Hey Massachusetts! Coakley or Brown?

[bronconick]

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Took 'em two days to certify Nikki Tsongas a couple of years ago (in time for a veto override on Bush). Some Republican lawyers are saying state law says that as of tonight, Paul Kirk has no legal vote in the Senate. THAT could get interesting, too.

That's the sort of thing that makes me think they'll just let this go. What's the point of shoveling through health care that you couldn't get in the last 14 months anyway if it will spend the next 15 years in court debating whether one of the Senators was even a Senator at the time.

 

[GOPHER FREAK]

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That's the sort of thing that makes me think they'll just let this go. What's the point of shoveling through health care that you couldn't get in the last 14 months anyway if it will spend the next 15 years in court debating whether one of the Senators was even a Senator at the time.

Jim Webb says no vote on health care until Brown is seated.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/...-sen-webb-no-hcr-votes-until-brown-seated.php

 

[St. Clown]

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I am not keen on the Dems, Marcia is a bimbo. I would feel less desperate if the GOP had anything to say about reform except how we should hate the dems for proposing it. I am sick to my eyeballs trying to care for folks who can't afford care, who are undertreated and who have no net. Wasn't keen on this plan but it was something. Now there will be a whole lot of nothing and I will continue to be embarrassed that my country is the worst at providing basic care and I will need to continue to spend countless hours trying to work a system that doesn't work with little result while people end up sicker even tho we have the ability to make them better. Depressing can't begin to describe it.

A few GOP senators tried to offer amendments and even complete bills of their own. They were voted down by the majority with little or no debate. That's when the whole body switched gears and just tried to shutdown the bill. Granted, most members of the GOP were trying to shutdown the bill from the start, but there were a few.

I liked the amendment, offered by - I want to say - one of the Arkansas senators, that required Congress to use the same insurance that they have offered to the public. That got killed on site by Baucus and Co.

 

[Old Pio]

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That's the sort of thing that makes me think they'll just let this go. What's the point of shoveling through health care that you couldn't get in the last 14 months anyway if it will spend the next 15 years in court debating whether one of the Senators was even a Senator at the time.

Plus think of the resentment many voters would feel. Lots of Blue Dogs would be in even more trouble in November. BTW, in case anybody's keeping score: President Obama is now 0 for 4: New Jersey, Virginia, Massachusetts and Copenhagen. Has there ever been a more precipitous decline in coattails of a president who just a few months ago was declared the avatar of a new day in American politics? I can't recall one,.

 

[mookie1995]

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I liked the amendment, offered by - I want to say - one of the Arkansas senators, that required Congress to use the same insurance that they have offered to the public. That got killed on site by Baucus and Co.

it's absolutely grandstanding blowhardness, but this seems like the A1 starting point for any 'reform'.

Plus think of the resentment many voters would feel. Lots of Blue Dogs would be in even more trouble in November. BTW, in case anybody's keeping score: President Obama is now 0 for 4: New Jersey, Virginia, Massachusetts and Copenhagen. Has there ever been a more precipitous decline in coattails of a president who just a few months ago was declared the avatar of a new day in American politics? I can't recall one,.

yet he has high likability ratings?!?!?

 

[Zudnic]

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Plus think of the resentment many voters would feel. Lots of Blue Dogs would be in even more trouble in November. BTW, in case anybody's keeping score: President Obama is now 0 for 4: New Jersey, Virginia, Massachusetts and Copenhagen. Has there ever been a more precipitous decline in coattails of a president who just a few months ago was declared the avatar of a new day in American politics? I can't recall one,.

Copenhagen twice - Olympics and climate change.

 

[Old Pio]

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Copenhagen twice - Olympics and climate change.

I wasn't counting climate change. Danny Glover was.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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I can't believe I'm going to weigh in on this subject on USCHO... We can't even talk college hockey rationally on this website...

*Here goes*

This is not about the lady who ran (given she ran a terrible campaign from what I understand). Even a bad campaign can be overcome if the voters don't agree with the opponent. A 7% victory is much larger than that for a seat that hasn't been held by a repub for 60+ years. This is one of the most liberal states in the union and they voted on the issues. Unless she kicked babies and drowned puppies a 25% swing in under two weeks is pretty incredible.

Balance is healthy.

 

[thebrain]

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Harry Reid says Brown will be seated "when the Senate gets the proper paperwork". that's like, when?, never?

When Al Franken got the Minnesota seat, they needed a form signed by the governor. Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty refused to sign it until the results were certified. It was signed June 30, Franken was seated July 7th but you had the 4th of July holiday in there.

 

[joecct]

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The GOP can do quite well in 2010 and 2012 if they stay on message -- define the differences between the Dems and GOP, offer ideas that appeal to the majority of electorate, hammer those issues, and once in office, deliver those issues, and for Pete's sake, learn from the lessons the last time they controlled the Congress.

Will they? They need party discipline and a leader that keeps everyone on message.

 

[Plante26]

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When Al Franken got the Minnesota seat, they needed a form signed by the governor. Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty refused to sign it until the results were certified. It was signed June 30, Franken was seated July 7th but you had the 4th of July holiday in there.

.....due to a legal challenge in a race that was decided by a few hundred votes. This race isn't even in the same realm as close.

 

[thebrain]

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.....due to a legal challenge in a race that was decided by a few hundred votes. This race isn't even in the same realm as close.

It's not about the race, it's about when he was seated.

 

[Patman]

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That's all.

 

[Jon]

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i think duval is looking out....wondering what kind of job he can get at Justice next week.

This is as much Patrick's fault as it is Coakley. He's the George W Bush of governors.

At least I never have to hear from either one of these clowns again.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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.....due to a legal challenge in a race that was decided by a few hundred votes. This race isn't even in the same realm as close.

Agreed. Not only was it a few hundred votes, but there was precincts were there were more votes than voters. There was legitimate legal arguments about equal protection under the law, uniform balloting rules, etc. There were definitely constitutional arguments that could/should have been made (regardless of who won). This is all in addition to the fact that coleman was initially declared the winner and franken was declared the winner later (only after a recount where ballots were being found all over the place after the fact).

 

[Wol4ine]

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I am not keen on the Dems, Marcia is a bimbo. I would feel less desperate if the GOP had anything to say about reform except how we should hate the dems for proposing it. I am sick to my eyeballs trying to care for folks who can't afford care, who are undertreated and who have no net. Wasn't keen on this plan but it was something. Now there will be a whole lot of nothing and I will continue to be embarrassed that my country is the worst at providing basic care and I will need to continue to spend countless hours trying to work a system that doesn't work with little result while people end up sicker even tho we have the ability to make them better. Depressing can't begin to describe it.

I am going to work at walmart because working in healthcare absolutely sux and the only thing that was keeping me slightly sane was the thought that someone might hamstring the insurance companies. Now they are partying thier azzes off because this was the biggest victory they have ever had and my poor patients are just screwed worse than ever.

This is why I hate ObamaCare. You mention some people can't afford health care, but then you say you wish someone would hamstring the insurance co's. Do insurance co's set the cost of health care?

 

[mookie1995]

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This is as much Patrick's fault as it is Coakley. He's the George W Bush of governors.

At least I never have to hear from either one of these clowns again.

hard to do... but you have just insulted W.

 

[Old Pio]

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.....due to a legal challenge in a race that was decided by a few hundred votes. This race isn't even in the same realm as close.

Usually old fashioned absentee ballots aren't even counted, unless they could determine the outcome. In this election, Brown's leading by over 200K votes, and there aren't nearly that many absentee ballots uncounted. And it's highly unlikely they'd all be for Marcia anyway. Brown won. clearly. unambiguously. And as of tonight no one but Scott Brown and John Kerry should cast ballots in the senate for that state. Certainly not an unelected guy.

 

[Patman]

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Copenhagen twice - Olympics and climate change.

the problem is the Obama team bought their own hype... I don't think they realized that the American people were running an anti-Bush wave. The people wanted something they didn't believe Bush to be... that doesn't sanction Obama nor his hardline beliefs and weasel tactics.

Either that or they didn't buy their own hype but figured they would push it hard as they could to get their agenda though... but i don't think they realized that it doesn't work so much when decisions are made and those around you don't glitter with the same gold.

People didn't want Bush, they didn't want Obama. They want somebody who can successfully tack the nation for the nation's benefit. They want somebody who can move smoothly and confidently. That's not Obama.

 

[Jon]

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hard to do... but you have just insulted W.

There are so many problems with MA that electing pointless Republicans every once in a while isn't solving anything. Both parties need to be annihilated and replaced with individuals who aren't more interested in their criminal business friends, lobbyists, random internet nutjobs (present company excepted), fetuses, insane religious freaks or smelly hippies to care about the actual people in this country.

W didn't care, McCain didn't care, kerry doesn't care, Coakley doesn't care, Brown doesn't care, and I"m 99.9% sure Obama doesn't either. **** politicians.