Hockey East 2010-2011: The Quickening

[C-H-C]

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You can only sign a NATIONAL LETTER OF INTENT if you are receiving athletic aid in your FRESHMAN/FIRST Year.

Could this be one of the answers to the question - "Why are some top recruits decommitting from one college and signing up with another in short order?" Let's say you are a top recruit as defined by someone already drafted by the NHL or a top prospect. You, and your "advisor," approach the college you have verbally committed to and say "Gee, I really do want to come play for your fans this fall but I really want some money my freshman year. After all, I don't plan on being here more than a year or two before going pro and I want the money up front." If the college hockey program is one of the "top" ones and replies "Well, you'll receive your scholarship money in your junior and senior year provided you have earned it by performing well in your freshman and sophomore years", wouldn't some recruits say "See you later. I'm going to Generic State University where they will pay me my freshman year."?

 

[Hokydad]

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If a top program offers a kid a 2/4, with both on the back end, no matter how he plays they will honor it

yes, kids can and do go back to programs and say I need more. If you dont ask they will probably not offer. Some/most will hold hard and stick o their guns. Some might say, go look around if you want, like the kid at PC did over the summer. He got more from Maine and went there.

 

[C-H-C]

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If a top program offers a kid a 2/4, with both on the back end, no matter how he plays they will honor it

yes, kids can and do go back to programs and say I need more. If you dont ask they will probably not offer. Some/most will hold hard and stick o their guns. Some might say, go look around if you want, like the kid at PC did over the summer. He got more from Maine and went there.

Makes sense.

 

[SteveF]

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stop the madness. this is like the ferrerio debates all over again.

i guess it depends on what the persons definition of a walk on is.. because we all know Ben Smith was recruited by BC. He committed pretty early (along with Matt price).. and to me, that makes him not a walk on. whether or not he received scholarship money in year 1 is irrelevant to that point - as we've already beat the dead horse that few BC players get 4 full years. i'm sure scholarship dollars were at the very least spoken about in his conversations before his commitment.

if we are talking walk ons, i'm thinking steve aponovicious for the football team literally coming out of the stands and making the team after they saw him goofing around and kicking field goals. the only true walk on for the hockey team that i can remember is Dan Sullivan; but i'm sure i am wrong.

Matt Gilroy and John Curry pop out as names we throw around as 'walk ons', as well. I dont know the specifics behind their path to BU either. But I'm assuming neither of them was offered any type of scholarship before they showed up on campus?

 

[acs64]

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bc posters and hokydad. Now there's a match made in heaven. Move on guys, this is just getting plain old. No one gives a rats arse about Ben Smith.

 

[sterlippo1]

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stop the madness. this is like the ferrerio debates all over again.

i guess it depends on what the persons definition of a walk on is.. because we all know Ben Smith was recruited by BC. He committed pretty early (along with Matt price).. and to me, that makes him not a walk on. whether or not he received scholarship money in year 1 is irrelevant to that point - as we've already beat the dead horse that few BC players get 4 full years. i'm sure scholarship dollars were at the very least spoken about in his conversations before his commitment.

if we are talking walk ons, i'm thinking steve aponovicious for the football team literally coming out of the stands and making the team after they saw him goofing around and kicking field goals. the only true walk on for the hockey team that i can remember is Dan Sullivan; but i'm sure i am wrong.

Matt Gilroy and John Curry pop out as names we throw around as 'walk ons', as well. I dont know the specifics behind their path to BU either. But I'm assuming neither of them was offered any type of scholarship before they showed up on campus?

and then JP took Gilroy's scholarship away didn't he?

 

[J.D.]

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but he simply walks on to prove BC wrong

This entire post was a poor attempt at a joke, but who insinuated that Ben Smith had no other collegiate options when he was being recruited? Seems to me you simply misunderstood (shocker) what Slasher said about not having any pro options after his sophomore year.

 

[sterlippo1]

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This entire post was a poor attempt at a joke, but who insinuated that Ben Smith had no other collegiate options when he was being recruited? Seems to me you simply misunderstood (shocker) what Slasher said about not having any pro options after his sophomore year.

i was trying to change the subject but this thing was/is in mid-season form

 

[mookie1995]

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an example of a walk on for BU over the past decade is matt radoslovich (05). he played in high school and was coming to BU. a phone call was made by i believe his hs football coach and he got in contact with jack and after some hem/haw, jack said, "well, ok. i guess i can take a look". generally speaking there is a difference between your run of the mill high school player and a d1 hockey player on a team that tries to skate with the bc's of the world. matt made an impression in the practices he was invited to come and participate in and ended up playing maybe a dozen games as a freshman. he got regular time his last three years and probably scored 10 times over his career. hard worker. roll player. true walk on.

curry was a recruited walk on. was not told he would play (as they had a couple goalies who were recruited and given $$$), but would be getting time with the team and could come and show what he had. as a fr he played late in one game for mop up time and to letter. sean fields sr season (what a disaster). next year the boys opened in ohio and got smoked by miami and michigan. siewic and fr dizzy gillespie stunk up the joint and jc got time and held his own that weekend. memorable quote from gara in the week of practice that followed. it looked as though jc was going to get the nod. jp asked gara if he thought jc was a #1 goalie. gara replied, "well, i don't know if he's a #1 goalie, but he's OUR #1 goalie." jc saved a season and heck, maybe a program. if we had two straight crappy season we could be providence-north. anyone's guess.

gilroy was kinda noticed and i recall hearing that maine had interest as well if he wanted to come up and start school. he preferred bu and parker told him, "i don't need any forwards. now if you were a defenseman at least you could practice.." matty told him, "i play defense!" -and oh yes, you did.

---- so again. coached talked to both jc and gilroy before things got were they ended up. rado was coming to bu through the application process whether or not his hs coach had his phone call picked up or not.

and then JP took Gilroy's scholarship away didn't he?

everyone thought matt was leaving. parker, when budgeting his 18 scholarship dollars for 08/09, didn't keep it on the back burner - he used it. then matt comes to him and says, "hey, i decided to stay."

um, ok... but i don't have any money left.

 

[sterlippo1]

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well, needless to say, if that's how it went down and i wouldn't doubt your post, the globe (yes, small case "g" ) did not have the whole story . i believe they had the big article on him winning the Hobey.........i bet dad had a few bucks ya, know, he is from The Island right? so he comes back, dad pays, and is the backbone on a NC winning team, quite a story in any event

 

[Hokydad]

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This entire post was a poor attempt at a joke, but who insinuated that Ben Smith had no other collegiate options when he was being recruited? Seems to me you simply misunderstood (shocker) what Slasher said about not having any pro options after his sophomore year.

"He really had zero options... "
"recruiting process that involved nearly a dozen schools"

"He had a 2/4, period."

I never said anyone did say that. My point was, of course he had many 4/4 options. No one would walk on to BC in hopes that someday they might get money when they had 4/4's from many other top academic and Hockey east schools.

You as usual misread/didnt understand it. Real shocker

 

[Hokydad]

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This entire post was a poor attempt at a joke, but who insinuated that Ben Smith had no other collegiate options when he was being recruited? Seems to me you simply misunderstood (shocker) what Slasher said about not having any pro options after his sophomore year.

Instead of spending time focussing on an ambiguous comment, why dont you stick to the fact that Nick and Slasher were proved 100% wrong as Smith did receive a scholarship and was not a walk on

Weird at best that you dont see that.

 

[Carmine Scarpaglia]

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Instead of spending time focussing on an ambiguous comment, why dont you stick to the fact that Nick and Slasher were proved 100% wrong as Smith did receive a scholarship and was not a walk on

So he came to BC as a walk-on at BC with no scholarship his freshman and sophomore season and then got a scholarship later on. Are these the "facts" and does everyone agree that these are factually correct?

 

[J.D.]

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"He really had zero options... "

You keep saying this, but I haven't seen it anywhere. Where is there a post where someone said Ben Smith really had zero options when he was being recruited?

You as usual misread/didnt understand it. Real shocker

LOL. I did nothing of the sort, but I do enjoy the old "I know you are, but what am I" argument...

Instead of spending time focussing on an ambiguous comment, why dont you stick to the fact that Nick and Slasher were proved 100% wrong as Smith did receive a scholarship and was not a walk on

Weird at best that you dont see that.

Why are you quoting the same post in two separate posts?

They can fight their own battles. I can fight mine. I don't have a problem with them.

 

[Federal League]

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So he came to BC as a walk-on at BC with no scholarship his freshman and sophomore season and then got a scholarship later on. Are these the "facts" and does everyone agree that these are factually correct?

Like SteveF pointed out above, it all depends on what you define as a walk-on. If you consider anyone who doesn't get a scholarship their freshman year a walk-on, then yes, he was a walk-on. If you think a walk-on is someone who wasn't recruited and wasn't guaranteed a spot on the team but made it through trying out, then no, he wasn't a walk-on. Personally, I would not consider him a walk-on.

According to yourdictionary.com (it's the only dictionary I could find that has a sports definition for walk-on), a walk-on in sports is "a player who tries out for a team without being recruited, drafted, on scholarship, etc." Given that definition, he was not a walk-on if he was recruited.

About.com, however, differentiates between a "walk-on" and a "recruited walk-on," with a recruited walk-on being "a player who is recruited for a given team, but not offered a scholarship." Given that definition, he was also not a recruited walk-on if he was offered any sort of scholarship.

Glad I could help/make things more confusing.

 

[Boston22]

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I'll tell you what. Sneep, Price, Lombardi and Smith are all going to be **** tough to replace. Luckily, I think Sneep can be replaced by a healthy cross both in terms of play (Cross probably better) and leadership. All the other defensemen have a year under their belt. MacLeod might not even crack the lineup with the surprise of Patch Alber.

Offense is another story. Good 4th liners have been staples of BC national title teams. BC usually struggled to replace these Lombardi/Price types. Even Stephen Gionta was a tough guy to replace. Go back to Lephart, Hennes, Greene, Gannon, Bertram, etc. BC blew goats after the last 3 left (Gerbe leaving and Smith/Ferriero injuries also helped them suck). Sounds like Arnold is a character kind of player can fill in that role for 1 of those guys while he gets his feet wet as a freshman. Wouldn't be totally shocked to see Alber up at forward to help fill that role as well if Macleod looks good on defense.

But... if there's one season in which BC can get away with it and having enough firepower, this is probably that type of year. It's been about a decade since they were this stacked going back to Farkas, Gionta, Bellefuille, Mottau, Orpik, Allen, Scuderi, Lephart, Kolanos in 2000 (or take out the seniors from that year and add Eaves, Forrest, and Kobasew in 2001).

I still think BC is going to fail to live up to expectations before March rolls around, give up that #1 target to NoDak, hide in the bushes and surprise all the morons that believe Team X is better than BC in the NCAAs because their PWR, seed, and rankings say so. BC loves the underdog role.

I agree with this. Let's not forget about Tony Voce and Brett Peterson in that freshman class of 2001.

On BC's national championship teams, they have always had great 4th line guys. Potential 4th line guys for this year's team are Almedia, Carey, Brown, Arnold and Alber.

I feel freshmen don't have to step in for seniors. Juniors have to step in for seniors; soph's for juniors, etc.

 

[Nick Papagiorgio]

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I agree with this. Let's not forget about Tony Voce and Brett Peterson in that freshman class of 2001.

On BC's national championship teams, they have always had great 4th line guys. Potential 4th line guys for this year's team are Almedia, Carey, Brown, Arnold and Alber.

I feel freshmen don't have to step in for seniors. Juniors have to step in for seniors; soph's for juniors, etc.

I'll give you Voce but Peterson... come on now.

Agreed about the guys you list to fill in as 4th liners. Almeida could be more. At the worst he's Matt Greene with more speed and offensive ability. He could blow up and turn into a high offensive threat on each shift, though. Especially with the right linemates if he gets moved up.

 

[Slasher7]

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I'll give you Voce but Peterson... come on now.

Agreed about the guys you list to fill in as 4th liners. Almeida could be more. At the worst he's Matt Greene with more speed and offensive ability. He could blow up and turn into a high offensive threat on each shift, though. Especially with the right linemates if he gets moved up.

Almeida would be a top two line forward on most teams in Hockey East. Putting him on the fourth line just isn't fair...

 

[Hokydad]

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So he came to BC as a walk-on at BC with no scholarship his freshman and sophomore season and then got a scholarship later on. Are these the "facts" and does everyone agree that these are factually correct?

I assume you are joking

he received a scholarship from day 1.

those are the facts

b

 

[Slasher7]

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I assume you are joking

he received a scholarship from day 1.

those are the facts

b

No, those are NOT the facts. Is it like your "fact" about the BC vs. PC academic thing? The FACT is Smith was a recruited walk-on who received a scholarship for his junior/senior seasons. Trust me when I tell you that you are 100% wrong about this.