the majority of the categories above. They are middle of the pack in goals allowed, but have outscored opponents 65 - 41, while Northeastern, with whom we finished tied in points with, is very close to the top in the defensive categories, but have managed to score just 11 more goals than they allowed over 21 games, and would be in a very different place were it not for the shootout wins.
Providence has a better goal differential, but is in the bottom half of the league in goals allowed, largely, I would surmise to their worst in the league PK percentage.
I'm thinking that to prepare for the post season, UNH is shoring up the defense, Provi is working on their PK, and Northeastern, who have arguably the best goaltending tandem in the league if not further, is trying to figure out how to beat them
BU, unfortunately, has the hardest job, in just trying to speed up the collective healing process.
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scrambledlegs
Registered User
Re: Hockey East Tourney Thread - 2010
And yet, the only stat that matters in the regular season play is:
.....................GP.....W.....L.....T.....SOW.....Pts.....GF.....GA
Providence .....21.....11.....5.....5.......3........30......59.....44
New Hampshire.21....13.....6.....2........0.......28.......65.....41
It may not always be pretty, but good teams do find a way to win. If nothing else, you have to give PC credit for scrapping it out to the end.
Okay, it's a new day, and after good night's sleep, I can conquer the columns
2009 - 2010 Conference Team Stats
Scoring Offense .........Games....... Goals .......G/GM
1 New Hampshire .................. 21........... 65.......... 3.10
2 Providence........................ .21............59...........2.81
3 Boston University................ 21........... 54.......... 2.57
4 Connecticut...................... 21........... 46 ..........2.19
5 Northeastern..................... 21........... 45.......... 2.14
6 Boston College................... 21........... 41.......... 1.95
7 Vermont........................... 21........... 26...........1.24
8 Maine.............................. 21............ 24.......... 1.14
Scoring Defense........Games........ Goals........ G/GM
1 Connecticut.................... 21............. 33........... 1.57
2 Northeastern................... 21............. 34........... 1.62
3 Boston University.............. 21..............41........... 1.95
New Hampshire.................. 21.............41 ............1.95
5 Providence...................... 21............ 44............ 2.10
6 Boston College................. 21............ 54............ 2.57
7 Vermont...........................21............. 55........... 2.62
8 Maine............................ 21............. 58............ 2.76
Penalty Minutes .......Games......... PIM........... PIM/G
1 Maine............................ 21.............265............ 12.6
2 Boston College................ 21.............255 ............12.1
3 Vermont..........................21............ 240............. 11.4
4 Providence ..................... 21.............235............ 11.2
5 Boston University............. 21............ 232.............11.0
6 Connecticut ................... 21........... .229 ............10.9
7 New Hampshire ............... 21............ 206 ..............9.8
8 Northeastern.................. 21 ............199 ..............9.5
Power Play ............Totals ..........SHA .............PP %
1 New Hampshire............ 21 / 89 ...........1.............. 23.6
2 Providence................ 17 / 100............0.............. 17.0
3 Boston University......... 14 / 92............ 0.............. 15.2
4 Connecticut............... 14 / 100 ..........0 ..............14.0
5 Boston College............ 13 / 102 ..........0.............. 12.7
6 Northeastern.............. 10 / 87............ 2.............. 11.5
7 Vermont .................... 13 / 116 ..........3............... 11.2
8 Maine ....................... 11 / 108 ...........5 ..............10.2
Penalty Kill ...........Totals............ SHF............. PK %
1 New Hampshire.......... 85 / 94............. 2................90.4
2 Northeastern............. 74 / 84............. 1............... 88.1
3 Connecticut.............. 85 / 97............. 3 ...............87.6
4 Boston University........ 87 / 101............3................ 86.1
5 Maine...................... 99 / 115 ............0................ 86.1
6 Vermont.................. 78 / 93.............. 0................ 83.9
7 Boston College.......... 93 / 112............ 1 ................83.0
8 Providence............... 80 / 98..............1................. 81.6
Special Teams Net..... PPF..... SHA.... PP.... PPA.... SHF.... SH.... NET
1 New Hampshire................ 21........ 1 ....+20 .....9 ........2...... -7.... +13
2 Connecticut .................... 14........ 0.... +14.... 12........ 3..... -9...... +5
3 Boston University.............. 14........ 0.... +14.... 14 ........3.... -11..... +3
4 Providence ..................... 17......... 0.... +17.... 18........1 .....-17...... 0
5 Northeastern................... 10........ 2 .....+8..... 10....... 1...... -9..... -1
6 Boston College................ 13......... 0.....+13.... 19 .......1..... -18 .....-5
Vermont.......................... 13......... 3.... +10.... 15....... 0......-15..... -5
8 Maine............................ 11......... 5..... +6 .....16....... 0.... -16..... -10
Scoring By Periods ..........1st.......... 2nd....... 3rd...... OT...... Total
1 New Hampshire.................... 17............ 24.........24.........0 .........65
2 Providence......................... 18............ 19......... 21........ 1......... 59
3 Boston University.................. 14 ............24........ 16........ 0 .........54
4 Connecticut........................ 13............ 20........ 13.........0......... 46
5 Northeastern....................... 12............ 18........ 15........ 0......... 45
6 Boston College...................... 7.............14......... 19 ........1......... 41
7 Vermont.............................. 5............. 12......... 8 .........1 .........26
8 Maine................................. 9.............. 9.......... 6......... 0......... 24
Goals Allowed By Periods ..1st ..........2nd ........3rd ......OT ......Total
1 Connecticut......................... 9..............14.......... 10 .......0........ 33
2 Northeastern........................ 8............. 14...........11....... 1........ 34
3 Boston University................... 8............. 17.......... 15........1 ........41
New Hampshire...................... 13............ 14.......... 14........0........ 41
5 Providence.......................... 11............ 16.......... 17....... 0........ 44
6 Boston College..................... 15.............21.......... 17....... 1........ 54
7 Vermont............................. 18............ 19...........18........ 0....... 55
8 Maine................................ 13............. 25.......... 20....... 0....... 58
By the end of the regular season, cumulative stats can paint a picture that may otherwise be skewed by memorable snapshots, in this case, for UNH, being swept by Providence, or splitting with BC to end the season.
And yet, the only stat that matters in the regular season play is:
.....................GP.....W.....L.....T.....SOW.....Pts.....GF.....GA
Providence .....21.....11.....5.....5.......3........30......59.....44
New Hampshire.21....13.....6.....2........0.......28.......65.....41
It may not always be pretty, but good teams do find a way to win. If nothing else, you have to give PC credit for scrapping it out to the end.
Re: Hockey East Tourney Thread - 2010
I would argue that THIS may be a stat above that, but that no stat compares to hoisting the big one over your head on March 21
USCHO.com Division I and II Women PairWiseSM Rankings (PWR)
Rk Team.................... PWR Rk W-L-T Win % Rk RPI
1 Mercyhurst... ............18 1 25-2-3 .8833 1 .6285*
2 Minnesota-Duluth .......17 3 24-8-2 .7353 2 .5791
3 Minnesota................. 16 4 22-7-5 .7206 3 .5774
4 Harvard.................... 15 5 18-6-5 .7069 4 .5674*
5 New Hampshire.......... 14 6 19-7-5 .6935 6 .5631
6 Clarkson................... 13 7t 20-9-5 .6618 7 .5547*
7 Connecticut.............. 12 7t 19-8-7 .6618 8 .5441*
8 Northeastern............ 10 10 17-8-7 .6406 10 .5410*
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/pwr_w.php#ixzz0gT1f9Pr2
I would argue that THIS may be a stat above that, but that no stat compares to hoisting the big one over your head on March 21
USCHO.com Division I and II Women PairWiseSM Rankings (PWR)
Rk Team.................... PWR Rk W-L-T Win % Rk RPI
1 Mercyhurst... ............18 1 25-2-3 .8833 1 .6285*
2 Minnesota-Duluth .......17 3 24-8-2 .7353 2 .5791
3 Minnesota................. 16 4 22-7-5 .7206 3 .5774
4 Harvard.................... 15 5 18-6-5 .7069 4 .5674*
5 New Hampshire.......... 14 6 19-7-5 .6935 6 .5631
6 Clarkson................... 13 7t 20-9-5 .6618 7 .5547*
7 Connecticut.............. 12 7t 19-8-7 .6618 8 .5441*
8 Northeastern............ 10 10 17-8-7 .6406 10 .5410*
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/pwr_w.php#ixzz0gT1f9Pr2
Re: Hockey East Tourney Thread - 2010
Obviously I hate the shootouts, but that was NOT the point I was making.
Completely irrelevant to the point I WAS making.
Again, you're missing the point.
You were making an observation about an apparent correlation between the regular season champ and the tourney champ.
I was pointing out that this year, the regular season champion resulted precisely because of the shootouts, which are NOT a reflection of the relative quality of each TEAM.
Or, stated more simply, PC may well be the best team in HEA this year, but it IS NOT because they won a few shootouts which gave them the regular season title.
Well, duh, you're still missing the point.
YOU were the one who made the observation about regular season champions being the tourney champions every year.
MY point was that if PC has any better shot at winning the tourney than the rest of the field, it is ONLY because of home ice and playing the lowest remaining seed in the semis. It is NOT because they were also regular season champ.
While it may be an interesting factoid that in the past the regular season champ was also the tourney champ, it has little relevance to THIS year, imo.
In the past, the regular season champ was clearly a notch above the competition. This year? Not so much. When you consider that along with the shootout effect on the standings, it's extremely hard to assume any correlation between the regular season champ and their chances to win the tourney.
While I know that you are just trying to make your point (I think it is that you don't like shootouts but I am not good at reading between the lines
Obviously I hate the shootouts, but that was NOT the point I was making.
Completely irrelevant to the point I WAS making.
Again, you're missing the point.
You were making an observation about an apparent correlation between the regular season champ and the tourney champ.
I was pointing out that this year, the regular season champion resulted precisely because of the shootouts, which are NOT a reflection of the relative quality of each TEAM.
Or, stated more simply, PC may well be the best team in HEA this year, but it IS NOT because they won a few shootouts which gave them the regular season title.
Well, duh, you're still missing the point.
YOU were the one who made the observation about regular season champions being the tourney champions every year.
MY point was that if PC has any better shot at winning the tourney than the rest of the field, it is ONLY because of home ice and playing the lowest remaining seed in the semis. It is NOT because they were also regular season champ.
While it may be an interesting factoid that in the past the regular season champ was also the tourney champ, it has little relevance to THIS year, imo.
In the past, the regular season champ was clearly a notch above the competition. This year? Not so much. When you consider that along with the shootout effect on the standings, it's extremely hard to assume any correlation between the regular season champ and their chances to win the tourney.
Re: Hockey East Tourney Thread - 2010
I give PC credit for sweeping UNH. After all, shootouts or not, if UNH had taken just one game from the Friars they would be regular season champs.
However, are you honestly arguing that shootouts are an indication that one TEAM had a better season than another?
THAT is why I have such an issue with shootouts. Two TEAMS played to a TIE for 65 minutes.
Then one team is given the equivalent of a legitimate WIN because an arbitrary, individual skills exhibition.
If the shootouts are to stay, I think the pt system needs to be reworked. Shootouts should NEVER be weighted the same as a legitimate win. For example, 3 pts for a win, 2 pts for a shootout win, and 1 pt for a shootout loss.
I give PC credit for sweeping UNH. After all, shootouts or not, if UNH had taken just one game from the Friars they would be regular season champs.
However, are you honestly arguing that shootouts are an indication that one TEAM had a better season than another?
THAT is why I have such an issue with shootouts. Two TEAMS played to a TIE for 65 minutes.
Then one team is given the equivalent of a legitimate WIN because an arbitrary, individual skills exhibition.
If the shootouts are to stay, I think the pt system needs to be reworked. Shootouts should NEVER be weighted the same as a legitimate win. For example, 3 pts for a win, 2 pts for a shootout win, and 1 pt for a shootout loss.
Sean Pickett
2009 NCAA Champions
Re: Hockey East Tourney Thread - 2010
Sean
If I did the math correctly that would have given both UNH and PC 41 points, with the Friars still getting the top seed.
Sean
scrambledlegs
Registered User
Re: Hockey East Tourney Thread - 2010
Speaking of missing the point, you need to go back a few posts... The whole reason that I even brought up the fact about Season champs being tournament champs was in response to UNHKazooMonkey's comment that I did quote in my original response.
I interpreted his/her quote to be that it would be extremely unlikely that the host team won the Hockey East Tournament. That is why I put in the stats of all the HE tourneys.
I was just trying to prove the inaccuracy of that statement since it was only last year that Hockey East went to the home ice for top seed, so yeah, there was only one host team that has every won the hockey east tournament. Prior to that, the host team was usually not the season champ.
I believe I ALSO said (twice) that the field is much tighter and that I don't expect an easy win, nor am I predicting a Providence win because of our home ice/lower seed/season champion designation.
Speaking of missing the point, you need to go back a few posts... The whole reason that I even brought up the fact about Season champs being tournament champs was in response to UNHKazooMonkey's comment that I did quote in my original response.
I interpreted his/her quote to be that it would be extremely unlikely that the host team won the Hockey East Tournament. That is why I put in the stats of all the HE tourneys.
I was just trying to prove the inaccuracy of that statement since it was only last year that Hockey East went to the home ice for top seed, so yeah, there was only one host team that has every won the hockey east tournament. Prior to that, the host team was usually not the season champ.
I believe I ALSO said (twice) that the field is much tighter and that I don't expect an easy win, nor am I predicting a Providence win because of our home ice/lower seed/season champion designation.